ESPN Is Pathetic
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They lost 3.5 million viewers last year, sorry no link. That came out about a month ago I do believe.
http://www.thestreet.com/story/13256764/1/disney-dis-stock-slumped-on-espn-subscriber-losses.html
According to this, the subscription base declined by 2%, but nothing about ratings, or anything detailed.
According to this, the subscription base declined by 2%, but nothing about ratings, or anything detailed.
Ratings were up from 2013 to 2014.
http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/ratings-espn-tops-cable-for-year-own-hallmark-we-tv-among-few-gainers-1201391036/
http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/ratings-espn-tops-cable-for-year-own-hallmark-we-tv-among-few-gainers-1201391036/
Cris Carter giving advice at the rookie symposium last year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSLw2ddpM7U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSLw2ddpM7U
ESPN's fantasy football commercial contains the line "He can't be commish, he's softer than the footballs in Foxboro." Not even a good joke in the first place.
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/espn-commercial-takes-shot-at-tom-brady-and-deflategate-072015
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/espn-commercial-takes-shot-at-tom-brady-and-deflategate-072015
I posted this in the Borland thread but applicable here too. Carter's comments on Deflategate and Tom Brady:
The Carter video is gaining some momentum online. Funny to see him and Sapp dishing out advice on morals, ethics and finding a patsy. NY Post has it on their front page: http://nypost.com/2015/08/23/cris-carter-teaches-nflers-how-to-cover-up-their-crimes/
CC wearing his HOF Yellow, no less. NIce big NFL badge on the chest. Preachin to fools on how to cover their asses. Shocking.
we're on that: http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/55035-espncom-is-pathetic/?p=6192925ManhattanRedSox said:
I mean no band has come about in the 2 years since it happened, I doubt it will happen.Byrdbrain said:
So I emailed Bob Ryan again this morningBleedred said:
Me: I’m sorry you didn’t respond (and would still welcome one), but today’s news is why Brady doesn’t settle for the 4 games.
Ryan Responds: It's done, pending the NFL's predictable appeal. May we all move on?
That's a great email Bleedred and a terrific analogy. Couldn't be more disappointed in Ryan who I've always liked. "It's done...May we all move on?" Uh, no, Bob. Nobody wants to take responsibility for their "takes." How about you look over why there shouldn't have been a case in the first place - make the rounds on radio and pound the ideal gas law - and then say you were wrong on this. Then let's move on.
I thought his position on this whole matter was foolish, but generally speaking, I still think he's one of the better sports columnists around.DourDoerr said:
Further back and forth from the bottom up. Note his backpedalling a bit, and never answering the hypothetical, but I give him credit for responding. I wrote something similar to Felger...no response yet:
[SIZE=10pt]I’m with you, and this is truly humiliating to the NFL. As you note, because so many people continue to patronize the product is precisely why Roger keeps his job and the majority of owners in his corner. It’s a multi-billion dollar enterprise, and so long as he is the face of the NFL and takes the slings and arrows, he does his job (to coin a phrase) as the owners want and expect. I do wonder whether or not these massive legal defeats and attendant embarrassment for the league eventually lead to non-renewal of his contract (at which point he walks away with his $300 million+). At a minimum, if they had a competent commissioner, and less megalomaniacal ownership group, perhaps they’d realize that appeals to an independent arbitrator or board of arbitrators mutually agreed up on by the NFL and NFLPA makes a lot of sense and may avoid this excrement show in the future. Precisely because it makes so much sense, I doubt it ever happens.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]From:[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] Ryan, Robert [mailto:ryan@globe.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 1:21 PM
To: Eric
Subject: Re: Your appearance on the sports reporters this weekend[/SIZE]
Understand that nothing in sports delights me more than seeing the NFL humiliated. The only problem is people will still patronize the product, regardless. I';m a baseball/basketball man who wouldn't really care if they stopped playing football in the next 5 minutes.
On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Eric wrote:
[SIZE=10pt]I agree. I just found it a shame that very few people who offered so many opinions clearly hadn’t bothered to read the actual source materials to at least inform those opinions. Roger Goodell probably skates here, but I cannot conclude anything other than, at least as to league discipline, he is the most spectacularly incompetent commissioners in all of professional sports (Ray Rice, Peterson, Brady, Bountygate, etc.). The integrity of the game has been besmirched all right, and it has been at the hands of the commissioner.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]From:[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] Ryan, Robert [mailto:ryan@globe.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 12:54 PM
To: Eric
Subject: Re: Your appearance on the sports reporters this weekend[/SIZE]
Sick of it. Really. Utter nonsense, all of it. Had nothing to do with inflated footballs and everything to do with wanting to punish the Patriots --- finally! --- for all transgressions of the past 12 years, real or imagined.
On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Eric wrote:
[SIZE=10pt]Unfortunately it’s not over, as the NFL has just announced they intend to appeal, but I do appreciate the response, thank you. Did you get a chance to read my hypothetical? I’d still love your thoughts on it.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]From:[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] Ryan, Robert [mailto:ryan@globe.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 12:43 PM
To: Eric
Subject: Re: Your appearance on the sports reporters this weekend[/SIZE]
It's done, pending the NFL's predictable appeal. May we all move on?
