Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time
- Thread starter HomeBrew1901
- Start date
He would have killed Hayward if he had to have the procedure mid-season.
What do you expect from the guys that wanted to trade Brown and Tatum for Porzingis?
What do you expect from the guys that wanted to trade Brown and Tatum for Porzingis?
Quite right. His ability to find fault in the best of times is without peer. And he does it in a manner that presumes that he knows much more about baseball than the folks who have produced this winner. He's unlistenable. As is, by the way, Adam Jones, whom I liked a few years back. He can't be satisfied or pleased with any success -- it always has to be better than it is. Fellowship of the miserable indeed.
I enjoyed Mazz's ranting about how if you think the Sox won the series against Houston because they went on the road and the series ended 2-2, you've got it all wrong. Not saying they lost it. But they didn't win it or anything. SO SETTLE DOWN!
I think I know how ties work, dumbass.
I think I know how ties work, dumbass.
I was debating whether to write this, but for the last two days I've found myself in the car doing some errands from 6:00 - 7:00 and I've had a chance to listen to the Baseball Show with Mazz. On Monday night, he wasn't happy with the Red Sox because "they only took two of four from the Astros" and "what does that show"? He then proceeded to say that the Red Sox aren't really a good team and that he's still not convinced and that blah, blah, blah. Basically finding the dark cloud around every silver lining.
Here's the thing that he's missing, yes, the Red Sox lost two of four to the Astros, BUT the Astros lost two of four to the Red Sox. At home. Without the Red Sox' best player. And they pitched two of their studs. And the first Red Sox loss was by a run, the second loss was a game that got away from them in the eighth. It wasn't like the Sox came in and shit the bed. And I may be an optimistic Red Sox fan, but I'm not an apologist. For an early June series against one of the best teams in the league, at their park, the Red Sox did fine.
Last night, Mazz was crying about the farm system. Mazz was citing Baseball America that the Red Sox don't have a lot of talent in the minor league system and that they're screwed in three years (because every player that can be a free agent will leave -- no questions asked). He was incredibly upset that Dombrowski gutted the farm system, his exact words, "for what"? And now the Sox are in "a lot of trouble" because "this team isn't a World Series contender". He also said that before DD got here, the Red Sox system was ranked fifth in 2014 and now it's 24.
Mazz' point overall is technically correct. The Red Sox farm system is a bit of a mess but let's unpack some shit:
You can't win with this guy, which I guess is the entire point of sports radio.
Here's the thing that he's missing, yes, the Red Sox lost two of four to the Astros, BUT the Astros lost two of four to the Red Sox. At home. Without the Red Sox' best player. And they pitched two of their studs. And the first Red Sox loss was by a run, the second loss was a game that got away from them in the eighth. It wasn't like the Sox came in and shit the bed. And I may be an optimistic Red Sox fan, but I'm not an apologist. For an early June series against one of the best teams in the league, at their park, the Red Sox did fine.
Last night, Mazz was crying about the farm system. Mazz was citing Baseball America that the Red Sox don't have a lot of talent in the minor league system and that they're screwed in three years (because every player that can be a free agent will leave -- no questions asked). He was incredibly upset that Dombrowski gutted the farm system, his exact words, "for what"? And now the Sox are in "a lot of trouble" because "this team isn't a World Series contender". He also said that before DD got here, the Red Sox system was ranked fifth in 2014 and now it's 24.
Mazz' point overall is technically correct. The Red Sox farm system is a bit of a mess but let's unpack some shit:
- If you've listened to Tony Massarotti at all on his show with Felger, he is fond of saying that the Red Sox spent too long keeping their prospects and they need to trade them for established major league players. He was happy to point out that he didn't care what the Sox rank in Baseball America was "those guys are nerds" and that you can't have five prospects play the outfield. The last point, he's right about. You can't have a starting outfield of Benintendi, Betts and Bradley and Manuel Margot. One of these guys has to leave, Dombrowski's job is to figure out which is the worst of the four and trade him for something good. Otherwise prospects quickly become suspects.
