FBS National Championship Thread - tOSU v. Oregon

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Even if they didn't, how is Urban supposed to know if they are going to use the timeouts or not?  Bottom line is everyone does the same thing there.  If you can take a knee and run out the clock, you do it.  If the opponent can stop the clock, you don't.  This was nothing out of the ordinary. 
 
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So Urban has won 3 national championships, with supreme passers Chris Leak, Tim Tebow and Cardale Jones at QB. (and developed Alex Smith into a #1 overall pick)
 
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Kind of a dick move there by urban, no? I mean not as bad as fostering a stable of hardened criminals but still kind of a dick move
Oregon ran it up over 60 in a few games against undermanned teams over the last few years so turnabout is fair play. 
 

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I'm just sitting here thinking just how much of a blowout it would have been, but for the four turnovers.  OSU completely destroyed Oregon tonight.
 
And as far as I'm concerned, it just goes to show that championships should be decided on the field, in a playoff.  Had this been any other year in the history of college football, Ohio State would not have even had a chance to play in this game, and not only did they beat the teams ranked 1 and 2, they stomped on them.  Four teams ain't enough to know who deserves that shot, and it only took one season to prove it, which is awesome.
 

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Al Zarilla said:
Oregon ran it up over 60 in a few games against undermanned teams over the last few years so turnabout is fair play. 
Winning by a ton of points is not synonymous with going for a td when the game is completely unwinnable by the opposition
 

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Al Zarilla said:
Oregon ran it up over 60 in a few games against undermanned teams over the last few years so turnabout is fair play. 
Eh "running up the score" isnt really a thing anymore, teams score so much and so fast, teams come back from 20, 30 point leads. Eveyone understands teams are trying to score all the time.
 

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Deathofthebambino said:
I'm just sitting here thinking just how much of a blowout it would have been, but for the four turnovers.  OSU completely destroyed Oregon tonight.
 
And as far as I'm concerned, it just goes to show that championships should be decided on the field, in a playoff.  Had this been any other year in the history of college football, Ohio State would not have even had a chance to play in this game, and not only did they beat the teams ranked 1 and 2, they stomped on them.  Four teams ain't enough to know who deserves that shot, and it only took one season to prove it, which is awesome.
This is a great point...

Does suck that Fsu got so lucky in the reg season. Should have been tcu instead of the noles
 

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Winning by a ton of points is not synonymous with going for a td when the game is completely unwinnable by the opposition
I don't know what you mean. Oregon never calls off the dogs so I'm happy when another team rubs their face in it. 
 

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Al Zarilla said:
I don't know what you mean. Oregon never calls off the dogs so I'm happy when another team rubs their face in it. 
I didn't watch all their games, but I doubt they don't take a knee when the game is mathematically over
 

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Ohio State was awesome - will be interesting to watch what happens with their QB situation.
 

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Nobody takes a knee when the other team has enough timeouts to stop the clock.  Nobody. 
 
If you don't believe me, find an example of a team taking a knee that didn't end the game, and the other team got the ball after they turned it over on downs.  It just doesn't happen.  Oregon had two timeouts left.  There is no way for Urban Meyer to know if they are going to use them or not.  They ran the ball on first down, and they didn't use it, but they could have been waiting for 2nd down to do so because they only had two left.  Then OSU scored on second down, so it didn't matter.  But if you can't run out the clock to zero, you never take a knee.  Nobody ever does it.
 

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I, for one, thought OSU making the final four was absurd.  They proved me wrong and congrats to them.  
 
edit:  not that the system itself isn't still a joke because it is.  
 

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Ezekiel Elliot looked to be the greatest running back in the world last night.
 

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If Cardale Jones goes pro, where is he taken?
 
I don't know the story behind his disciplinary issues, which could change the picture a lot, but otherwise I think he's a late 2nd to 4th round pick.  Obviously he's a total project but his physical talent is off the charts.  He looks like a Cam Newton clone.  Unless Meyer guarantees him the starting job next year, which seems unlikely, he really should declare.
 

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I'd like to see Meyer roll with both him and Barrett during the non-conference schedule and let it work itself out. Maybe you run a dual-QB system next season. It's a great problem to have, though.
 
So after last night, are there any new buckeye fans around here?  :fap:
 

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I don't know the story behind his disciplinary issues, which could change the picture a lot, but otherwise I think he's a late 2nd to 4th round pick.  Obviously he's a total project but his physical talent is off the charts.  He looks like a Cam Newton clone.  Unless Meyer guarantees him the starting job next year, which seems unlikely, he really should declare.
With perhaps one exception: Newton may be mobile, but he tries to avoid direct hits.  Jones seemed willing to go head on at full tilt on separate occasions into a nose guard and middle linebacker - and back them up if not bowl them over altogether.  Ouch.
 

