Euro 2020 FINAL: Is it coming home or going to Rome?
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It’s managerial malpractice. He’s not even a starter he wouldn’t necessarily be in pre set pen takers. The kid is 19 he’s not ready for that moment
Absolutely right, especially when he's taking the 5th shot with everything on the line there.
I'm not saying Southgate had a great game - and the penalty lineup was really weird - but he did seem to get the lineup and formation correct at the start of the match, and I think his calm attitude is an underrated aspect of England's success in recent years. He's created the atmosphere in which English players have actually thrived when playing for England. And it's not like anyone else notable wanted the job when he took it, or necessarily would want it now. The job is going to be his as long as he wants it. And it should be.
Southgate killed England tonight. His approach was overly conservative, he failed to make necessary adjustments in time, he didn't use his subs properly, and then his penalty strategy was a mess. He had the more talented, deeper team and his side got outplayed anyway. That's on him.
Southgate did a pretty good job overall, both in terms of tactics and mental preparation, but the lack of substitutions, man, that seems like a big mistake.
I guess there is a reason you don’t often see 120 minute substitutions of designated penalty takers.
Back in the early days of Men In Blazers they used to talk about the concept of scoring too soon. This was a case of scoring too soon. The goal changed the game for England.
Back in the early days of Men In Blazers they used to talk about the concept of scoring too soon. This was a case of scoring too soon. The goal changed the game for England.
I was fairly sympathetic to him coming into this because managing England is an impossible job but he just put the careers of two young stars in at least duress if not outright jeopardy. You may need to fire him just to give those players and excuse mentally that it wasn’t their fault they were asked to take there
In the knockout stage of this tournament, Italy beat:
23rd ranked Austria
1st ranked Belgium
6th ranked Spain
4th ranked England
That's a pretty impressive run. On the whole, they won every single game - not even a single draw. Best team in the tournament, even losing key players to injury.
My prediction at the start of the knockout round:
23rd ranked Austria
1st ranked Belgium
6th ranked Spain
4th ranked England
That's a pretty impressive run. On the whole, they won every single game - not even a single draw. Best team in the tournament, even losing key players to injury.
My prediction at the start of the knockout round:
I got a fair amount wrong, but I got the winner right. Italy is back and they're back BIG, baby!
calm down there Luigi
Belgium didn’t have their 2nd best player and their best played injured
And they bettingly drew Spain and England
Once Chiesa pulled up lame and with 5 substitutions you had to think that England had the bench to run circles past Italy’s tired legs. It is a bit inexplicable.
I respect the hell out of Saka for standing up and taking that last penalty. Sometimes you see more experienced players step up, sometimes you don't. Those goalposts looked awfy narrow towards the end of that shoot out.
Hard to imagine two players I would more hate to see miss penalties than Rashford and Saka.
He's been like that tournament. He only has 1 or 2 like-for-like subs he can make, so additional changes would require him to change his shape and use different tactics, and he doesn't want to do that. He prepares the team well and builds a good atmosphere but he is not adaptable.
Southgate had a great tournament but a lousy game.
So do England use this loss as motivation for the World Cup or do they slide backward into factionalism and WAGs and all the bullshit that has undone them in the past?
So do England use this loss as motivation for the World Cup or do they slide backward into factionalism and WAGs and all the bullshit that has undone them in the past?
England need a great creative midfielder and immediately they become among the most complete teams in the world. Then it's a matter of luck.
Because for some, second place stinks.
They already are, aren't they? They're ranked #4 in the world and just lost the Euro final on PKs. They're clearly elite.
Foden and Grealish are both capable of being creative centrally. Sancho out wide and probably Saka. I think they’ll be better at the World Cup but who knows what Kanes ankles look like by then
That's going to be Jude Bellingham. He's just a little too young right now. But they've already got a ton of attacking talent. A better manager than Southgate would have figured out how to use it more.
England will be fine. They are loaded with talent, and they are mostly very young. They'll be one of the 2 or 3 favorites to win the World Cup next year.
England have a bunch of potential 10s but lack a good passing #8, someone like Veratti who can control the tempo of a match with possession.
I think they are a click below Spain, France and Belgium- though they are getting older- maybe Netherlands. Oh forgot Portugal as well. Then there's Argentina and Brazil.
They may build a better team going forward, but it's going to be hard to get as easy brackets as the one they had in 2018 and 2021.
Saka sub was the worst move Southgate made all tournament. A 19yr old Arsenal bench player is not the player to bring on with the bench that he had to work with. He's Walcott 2.0. Never should have been on the squad nevermind taking a fucking penalty. That's on the coach not him. He's going to hear about that miss for the rest of his career in England.
So I'm pretty cynical about Soccer but I have 4 English nephews so I was rooting hard for England.
For those more in the know -
Those three kicks that England missed were....really bad right? I Mean....like the kind of bad that the players certainly deserve some of the blame here?
For those more in the know -
Those three kicks that England missed were....really bad right? I Mean....like the kind of bad that the players certainly deserve some of the blame here?
The match also looked a bit too big for him from the moment he came on. If I could see that, I don’t know how Southgate couldn’t.
I also hate the fact that he didn’t give Rashford and Sancho five or ten minutes to get their legs rather than coming on at the death. They could easily have come on for Grealish, Saka, or Sterling.