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believe this is you will, and I know this sounds like the Nomar Baskin Robbins story, but...
I live in Tampa and Austin Ainge played golf at the course I belong to with the teaching pro (a Maine guy and a big C’s fan) and Ainge said that the team has had to have multiple conversations with him about not dogging it and playing much harder
Is this where the Marcus factor might matter?
 

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If Tacko finishes with the best +/- tonight, I want you twitter people to barrage Scal about making him the player of the game.
 

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believe this is you will, and I know this sounds like the Nomar Baskin Robbins story, but...
I live in Tampa and Austin Ainge played golf at the course I belong to with the teaching pro (a Maine guy and a big C’s fan) and Ainge said that the team has had to have multiple conversations with him about not dogging it and playing much harder
90% of Gorman's frustration, from the interview today, was directed at Tatum
 

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Articles have been written nearly daily for the last week- ten days that the C's have hit rock bottom.

They haven't. Not yet. Not sure how it can get worse, but they haven't figured anything out. I'm not sure who's going to lead the intervention, but so far, no one in that locker room has stepped, player or coach.
 

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We need to see what we have in guys like Teague.
Teague deserves the minutes tonight, he's played hard after not seeing the court for awhile and has been decent.

This also applies to Nesmith lately, so yeah he probably should have played more.
 

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Is this where the Marcus factor might matter?
I can say that the story surprised me at the time but the more I pay attention to him, the more sense it makes.
His body language is garbage and he still has too much of the “Kobe System” in him
 

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Articles have been written nearly daily for the last week- ten days that the C's have hit rock bottom.

They haven't. Not yet. Not sure how it can get worse, but they haven't figured anything out. I'm not sure who's going to lead the intervention, but so far, no one in that locker room has stepped, player or coach.
They're 100% staring down the barrel of a seven game losing streak heading into the break.
 

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I know Waters is small, and we mostly only see him in garbage time, but he can penetrate and pass. Are we sure we shouldn't try him wtih the second unit to see if he can create some movement and offense? He's probably not overall better than Teague, but I always like what he gets going (albeit in garbage time)
 

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90% of Gorman's frustration, from the interview today, was directed at Tatum
Tatum is a couple weeks from his 23rd birthday and has gotten lauded as a potential top 3-5 player in the league. It's not all that surprising if he started believing his own press clippings.
Not everyone is Jaylen. In fact, very few are.
 

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Honestly not sure how Danny can improve this roster significantly. That Kemba contract is killing them.
 

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90% of Gorman's frustration, from the interview today, was directed at Tatum
Ill have to listen to the interview. But that lines up because Gorman is definitely plugged in
the only other tidbits I got were that “the game was way too fast for Nesmith” (this was like a month ago) and that PP was a complete gym rat. Nothing about Jaylen, which I think is a good thing really
 

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I know Waters is small, and we mostly only see him in garbage time, but he can penetrate and pass. Are we sure we shouldn't try him wtih the second unit to see if he can create some movement and offense? He's probably not overall better than Teague, but I always like what he gets going (albeit in garbage time)
Whenever I've seen him against real competition this year, he gets abused. Granted, there hasn't been a lot of that.
 

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I know Waters is small, and we mostly only see him in garbage time, but he can penetrate and pass. Are we sure we shouldn't try him wtih the second unit to see if he can create some movement and offense? He's probably not overall better than Teague, but I always like what he gets going (albeit in garbage time)
In the 2 games this year where he's played meaningful minutes he's a combined 2/16 shooting and a -23 in 47 total minutes, so sounds about like what they're doing this game so sure why not
 

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Tatum is a couple weeks from his 23rd birthday and has gotten lauded as a potential top 3-5 player in the league. It's not all that surprising if he started believing his own press clippings.
Not everyone is Jaylen. In fact, very few are.
Talk about a guy not playing hard is like "can't hit a fastball" very bad sign. Hope this is nothing. His body language sucks a lot of the time, so it could be perception rather than reality.
 

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I know Waters is small, and we mostly only see him in garbage time, but he can penetrate and pass. Are we sure we shouldn't try him wtih the second unit to see if he can create some movement and offense? He's probably not overall better than Teague, but I always like what he gets going (albeit in garbage time)
We did try and Tatum almost punched him he made so many lazy plays.

I would like to see more Edwards. He hit a 3 early then was benched all game because ???
 

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We did try and Tatum almost punched him he made so many lazy plays.

I would like to see more Edwards. He hit a 3 early then was benched all game because ???
because he's stunk since his first summer camp? There's absolutely no reason to believe Edwards can play. And I liked the pick, but it seems pretty clear he doesn't have NBA skills. I will be thrilled to be wrong but just don't see it with him. There's a lot more reason for hope with Waters, who at least has quickness and passing vision (though I don't have a lot of hope there, just a bit)
 

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Celtics all stars 10-36 for 30 points. 1-14 from three.
ATL snubbed all star 12-23 for 33 points, 5-11 from three
 

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Even if the team is hopeless, I don’t think Ainge should just do absolutely nothing until summer. What message does it send?

Even if it’s just a vet buyout looking for minutes to beef up his resume before free agency. Semi and Grant are fucking terrible, their usefulness is so limited to like 2% of matchups that they are effectively useless. Their only hope of being even neutral on any given night is if they are hitting threes on the wide open looks they get, because they are incapable of any other offensive action.

Given the contract situation, running it back with mostly this roster is like 30% likely as is, so you might as well get started finding new players ASAP.
 

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Grant Williams 21 minutes and Nesmith 13 seems bad in retrospect (also whatever the opposite of retrospect is)
 

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If Jaylen truly has tendonitis and Jayson has trouble breathing then they need to sit both of them.
This team is not going anywhere and you may as well tank for the higher pick. Fuck, maybe even have Kemba get surgery.
It’s fucking moronic to risk future years and health for this garbage team
 

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When I made posts in the TPE thread a while back about fixing the internal problems before going out and making trades, this is what I’m talking about. If you can’t even motivate these guys to play night in and night out, how are outside acquisitions going to help? The team is broken. Missing Smart has little to do with it. The team lacks the effort on defense mostly every night and tonight just looks plain disinterested in competing.
 

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Even if the team is hopeless, I don’t think Ainge should just do absolutely nothing until summer. What message does it send?

Even if it’s just a vet buyout looking for minutes to beef up his resume before free agency. Semi and Grant are fucking terrible, their usefulness is so limited to like 2% of matchups that they are effectively useless. Their only hope of being even neutral on any given night is if they are hitting threes on the wide open looks they get, because they are incapable of any other offensive action.

Given the contract situation, running it back with mostly this roster is like 30% likely as is, so you might as well get started finding new players ASAP.
They have the Kanter and another small trade exception. But not much to trade to get anything back is there? I guess you can trade a future second (or Grant, who someone might still value a little bit) for almost anything different. Agree they need more athleticism off the bench, and more shooting. Well, most anything would help....but really, what do they have to trade?
 

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Honestly not sure how Danny can improve this roster significantly. That Kemba contract is killing them.
may want to save our 1st round pick, this season is getting ugly real quick

Danny will need to do some work this Summer

reminder: the 76ers looked pretty screwed by the end of last season
 

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If Jaylen truly has tendonitis and Jayson has trouble breathing then they need to sit both of them.
This team is not going anywhere and you may as well tank for the higher pick. Fuck, maybe even have Kemba get surgery.
It’s fucking moronic to risk future years and health for this garbage team
I have no doubt that Tatum is/was affected by COVID, but if he should sit it’s for his shitty, selfish style of offense lately.