Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

[Papelbon's Poutine]

I hate these guys, but I actually just tuned in to see the circus and watching Mazz go after BB, I'd have to assume that no, I don't think his driveway goes all the way to the road. He's flat out stating that BB was behind this in some kind of intentional attempt to break rules. Not to gain an advantage mind you, just to break rules. There's trolling and then there is lunacy.

 

[Corsi]

Serious question...is Mazz playing w a full deck?

 

 

[Vinho Tinto]

God help anyone who is within a football field of Mike from Attleboro. His only volume is megaphone. 

 

[Corsi]

This is Info Wars radio.  These guys are delusional.

 

[Corsi]

These idiots still think Belichick is guilty.  Amazing.

 

[chonce1]

This is probably a new low for the show. They spend a week saying the NFLPA will never let those records be unsealed, may implicate BB, Brady etc... The NFLPA releases it with expediency, is makes the NFL look horrendous and doesn't, in any way implicate the Patriots -- hell, even the national media is now seeing this screen from the pixels. And they use this as an opportunity to talk about their "gut feelings' that BB masterminded some scheme. The Infowars of sports radio indeed. I last half a segment.

 

[TheRealness]

You are all masochists. 

 

[allstonite]

I decided to tune in for a little because I saw Hurley would be on and I enjoy his writing and thought/hoped he might be a good foil. Wow they are completely beyond trolling at this point. I mean I guess it's working for them but I won't be going back again.
 
Caller: Tony, you really think the NFL, NFLPA, Brady, Wells, Goodell, etc found all this and for some reason decided to shield Belichick?
Mazz: You know when you lay it all out like that, um, well it sounds far fetched....but I mean he HAS TO KNOW!

 

[Corsi]

Felger carrying the "the NFL was protecting Belichick" torch on Sports Tonight.  What the hell?  I'm beginning to think these guys are mentally ill.

 

[MillarTime]

Just saw that too. Mazz also wrote an article on CBS to that effect. Well beyond trolling at this point...I actually think they've convinced themselves that they are right.

Edit: wrong forum, but Volin is absolutely detestable as well. He was carrying Felger's water, spewing the BB theory as well.

 

[MillarTime]

You can already see where the narrative is headed if Brady wins in court. "The patriots clearly cheated, but the NFL screwed up and tried to pin a flimsy case on Brady in order to protect Belichick so that they wouldn't have to suspend the greatest coach ever for a year."

 

[Phenom]

Massarotti is so far out there in looney tune land, that Felger now plays the straight man on that show. Think of that.
 
 
 
 
 

 

[NortheasternPJ]

Oh god, today we get Felger & Jones. There's going to be hot takez flying all over the place.

 

[Scoots McBoots]

Jones is about as useful as Tanguay. Can somebody please bring DA back already?

 

[TheRealness]

I was on my way back from Court and was listening to Beetle and Zo (Flynn filling in for Beetle) and they had the cross-over with Jones. Zo was asking him what the listeners could expect on "anti-patriot radio" and Jones, shit you not, said "We're planning on getting into the emails from Brady. The whole Brady/Manning thing and how Brady comes across in the emails". 
 
They might as well be ESPN. It's comical at this point.

 

[SidelineCameras]

They're going to dissect his emails, yet claim that he would only refuse to turn over his phone if he had something to hide.
 
They're going to dissect his emails, and yet we'll have to hear once again this season that the coach is a jerk for not giving anything to the media.

 

[chonce1]

Jim Murray has been a disappointment. I know this isn't a novel take, but I feel compelled to say it. He seems like a cool guy, but he is (understandably, to a point) too deferential to Felger. Felger dominates the discussion so much and it seems like Murray want to show his ability to not be a total homer. Which is fine, except the show benefits greatly when it there is some decent, persuasive dissent from the Felger and Mazz point of view. See everyone loving Marshall Hook. You would think the show would encourage some debate -- sports radio has been manufacturing disagreements for year. But on this show, on most days, everyone agrees on the primary points and there is occasional disagreement over trivial information (ie, Felger calls the disclosure of the testimony a win, Mazz says it is 'not a loss.).