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I like Jones, but I agree that he's a total project at this point.  If he isn't going to get the starting job, then he should look to transfer, IMO.  If that's not possible, only then should he look to come out.   I wouldn't touch him before the 3rd round.   The kid has only started 3 games, and while he's looked pretty damn good in them, the NFL is literally another planet with a different speed, language and level of responsibility and he's just plain not ready.  Could he be the next Aaron Rodgers and sit on the bench for a year or two until he's ready?  I guess anything is possible, but I'd place the odds of him being Jamarcus Russell higher than him being the next Cam Newton (or even Vince Young or Leftwich for that matter) if he came out now. 
 
That said, I hope some folks saw what I've been saying for a while now.  Some team is going to get boned by drafting Mariota way too high.  I think it's entirely possible that he could be the next Russell Wilson, but I'm still not sold on his arm.  Jones' arm was so, so much stronger last night that it was like watching a comparison between Eli Manning and Peyton Manning this year.  I didn't see him make one throw last night that would be considered an above average throw by NFL standards.  He hasn't had to zip one into a lot of tight spots in his career in that offense, and while his legs are otherworldly, mobile QB's that are uber successful in the NFL are the exception to the rule.  I don't think he's going to suck like Johnny Football by any means, but I think a guy like Kaepernik is probably his ceiling, which is a pretty damn good ceiling, but shouldn't warrant a top 5 pick, IMO.
 

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Well, there is one NFL offense that's tailor made for Mariota, but it would take ridiculous trade or an Aaron Rodgers type of slide for him to get there. If he's going to reach that Kaepernick ceiling - if, indeed, that is his ceiling - he'll likely have to wind up in Philly.
 

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That's definitely true.  I think a reunification with Chip Kelly would make all the difference in the world for him, and if he ended up in a system like that, I could definitely see him being very successful, and maybe even better than Kaepernick.  Unfortunately for him I think, from everything I hear, he's going #1 to Tampa Bay, and frankly, I just don't see it working out all that great.  Definitely looking forward to seeing it play out.  If they can get a running game, they've got some weapons in the passing game with Mike Evans, Sefarian-Jenkins and I assume Vincent Jackson will still be there.  Not sure how good their offensive line will be (hey Logan), and they could very well get him killed, but it'll definitely be a huge storyline next season.
 

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Deathofthebambino said:
That said, I hope some folks saw what I've been saying for a while now.  Some team is going to get boned by drafting Mariota way too high.  I think it's entirely possible that he could be the next Russell Wilson, but I'm still not sold on his arm.  Jones' arm was so, so much stronger last night that it was like watching a comparison between Eli Manning and Peyton Manning this year.  I didn't see him make one throw last night that would be considered an above average throw by NFL standards.  He hasn't had to zip one into a lot of tight spots in his career in that offense, and while his legs are otherworldly, mobile QB's that are uber successful in the NFL are the exception to the rule.  I don't think he's going to suck like Johnny Football by any means, but I think a guy like Kaepernik is probably his ceiling, which is a pretty damn good ceiling, but shouldn't warrant a top 5 pick, IMO.
 
I think it's a bit unfair to compare anyone's arm to Jones's, his arm is insane. It's stronger than Eli's and would be elite strengthwise in the NFL. We're talking Cunningham or Elway in his prime arm strength. 
 
I've seen Mariota make tight zippy throws (like this one) but they are usually on the run or if a play breaks down. He has good pocket awareness as far as not getting sacked is concerned, and he can extend a play but usually leaves the pocket to do it. He has to work on moving around the pocket to prolong a play and make a throw from the pocket. He hardly ever steps up in the pocket to throw. I think he can learn that and being 6'4" surely helps. 
 

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Deathofthebambino said:
That's definitely true.  I think a reunification with Chip Kelly would make all the difference in the world for him, and if he ended up in a system like that, I could definitely see him being very successful, and maybe even better than Kaepernick.  Unfortunately for him I think, from everything I hear, he's going #1 to Tampa Bay, and frankly, I just don't see it working out all that great.  Definitely looking forward to seeing it play out.  If they can get a running game, they've got some weapons in the passing game with Mike Evans, Sefarian-Jenkins and I assume Vincent Jackson will still be there.  Not sure how good their offensive line will be (hey Logan), and they could very well get him killed, but it'll definitely be a huge storyline next season.
 
 
Tampa is actually a pretty great situation for a new QB, compared to most teams that hold the #1 pick.
 
That said, I would bet heavily on them taking Winston.  Mariota just isn't ready to be the guy from Day 1, Lovie Smith will be on the hot seat if that team doesn't rebound next year, and they just hired an OC in Dirk Koetter (ex-OC of Jax 2007-2011, ATL 2012-2014) that has always run a basic pro-style Air Coryell type offense.  Winston is the perfect fit for that kind of scheme, while Mariota would be a total fish out of water.