- The Sox got "nothing" for the pillaging of their farm system. The Red Sox received Chris Sale, Craig Kimbrel and Drew Pomeranz for the prospects that were shipped out. The trades of Sale and Kimbrel are probably A's, the Pomeranz deal is probably a B/B- depending on what you think of Espinoza and how you feel about Pomeranz. The Shaw (plus prospects) trade for Thronburg is probably DD's worst deal and I'd say that's more because Shaw has unexpectedly turned into a stud rather than the development of the prospects that went to Milwaukee.
- The Sox had a higher ranking in BA in 2014 than right now. No shit they did. That's also because Betts, Benintendi, Devers, Swihart, Vazquez, Margot, Rusty Castillo, Kopach, Moncada, Espinoza, etc were part of their farm system. Most all of them are in the major leagues and are contributing to the Sox (aside from Castillo) and other teams' successes. If they aren't in the minor leagues any more, but they're contributing to the big club, that's the fucking point. So yeah, you're right; your farm system ranking suffer a bit but your major league team has 43 wins by June 7. I think that's a trade off most of us would take in a heartbeat.
You can't win with this guy, which I guess is the entire point of sports radio.
My patience is pretty much non-existent with this show now and I find myself turning it off after 5 or 10 minutes rather than listening to it for my entire commute.
It's the same narrative over and over again with a useless Jim Murray that brings absolutely nothing to the show and is basically playing the stereotype of the miserable Boston Sports Fan from back in pre 2001 when all the teams did was suck (mid 80's Celtics being the exception).
The Lebron conversation was decent yesterday and I enjoyed their different takes. Why? They sounded like legitimate beliefs and weren't forced, I can see why Felger thinks Lebron has changed and would be a good fit for the Celtics for the same reason I can see why Mazz wouldn't want him.
Other than that... Yawn. The Sox aren't that great and the Patriots could implode, which both might ultimately prove to be true but there's no need to hammer it into our heads every single day.
It's the same narrative over and over again with a useless Jim Murray that brings absolutely nothing to the show and is basically playing the stereotype of the miserable Boston Sports Fan from back in pre 2001 when all the teams did was suck (mid 80's Celtics being the exception).
The Lebron conversation was decent yesterday and I enjoyed their different takes. Why? They sounded like legitimate beliefs and weren't forced, I can see why Felger thinks Lebron has changed and would be a good fit for the Celtics for the same reason I can see why Mazz wouldn't want him.
Other than that... Yawn. The Sox aren't that great and the Patriots could implode, which both might ultimately prove to be true but there's no need to hammer it into our heads every single day.
Yes, there are certain things they actually seem to believe...but they are just wrong. Felger was adamant that he was right that Curry is overrated, Durant shrinks in the big games and that Klay Thompson is actually the best player on the team.
When challenged, 3 point FG % was brought up and how Curry is 4th (or 5th) all-time it was pooh-poohed away because 1-4 weren't the best players (Hodges, Kerr, etc). No one challenged him on this or thought about how the game was different today, the volume that Curry shoots it at, etc. It is just incredibly lazy radio.
He pre-emptively shot down this argument on Monday. (perhaps during Felger and Mazz and not during the baseball reporters)
His answer to that?
The series wasn't nearly as important to Houston as it was to Boston so it doesn't matter that they lost 2 of 4, because they weren't taking a June series against Boston seriously. Yes, somehow that reflects positively on Houston, in Mazz's head at least
He's such a dipshit. The Astros had their four best pitchers going in the series, I'm quite sure that they were taking it "seriously" enough. They had McCullers, Cole, Verlander and Morton going Thursday through Sunday, so Mazz doesn't have a leg to stand on that the Astros were punting this series away for some reason. And aside from their starters, I think that pretty much every healthy Astro, who is a starter, was playing in all four games.
Fuck that noise.
It's a typical Mazz and Felger trick, "Sure the Red Sox won, but they didn't win good enough" like those two fuckwads are Russian skating judges and the local nine has to impress them with style and degree of difficulty. Oh yeah, the Red Sox had just played in 26 of the last 27 days up to that point too and two of their starting players were just placed on the DL that Friday in Houston. Fuck both of these guys. I don't know how anyone can listen to these jackasses for more than five minutes.