 

 

[HomeBrew1901]

Jim Murray has been a disappointment. I know this isn't a novel take, but I feel compelled to say it. He seems like a cool guy, but he is (understandably, to a point) too deferential to Felger. Felger dominates the discussion so much and it seems like Murray want to show his ability to not be a total homer. Which is fine, except the show benefits greatly when it there is some decent, persuasive dissent from the Felger and Mazz point of view. See everyone loving Marshall Hook. You would think the show would encourage some debate -- sports radio has been manufacturing disagreements for year. But on this show, on most days, everyone agrees on the primary points and there is occasional disagreement over trivial information (ie, Felger calls the disclosure of the testimony a win, Mazz says it is 'not a loss.).

 

I think this all comes down to Felger.  I think he truly believes that the Patriots and Brady are in the wrong here and he's going to argue that point to death, Mazz has found it's easier to ride Mike's coat tails and let him to all the heavy lifting, and like Bertrand before him, Murray doesn't have it in him to fight it. 
 
Hook is just a different bird altogether where he just doesn't give a shit who Felger is or what he thinks, he's going to argue what he believes.
 
I've been a big defender of this show but they've lost me for awhile.  I'll go back eventually because I do enjoy it when they aren't going on and on and on and on about deflategate, but I'm taking a break.

 

[soxfan121]

I think this all comes down to Felger.  I think he truly believes that the Patriots and Brady are in the wrong here and he's going to argue that point to death, 

 
 
Felger changed his opinion after reading the transcript and for the past several days has stated, multiple times every hour, that he no longer thinks that. 
 
So, it turns out listening to the show allows one to have an informed opinion on the show. What a concept.

 

[HomeBrew1901]

 
 
Felger changed his opinion after reading the transcript and for the past several days has stated, multiple times every hour, that he no longer thinks that. 
 
So, it turns out listening to the show allows one to have an informed opinion on the show. What a concept.

I appreciate you picking apart one piece of what I said and jumping on that part instead of considering my post as a whole over one of the big issues the show has.

 

[southshoresoxfan]

To be fair thats what he does best.

 

[soxfan121]

I appreciate you picking apart one piece of what I said and jumping on that part instead of considering my post as a whole over one of the big issues the show has.

You don't listen to the show, yet you know what arguments are being made. Thanks for contributing.

 

[HomeBrew1901]

You don't listen to the show, yet you know what arguments are being made. Thanks for contributing.

Funny, I take a few days off from listening to the show after listening for 5 years and you pull this sanctimonious bullshit?
 
All I'm saying is you don't have to be a fucking prick, which again is something I know you enjoy, you simply could have said "Actually Felger has changed his opinion since the transcripts came out."  Instead you post
 

 
 
Felger changed his opinion after reading the transcript and for the past several days has stated, multiple times every hour, that he no longer thinks that. 
 
So, it turns out listening to the show allows one to have an informed opinion on the show. What a concept.

 
Go fuck yourself

 

[soxfan121]

Funny, I take a few days off from listening to the show after listening for 5 years and you pull this sanctimonious bullshit?
 
All I'm saying is you don't have to be a fucking prick, which again is something I know you enjoy, you simply could have said "Actually Felger has changed his opinion since the transcripts came out."  Instead you post
 
 
Go fuck yourself

 
"A few days" is contradicted by your posts in this thread. You've been stating for months that you don't listen. 
 
So when you post inaccurate, wrong information, it needs to be corrected. 

Have a wonderful day on Facebook, listening to your IPod and all the other stuff you've stated in this thread you do to not listen to the show.

 

[HomeBrew1901]

 
"A few days" is contradicted by your posts in this thread. You've been stating for months that you don't listen. 
 
 

Wrong guy fuckstick, go back a few pages.

 

[Marbleheader]

Take it to PM guys.

 

[Dummy Hoy]

Or use the ignore function.

 

[richgedman'sghost]

Homebrew Why don't you give Dale and Holly another shot? I realize I think I asked you this question before, but you seem really annoyed by Felger and Mazz. I believe you said and correct me if I'm wrong that you think Dale is boring and bland. Well I'd rather have fair and accurate than a pre determined antagonistic attitude towards anything Boston. Anyway i appreciate any feedback you can give me. Please don't treat me like Sox fan 121 and tell me to go screw myself. I am being respectful here.

 

[richgedman'sghost]

I would love to get the PPV rights to a Homebrew Sox Fan 121 boxing match. I bet I'd be better than the next Mayweather fight. LMAO

 

[chonce1]

Soxfan121,


When did Felger change his mind of the guilt/complicity of Brady/the Patriots. As far as I can tell, he feels the same way as always. He did say the transcript release was a PR "win for Brady," but didn't change his mind on his alleged complicity. Where are you seeing that he "changed his mind." Maybe I missed something?


