Michael Holley started the show making fun of this very point--saying he was PO'd because the Pats have still failed to surround Tom Brady with talent like the Broncos have with Peyton.
Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.SidelineCameras said:
Oh they can ignore it.
Brady sucks at the end of the second quarter all year!? Didn't the Pats score the most points in the last two minutes of the first half this year? God, Mazz fucking sucks.
Mazz also concerned about the end of first half turnover. Shockingly on the same page as most of SoSH
Darnell's Son said:
I disagree, this a legit concern, it was talked about over on BBtL. They have had 4 or 5 terrible giveaways.
Darnell's Son said:
Sorry, this is overstating it. Mazz talking about gut reactions and said that the INT at the end of the second quarter gave him agita, and it's happened a lot this year.
Mazz does fucking suck, but not on this point.
It's happened a lot this year? He threw three picks in the second quarter all year(4 including Saturday). What am I overstating?SidelineCameras said:
Edit: Just looked it up and he did it twice.
They have had several end-of-second-quarter breakdowns (three INTs (including Saturday) that led to points for the other team prior to the half, the TD play to Jordy Nelson against the Pack, and the fiasco punt-return and then long TD to the Dolphins), but it seems more coincidental to me than a pattern. Ironically these are all examples of bad situational football which of course we know BB pounds into their heads all season long, and which they typically excel at.
Here's my whole point: if someone asked me, "What was going through your mind when Brady threw that pick," I would say, "I was freaking out and it reminded me of Indy." I heard Mazz say something along those lines, that it wasn't the first time this year and it freaked him out.
You heard Mazz say something along the lines of 'Brady sucks at the end of the second quarter all year!?' (I know you were paraphrasing, not quoting). That's just not what I heard.
I can't believe I'm defending Mazz. I feel dirty.
You heard Mazz say something along the lines of 'Brady sucks at the end of the second quarter all year!?' (I know you were paraphrasing, not quoting). That's just not what I heard.
I can't believe I'm defending Mazz. I feel dirty.
Gotcha.
It seemed to me like Mazz was just trying to stir up something to be worried about(end of half Brady).
I didn't freak out after the pick. I didn't think Baltimore would do anything with the ball after the pick. I was wrong, and then I was not happy.
You should feel dirty defending him...even if you're right, which you probably are.
It seemed to me like Mazz was just trying to stir up something to be worried about(end of half Brady).
I didn't freak out after the pick. I didn't think Baltimore would do anything with the ball after the pick. I was wrong, and then I was not happy.
You should feel dirty defending him...even if you're right, which you probably are.
I wasn't too concerned after the pick either. I was pissed that we had a chance to grab the lead knowing we were getting the ball to start the second half - was hoping for a double score and a two score lead.
I don't think Mazz was shit stirring, his concern about the defense is legit and I think a lot of fans had the same thought about the pick.
Time to shower.
I don't think Mazz was shit stirring, his concern about the defense is legit and I think a lot of fans had the same thought about the pick.
Time to shower.
One of the core principles of the show is that no matter how good a trade or player departure works out for the Pats, if a player goes elsewhere, whether its Welker, Branch Mankins, Seymour, etc... and doesn't perform well (or is sufficiently replaced), that doesn't matter. If said player was on the Patriots they'd be all pro and the Pats would have won the Super Bowl.
As it pertains to Welker specifically, Felger, as he often does these days has structured things such that he is right no matter what happens and he can bash the Pats and the fans for it. He'll bash the Pats relentlessly for letting Welker go and will also bash them for having any desire to resign him. No matter what he wins. One of the worst things on the show.
Mazz is right on Brady's interception. He deserves to get criticized for it.
MJM2344 said:
After the game Steve Smith Sr. spotted Wiggy near the team bus. Smith confronted Wiggy about Wiggy's comments from last year about Smith being a bully in the locker room. According to Bertrand who witnessed the near fight, Wiggy seemed to think Smith was joking around at first and told him you know it's true. Smith got upset and told Wiggy he wanted to fuck him up. Bertrand noted Wiggy's wife and 2 young children were nearby. Security, Jojo Lafell and Matt Chatham tried to get in between Smith and Wiggy. Once there was enough people in between Wiggy and Sr, Wiggy called Smith a bitch and told him he isn't going to do shit.
As far as I know based on Betrand and Zolak's telling of the story, no strikes were landed or even thrown.
MJM2344 said:
Here's the transcript w/ audio
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/01/13/steve-smith-sr-apparently-tried-to-fight-jermaine-wiggins-after-loss-to-patriots-on-saturday/
As WEEI proved many years ago, idiocy does sell. At least until it reaches a tipping point.RedOctober3829 said:
I don't know what possessed me to do it (Super Bowl euphoria, I guess) but I turned on the CSNNE postgame with Felger, and he's pissing and moaning about the eligible/ineligible formations they used tonight and how "useless" it was to run those when the gameplan should have been hand it off to Blount all night. What a miserable fuck this guy is.
Surprised they don't do an online only show on days like this. Gotta think their show would draw more listeners to the stream than generic CBS Sports radio.
They were on long enough to tell us that:
A) Yesterday told us nothing about the game in 2 weeks or how good this Patriots team is because the Colts suck.
B) Felger absolutely believes that Bill had someone dinking around with the gameballs, but it did not alter the outcome of the game. Tony chimed in that they do not deserve the benefit of doubt when it comes to these things because of Spygate. Bill brought this on himself.
C) The NFL will bury this story because Roger is Kraft's bobo.
A) Yesterday told us nothing about the game in 2 weeks or how good this Patriots team is because the Colts suck.
B) Felger absolutely believes that Bill had someone dinking around with the gameballs, but it did not alter the outcome of the game. Tony chimed in that they do not deserve the benefit of doubt when it comes to these things because of Spygate. Bill brought this on himself.