Tony Mazz is a lazy piece of shit who's horrible at his job. He does no prep and watches very little of the sports he allegedly "covers". His take on anything, absolutely anything, is utterly fucking worthless. My mother is a better resource on Boston sports.
I hope he gets mounted by a rabid dog.
I hope he gets mounted by a rabid dog.
Aaaaaaaaand with the Edelman 4 game suspension we now have the script for the next two weeks along with the pregnant pauses and "cough" training methods/Alex Guererro/TB12 Method "cough".
Time to look for some podcasts for my drive home
Time to look for some podcasts for my drive home
This is the truth. Even the rabid dog part.
I don't know how you can have a sweet job as a sports talk dude and take pride in the fact that you barely watch any of the sporting events you're supposed to talk about. Maybe it's just me, but it would seem like that should be pretty high on the job requirement list. Not that it would make him any smarter or insightful or interesting or funny or clever or tolerable, but the fucker still should be forced to do his homework.
Yeah, the Astros must not have cared that the Mariners were nipping at their heels (and ended up passing them in the standings when the Sox won two). Nbd though.
I just turned it on for one minute. Murray is saying that BB called the league office and ratted out Edelman in order to delegitimize TB12 clinics. Click.
He was on that yesterday too. It is exactly as stupid as the take that BB intentionally threw the SuperBowl by sitting Butler as a message to Kraft/Brady/Whomever
I really liked Murray when he was the afternoon guy on WFNX - he just sucks at sports talk radio.
Murray was on FNX? Really? I had no idea. I thought Hardy was the only one with a rock station background (aside from T&R).
Murray is not as awful on the weekend. He’s just playing a character like Kirk during the week. He’s not good but he’s tolerable.
Gasped and Beetle was a great show. It’s unfortunate that Gasper doesn’t have enough hot takeZ or controversy for a weekday show.
i have watched these guys all week
to try and be fair to them
Felger the good the 3-min intviewhe tries to stay with his take no matter how stpuid
Bad he goes on and on about 1 or 2 things i dont understand why J Kraft does not fire him sometimes
Mazz Good pefect number 2 a yes man closet yankes fan i dont care what he says
Bad the red sox are 43-19 yet he always looks for the bad yes their farm ststem is bad but so was NYY 3 years ago
Murray great at doing voices should be number 2 to felger he is anger smurf
bad everything is a cospearship
Jimmy Stewart sounds like tina from bob burgers
whats every team to lose
to try and be fair to them
Felger the good the 3-min intviewhe tries to stay with his take no matter how stpuid
Bad he goes on and on about 1 or 2 things i dont understand why J Kraft does not fire him sometimes
Mazz Good pefect number 2 a yes man closet yankes fan i dont care what he says
Bad the red sox are 43-19 yet he always looks for the bad yes their farm ststem is bad but so was NYY 3 years ago
Murray great at doing voices should be number 2 to felger he is anger smurf
bad everything is a cospearship
Jimmy Stewart sounds like tina from bob burgers
whats every team to lose
It’s been right there in front of me this whole time yet I have t been able to put my finger on it. Thank you!
Yep... same. Once I heard that I didn't need to listen any longer because ... it's just dumb. Could I see BB doing that? Maybe not BB but one of his people (kids). Still doesn't make for radio I want to listen to for longer than a minute.
Amusing Mazz says this after ranting and raving for the past two weeks about how awful the Sox farm system is and how they are going to pay for it in 2 years.
I literally changed the channel and did not come back after hearing that suggestion. Granted he said he’d also want one of Baltimore’s relievers but that is one of the single stupidest trade ideas I’ve heard from someone who ostensibly supposedly knows baseball.
Felger questions if JD Martinez can keep this up. "JD Martinez has had great half seasons before." All hosts crap on the bullpen because of last night(which is justified).