 

 

[Granite Sox]

Felger hasn't changed his mind, he just continues to move the goal posts around.
 
His core message: The Patriots did it, Brady orchestrated it, and Belichick knew about it.  "It's common sense." (That's the trap door that every caller falls into.)
 
He's also willing to concede that the NFL league office is staffed with despicable characters, but in his opinion that's tangential to the Patriots' skullduggery.
 
He's having it both ways and loving it.

 

[southshoresoxfan]

I mean...do they (or anyone) REALLY think the pats would run around deflating balls w such a small risk/reward ratio? Little common sense and we wouldnt be talking about this freaking nonsense. It drives me nuts to hear all the media guys on the "what Brady did" train still.

What brady did was print out the rules and give them to the refs after the refs illegally inflated the balls over the 13.5 limit. Integrity tho right guys?

 

[tims4wins]

I mean...do they (or anyone) REALLY think the pats would run around deflating balls w such a small risk/reward ratio? Little common sense and we wouldnt be talking about this freaking nonsense. It drives me nuts to hear all the media guys on the "what Brady did" train still.

What brady did was print out the rules and give them to the refs after the refs illegally inflated the balls over the 13.5 limit. Integrity tho right guys?

 
I would argue that - if they did deflate balls - they didn't think there was any risk at all given how lax the NFL has been concerning inflation levels, and ball security (maybe a $25K fine, max). I doubt in their wildest dreams they thought they would be losing multiple draft picks and their QB for a quarter of a season. Obviously if they knew that was the potential risk they'd be insane to do it.

 

[southshoresoxfan]

 
I would argue that - if they did deflate balls - they didn't think there was any risk at all given how lax the NFL has been concerning inflation levels, and ball security (maybe a $25K fine, max). I doubt in their wildest dreams they thought they would be losing multiple draft picks and their QB for a quarter of a season. Obviously if they knew that was the potential risk they'd be insane to do it.

Another reason the suspension is BS. Its like getting 25 years for a misdemenor because the judge felt like it. Then he heard your appeal himself.

 

[The Napkin]

I mean...do they (or anyone) REALLY think the pats would run around deflating balls w such a small risk/reward ratio? Little common sense and we wouldnt be talking about this freaking nonsense. It drives me nuts to hear all the media guys on the "what Brady did" train still.

What brady did was print out the rules and give them to the refs after the refs illegally inflated the balls over the 13.5 limit. Integrity tho right guys?

I mean...do they (or anyone) REALLY think the pats would run around taping signals from the sidelines instead of the stands after being warned about it w such a small risk/reward ratio? Little common sense and we wouldnt be talking about this freaking nonsense.
 
/devil's advocate

 

[southshoresoxfan]

I mean...do they (or anyone) REALLY think the pats would run around taping signals from the sidelines instead of the stands after being warned about it w such a small risk/reward ratio? Little common sense and we wouldnt be talking about this freaking nonsense.
 
/devil's advocate

Of which was not a legally negotiated addition to the cba, which is why BB thumbed his nose at it. Surprised that penalty held to be honest. If the NFLPA was involved it likely wouldnt have.

If NFLPA allowed this precedent to stand wed basically be in Nazi Germany. You did it because we said you did. Heres your punishment. Want to appeal? Ok Ill hear that too.

 

[soxfan121]

The issue isn't whether they believe it. The issue is whether waving the pom poms gets better rating than throwing shade. Chad Finn can answer that one.

Chonce, it was Thursdays show.

 

[Kramerica Industries]

This show is an absolute joke without Felger.
 
Ortiz only started to hit after the Sox were in last.  Most clutch hitter in baseball history but "he didn't show up when the sox had a chance"
 
Murray needs to go. Stewart needs to be not heard from ever. 

 

[southshoresoxfan]

They tweeted a pic and ripped on the overweight bat boy. Thats crossing a huge line IMO. Even when i dont listen i have to deal w their nonsense.

 

[chonce1]

Soxfan121,

Felger did not change his mind. I am watching today he still thinks Brady is guilty.  Hasn't changed his opinion.

 

 

[chonce1]

Mazz is arguing that since Wells said Pash "only" made a few edits and "didn't have a huge influence" on the report, that we should trust him. After all, we trust Brady under oath, and Wells is under oath.

The problems here are 1) Wells claimed attorney/client priveledge on several relevant questions about Pash's role and 2) by admitting Pash edited it, he is proving the lack of independence, not denying it.