C) The NFL will bury this story because Roger is Kraft's bobo.
If the first 10 minutes is any indication, you may want to avoid the show if you don't want to hear F&M shit on the Patriots for their hubris.
One thing I've been meaning to mention here for sometime. We're all entitled to change our minds on any variety of things, but am I the only one to notice that Mazz often changes his POV on issues pending on which way the wind blows and prefaces his daily waffling with "You know, the more I think about this..."
Beetle is taking them to task on automatically saying the Patriots intentionally did anything. Good to hear.
Honestly, what Rodgers does has absolutely NOTHING to do with what the Patriots are accused of doing. Green Bay hands over the balls prior to the game and sometimes the refs notice and sometimes they don't.Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:
The Patriots are accused of tampering with the balls DURING the game. One is trying to gain an advantage and one is out right cheating.
edit: This isn't to say 100% that something was done, or that BB had anything to do with it, but 11 out of 12 balls? Doesn't look good.
Do you not the see the difference?LuckyBen said:
Edit: If Rodgers was over-inflating the balls during the game after the officials let the air out then Yes. He's never been accused of that though.
Yeah..... so..... if you can't figure out the difference then you can head back to the 99 page thread on the topic with everyone else over reacting.Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:
A fan of circular arguments are ya?LuckyBen said:
The Pats were not only accused but so far all evidence (which may not even be correct) shows that the balls were tampered with during the game. Not sure where I have a high horse. What you think about other teams, Rodgers, or how many times they did this is not relevant.
where does this fit in with that:HomeBrew1901 said:
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4776810/former-official-balls-would-have-been-inflated-at-halftime
Mike Greenberg: “If the balls were checked at halftime and were found to be under-inflated would they then be pumped up to meet regulation at that point, meaning that they then would have played the second half with balls that met regulation? “
Austin: “To my understanding that's what would have occurred. They would have brought the balls back up to the standard.”
Greenberg: “But, you don't know one way or another if they did do that?”
Austin: “I don't know that for a fact, but it would really surprise me if that did not happen. If they brought them in to check them and they are under-inflated, then they are going to inflate them to get them back up to standard.”
It should be noted that the Patriots scored 17 points before halftime and 28 after intermission.
Wait, you're trying to use an interview where both parties are speculating and have nothing to do with the investigation as proof that the Patriots did nothing wrong?
For fucks sake, I'm not saying the Patriots are guilty, for all any of us know Mort's report and his sources are wrong and the balls were faulty.
My initial point was that what Rodgers and Green Bay and probably every single team does is in no way relevant to what the Patriots are accused of doing, which is tampering with balls during the game after they were inspected and found to be in good order.
What part of what I'm saying doesn't make sense?
For fucks sake, I'm not saying the Patriots are guilty, for all any of us know Mort's report and his sources are wrong and the balls were faulty.
My initial point was that what Rodgers and Green Bay and probably every single team does is in no way relevant to what the Patriots are accused of doing, which is tampering with balls during the game after they were inspected and found to be in good order.
What part of what I'm saying doesn't make sense?
Brew, you're a moron. The Patriots are the most virtuous, perfect team in the history of ever. They don't cheat, they don't use PEDs and they don't murder people.
Figure it out, hater!
Figure it out, hater!
I may have finally reached my breaking point with this show. I've read this thread for a long time and i've always wondered about the people who come in here and say how awful these guys are, and yet they still listen every day. I think that I have a pretty good understanding of the Felger and Mazz formula: get people pissed off at you just enough. I've never had a problem with the formula. It was always such a pleasure to be able to NOT listen to WEEI.
The exchange that Felger had with Beetle yesterday around 3 about deflated footballs and what Patriots fans think about it was new levels of embarrassing, imo. Felger has taken years to establish a narrative about BB, the Patriots, and (what I think will be his undoing) Patriots fans. It's a narrative that he cannot deviate from now. He doubled-down yesterday and not only put words in Beetle's mouth, in effect he's put words into my (a Pats fan's) mouth. He may have been doing this for a while, but yesterday was the first time that I really noticed it. And I took it personally. I'm not going to call him and yell at him about this. That's part of the formula. I've rediscovered that I really like classical music on my radio as I drive. Click. Maybe someone at the station will see this and fix it before they really face the same fate as the Big Show. Beetle would DESTROY them in ratings if he jumped ship. Anyway, just felt like typing that...
The exchange that Felger had with Beetle yesterday around 3 about deflated footballs and what Patriots fans think about it was new levels of embarrassing, imo. Felger has taken years to establish a narrative about BB, the Patriots, and (what I think will be his undoing) Patriots fans. It's a narrative that he cannot deviate from now. He doubled-down yesterday and not only put words in Beetle's mouth, in effect he's put words into my (a Pats fan's) mouth. He may have been doing this for a while, but yesterday was the first time that I really noticed it. And I took it personally. I'm not going to call him and yell at him about this. That's part of the formula. I've rediscovered that I really like classical music on my radio as I drive. Click. Maybe someone at the station will see this and fix it before they really face the same fate as the Big Show. Beetle would DESTROY them in ratings if he jumped ship. Anyway, just felt like typing that...
Guapos Toenails said:
I don't listen too much anymore due to work but I've been recording it the past couple weeks so I can catch the Perillo, Bedard, and Gasper segments. But I agree one hundred percent. I'm done.
Guapos Toenails said:
Perhaps that's why they promoted him to the mid-day slot with Zolak starting after the Super Bowl.
So, what's the opening going to be today? I think Felger is going to say it doesn't matter what BB said today he knew about it and was lying on the podium. Mazz is going to agree with him and also say that the league will eventually go soft on the Patriots because Kraft and Goodell are close.