They go on to say how great their record can be but they don't mean anything because their bullpen sucks. Murray: "What can you really take out of these games?" Felger: "What do these games really mean?"
They go on to say how great their record can be but they don't mean anything because their bullpen sucks. Murray: "What can you really take out of these games?" Felger: "What do these games really mean?"
What you can take out of these games is that the Red Sox have 54 victories in 81 games.
It's a pretty fucking simple observation, actually.
Right but then if you ignore the first 19 games it’s really not that impressive! Honestly this team has been in decline since 20 games into the season Mike! Don’t get me started on the tomato cans they beat up on!
Totally.
The more I was thinking about it, here's what they'll say about JD Martinez:
- He has a great rest of 2018, "Well let's see if he can do it in the Playoffs, Mike"
- He has a great playoffs, Sox go far (ALCS or better), "I think that 2018 was anomaly Mike, I really do. I'd like to see him do it in back-to-back years."
- Martinez has another really good year (2019 version), "He's no David Ortiz, Mike. Leading them deep into the playoffs one year is one thing. Let's see him do it again."
- Martinez has another solid playoffs, he's now a free agent, "He's old, I'm not sure if the Sox need him, Mike."
- Martinez signs with the Mariners, "I don't understand how the Sox could let him go, Mike. I really don't. They don't care about winning over there."
The dark cloud around every silver lining is the only thing that matters when you're a Boston sports fan.
Mike, JD Martinez playing great is bad for the Red Sox! You want him to do well but not be great! If he’s great he’s just going to opt out! Why’d the Red Sox give him this contract??
I dislike when Felger tries to be a moral authority and repeatedly argue about Hanley Ramirez' judgement in having a friend who is also a criminal. With so little context, he has been on a week-long rant about how Hanley should not be friends with him.
Who gives a shit? He isn't on the team. His friend sold drugs. I don't need you and Jimmy telling me which friends you can keep, and what criminals you can speak to.
Maybe Hanley didn't know he was a drug dealer? Maybe he tried to stop him? Maybe he enabled him. But really, it doesn't matter because we don't know, so we should make such definitive judgements.
As Nick Carraway said:
IAs Nick Carraway said:"Whenever you feel like criticizing any one...just remember that all the people in this world haven't had the advantages that you've had.” ― F. Scott Fitzgerald, The Great Gatsby
Who gives a shit? He isn't on the team. His friend sold drugs. I don't need you and Jimmy telling me which friends you can keep, and what criminals you can speak to.
Maybe Hanley didn't know he was a drug dealer? Maybe he tried to stop him? Maybe he enabled him. But really, it doesn't matter because we don't know, so we should make such definitive judgements.
As Nick Carraway said:
IAs Nick Carraway said:"Whenever you feel like criticizing any one...just remember that all the people in this world haven't had the advantages that you've had.” ― F. Scott Fitzgerald, The Great Gatsby
A quick comment on listening to Big Jim Murray this morning with Sean Slytherin - stop it. Just stop this hyper-miserable persona you’ve wrapped yourself up in. It is so not entertaining nor endearing. It is such uncomfortable radio. Don’t treat your job as your therapy noone wants to hear it.
He's actually decent on the weekends with Chris Gasper. Not particularly good, but not total crap. Gasper brings out what limited ability he has, and they have ok chemistry.
if i was john henry i wouild have a talk with james stewart and say look if price opts out and leaves and other stars leave i am buying this staion just to get rid of the 2-6 crew because i am not going to have all 3 of your hosts treating price like gargbe assime everyone is on ped's etc etc and if u want to keep it up great feglar can have his own show in nantucket
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2018/07/12/the-sports-hub-remains-top-rated-radio-station-boston/C2A3D8On54FMKDfMgiSN5L/story.html?event=event25
I can't believe F&M did a 14.7. I used to listen a lot and haven't in 6 months because it's awful and just trolling, but apparently that works. (See K&C) I love Keefe, hope they start doing better or that show is destined for changes if they are that far behind.