I don't mind that they have stupid opinions or have the wrong answers.. I hate that they don't understand the questions (or at least speak as if they don't understand the questions.)

 

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

Soxfan121,

Felger did not change his mind. I am watching today he still thinks Brady is guilty.  Hasn't changed his opinion.

 
Correct. 
 
Last week Felger merely said the NFL case isn't as strong as he initially thought.  He believed they had another card up their sleeve (something that implicates Belichick or cooperation from another party that directly indicts Brady) but he came on the air and said he was wrong.  He still thinks the footballs were deflated and he still believes Brady was in on it.  

 

[tims4wins]

Did Felger have a take on today's reports? Genuinely curious.

 

[Granite Sox]

His take:

Berman's line of questioning suggested to Felger that the NFL made an "A-hole" settlement offer. "That was an A-hole move by the NFL." Couldn't fathom why the NFL made its settlement offer contingent upon the Wells Report... A ruling on process shouldn't have anything to do with Brady accepting the findings from the WR and the NFL stepped in it.

He thought it was interesting that Kessler "admitted" that NeedleDee and NeedleDum did something (he was corrected on this).

Still thinks "common sense" says the balls were intentionally deflated and that Brady led the effort, but feels like the NFL made a tactical misstep with a (seemingly) ridiculous settlement offer.

 

[Leather]

Kessler didn't admit anything. He was responding to a hypo from the judge. And he said at another point that the NFLPA's belief was that no tampering occurred.

 

[riboflav]

His take:

Berman's line of questioning suggested to Felger that the NFL made an "A-hole" settlement offer. "That was an A-hole move by the NFL." Couldn't fathom why the NFL made its settlement offer contingent upon the Wells Report... A ruling on process shouldn't have anything to do with Brady accepting the findings from the WR and the NFL stepped in it.

He thought it was interesting that Kessler "admitted" that NeedleDee and NeedleDum did something (he was corrected on this).

Still thinks "common sense" says the balls were intentionally deflated and that Brady led the effort, but feels like the NFL made a tactical misstep with a (seemingly) ridiculous settlement offer.

 
Christ. Nothing Felger has ever said on this subject has been supported by any evidence whatsoever. It doesn't matter if he's criticizing Brady OR the NFL.

 

[Granite Sox]

Kessler didn't admit anything. He was responding to a hypo from the judge. And he said at another point that the NFLPA's belief was that no tampering occurred.

 
I agree.
 
Felger made this comment as he was transitioning from hammering the NFL to starting in on the Brady defense.  It was clear Felger wasn't going to fully cooperate with the national narrative that Berman was a little tougher with his questioning on the NFL than he was on Team Brady, irrespective of the various interpretations of whether grilling one side or the other had significant meaning.
 
Thus he opened the trolling trap door by saying the Kessler admission was the first time anyone from the Patriots' side admitted there was deliberate tampering.  I was listening via podcast; I thought Felger's tone just oozed insincerity.

 

[chonce1]

Felger also maintains he thinks the NFL still has "more evidence" on them they haven't released and continue to think the NFL/Pats/NFLPA are part of a conspiracy to spare BB culpability. Total joke. Started listening more to WEEI, but I do like to see how Felger spins news days like yesterday.

 

[Bleedred]

Felger also maintains he thinks the NFL still has "more evidence" on them they haven't released and continue to think the NFL/Pats/NFLPA are part of a conspiracy to spare BB culpability. Total joke. Started listening more to WEEI, but I do like to see how Felger spins news days like yesterday.

I've stopped listening to these guys until DG blows over because they have lost any credibility they ever had on the issue.   I'm trying to understand why on God's green earth they think the NFL would hold back any incriminating evidence against Bellichick?   Are they stuck with this foolishness because they brought it up and talked about it, and now feel like they have to double down rather than walk it back?  It's almost a mirror to Goodell, who should have walked back the penalty once he realized that his NFL people didn't understand what effect science, cold weather and water has on the inflation of a football.   Seriously, what could possibly be the logic behind the NFL not hammering Bellichick if they had him dead to rights?  It's so loopy I cannot get my head around it.

 

[HomeBrew1901]

Got back from vacation and turned on the show yesterday and enjoyed if for the first time in a while.
 
Felger did speak about Deflategate but he was much more reasoned about what's going on with the proceedings.  He was playing it down the middle and brought up some good points about Berman and how things might go tomorrow.  Much better than he was a few weeks ago when it seemed he was just stirring up shit to play the heel card.