Speaking of trolling, after my soccer game last night, I listened to the Adam Jones show for the first time in awhile. The Sox had just won, Sale had an amazing performance, the team has won nine in a row and are sitting at the top of MLB with a 65-29 record. What does Jones say, "I don't trust these guys! I just don't! And what's going to happen in October? Huh? What then?"
I get it. I really do. Negativity sells. You need to stir up the fellowship of the miserable to get calls. A nightly Chris Farley Show about the 2018 Boston Red Sox wouldn't be great. I understand that. But, I mean the Boston Red Sox, right now, are pretty fucking good. Arguing that they're not, or trying to bring up the boogey man of October 2018 is ridiculous.
It makes me think that Jones doesn't understand sports at all or he's being completely disingenuous. At least Felger (used to) be able to say these things with a wink. Like he knew it was bullshit, but that's his job to poke the bear a little bit. And Felger (used to) be able to understand that if you compliment a team when they deserve it, it makes pointing out flaws when the teams deserve it easier to swallow.
All I know is that I'm glad I don't have to listen to Adam Jones on a regular basis. I actually switched it back to EEI and listened to commercials for the rest of my ride home.
I get it. I really do. Negativity sells. You need to stir up the fellowship of the miserable to get calls. A nightly Chris Farley Show about the 2018 Boston Red Sox wouldn't be great. I understand that. But, I mean the Boston Red Sox, right now, are pretty fucking good. Arguing that they're not, or trying to bring up the boogey man of October 2018 is ridiculous.
It makes me think that Jones doesn't understand sports at all or he's being completely disingenuous. At least Felger (used to) be able to say these things with a wink. Like he knew it was bullshit, but that's his job to poke the bear a little bit. And Felger (used to) be able to understand that if you compliment a team when they deserve it, it makes pointing out flaws when the teams deserve it easier to swallow.
All I know is that I'm glad I don't have to listen to Adam Jones on a regular basis. I actually switched it back to EEI and listened to commercials for the rest of my ride home.
Dale never seems to get good ratings. I can find him irritating at times, but otherwise, I don’t get why.
F&M have succeeding in driving me away with the constant Pats drama. However, it seems to be working. I gave up hope.
F&M have succeeding in driving me away with the constant Pats drama. However, it seems to be working. I gave up hope.
I was on the way back from Maine last night and heard that rant from Jones and it was bad. Jones is a troll in the worst way and he isn’t nearly as good as Felger at his job. I rarely listen to Jones but did cause I like archand. Hopefully he’ll start calling out Jones more.
The problem is they move the goalposts every time.
In April it was, "These guys aren't for real. Every team starts out hot, let's see where they are in June!"
June comes, the Sox are still kicking ass. "Well, it's just because they haven't hit the dog days yet. Let's see what happens in July and August!"
If the Sox pass all of these tests and October comes around and they win the World Series the conversation turns into, "Well, yeah, they won this year. Who cares? Let's see what they do in December when it's the Winter Meetings or next year when a whole bunch of guys become free agents. Then you'll see!"
I don't know, man. I don't understand how you could work so hard to be something that you've dreamed about (talking sports for a living!) and just be so constantly and consistently negative. I wonder what fucked them up?
Last edited:
Its what sells.
I would have a very hard time acting like an ignorant dumbshit 4 hours a day. Therefore, since I've concluded that it would be hard to *act* that way, I assume that they *are* ignorant dumbshits. And seeing as how they dont operate aircraft or dangerous machinery, its best to leave them where they are, in a place where they can't really hurt anyone.
If they weren't on a radio station that I don't listen to, they might actually be making my life less pleasant somehow.
Yikes, I have to believe at least one of the hosts is in jeopardy. That's down 32% from the same period last year. In fairness, the Hub is down 10% in that time slot, but 14.7 is still a massive number.
https://www.boston.com/sports/media/2017/12/28/by-any-measure-sports-remains-bostons-top-radio-programming
Felger and Mazz say the Celtics offered Kryie to Kawhi -- doing whole segments on it. "They Believe" such an offer was made. Is this just bullshit? I have heard zero rumblings of this kind of offer, in fact, the national writers explicity said Kryie was among those they refused to offer.