[SIZE=10pt]I’m with you, and this is truly humiliating to the NFL. As you note, because so many people continue to patronize the product is precisely why Roger keeps his job and the majority of owners in his corner. It’s a multi-billion dollar enterprise, and so long as he is the face of the NFL and takes the slings and arrows, he does his job (to coin a phrase) as the owners want and expect. I do wonder whether or not these massive legal defeats and attendant embarrassment for the league eventually lead to non-renewal of his contract (at which point he walks away with his $300 million+). At a minimum, if they had a competent commissioner, and less megalomaniacal ownership group, perhaps they’d realize that appeals to an independent arbitrator or board of arbitrators mutually agreed up on by the NFL and NFLPA makes a lot of sense and may avoid this excrement show in the future. Precisely because it makes so much sense, I doubt it ever happens.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]From:[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] Ryan, Robert [mailto:ryan@globe.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 1:21 PM
To: Eric
Subject: Re: Your appearance on the sports reporters this weekend[/SIZE]
Understand that nothing in sports delights me more than seeing the NFL humiliated. The only problem is people will still patronize the product, regardless. I';m a baseball/basketball man who wouldn't really care if they stopped playing football in the next 5 minutes.
On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Eric wrote:
[SIZE=10pt]I agree. I just found it a shame that very few people who offered so many opinions clearly hadn’t bothered to read the actual source materials to at least inform those opinions. Roger Goodell probably skates here, but I cannot conclude anything other than, at least as to league discipline, he is the most spectacularly incompetent commissioners in all of professional sports (Ray Rice, Peterson, Brady, Bountygate, etc.). The integrity of the game has been besmirched all right, and it has been at the hands of the commissioner.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]From:[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] Ryan, Robert [mailto:ryan@globe.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 12:54 PM
To: Eric
Subject: Re: Your appearance on the sports reporters this weekend[/SIZE]
Sick of it. Really. Utter nonsense, all of it. Had nothing to do with inflated footballs and everything to do with wanting to punish the Patriots --- finally! --- for all transgressions of the past 12 years, real or imagined.
On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Eric wrote:
[SIZE=10pt]Unfortunately it’s not over, as the NFL has just announced they intend to appeal, but I do appreciate the response, thank you. Did you get a chance to read my hypothetical? I’d still love your thoughts on it.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]From:[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] Ryan, Robert [mailto:ryan@globe.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 12:43 PM
To: Eric
Subject: Re: Your appearance on the sports reporters this weekend[/SIZE]
It's done, pending the NFL's predictable appeal. May we all move on?
Weird. Hard to square that conversation with his previous thoughts that Brady should take it. As he is a member of a union, it's even weirder that he'd basically take management's side when it seems it's pretty clear to him that the NFL is power-drunk.
And weirder still to engage on everything else and then completely disengage on the hypothetical. I can't give him credit when he's not taking responsibility. I'll echo pappymojo - wimp.
And weirder still to engage on everything else and then completely disengage on the hypothetical. I can't give him credit when he's not taking responsibility. I'll echo pappymojo - wimp.
I think Ryan is still dealing with the fact that his columns don't just disappear like they did for the first 35 years of his career. Accountability used to last about 24 hours. Not any more
To his credit, he's trying, like he always does. But in this case, he's failing.
To his credit, he's trying, like he always does. But in this case, he's failing.
I thought he retired? I know he still writes occasionally but other than PTI type stuff how much is he even active anymore?joe dokes said:
He takes a lot of crap (and deservedly so), but Cris Carter played the Brady result pretty much right down the middle this morning on Mike & Mike. Repeated all the Brady supporting opinions with sincerity, shared a private conversation he had with Krafty at the HOF (Krafty said, "Tommy look me in th eye..."), and actually was very strong with his opinion that Goodell's sound bite about protecting "the integrity of the shield" was "a bunch of malarkey". Ripped Goodell for not demonstrating integrity and said the players of the league have as much or more responsibility to protect the integrity of the shield and Goodell should be doing what he can to support them, not tear them down.
Also disagreed with Greenberg's comment that Brady's victory won't change people's mind about Brady as a cheater. "I don't look at Tom Brady as a cheater... and I don't think important people around the league or people I talk with think of him that way."
Also disagreed with Greenberg's comment that Brady's victory won't change people's mind about Brady as a cheater. "I don't look at Tom Brady as a cheater... and I don't think important people around the league or people I talk with think of him that way."
Speaking of Bob Ryan, he tweeted this yesterday:
Coach Belchick had better walk the straight and narrow in '15 because the rest of the league will be even more intent now on getting NE.
— Bob Ryan (@GlobeBobRyan) September 4, 2015
Coach Belchick had better walk the straight and narrow in '15 because the rest of the league will be even more intent now on getting NE.
8:55 PM - 3 Sep 2015
Coach Belchick had better walk the straight and narrow in '15 because the rest of the league will be even more intent now on getting NE.
— Bob Ryan (@GlobeBobRyan) September 4, 2015
Coach Belchick had better walk the straight and narrow in '15 because the rest of the league will be even more intent now on getting NE.
8:55 PM - 3 Sep 2015
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Nite Vizhun UV said:
Coach Belchick had better walk the straight and narrow in '15 because the rest of the league will be even more intent now on getting NE.
8:55 PM - 3 Sep 2015
He is a man of great wisdom and offers a brilliant tweet.
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Nite Vizhun UV said:
Coach Belchick had better walk the straight and narrow in '15 because the rest of the league will be even more intent now on getting NE.
8:55 PM - 3 Sep 2015
Totally. At this point they're so mad and paranoid, I'd expect to see rule changes and even potentially a huge controversy and penalty made up out of thin air.
11:00 PM - 11 Jan 2015
Some of those penalty calls (and the non-reversal) in the first half last night made me say "hmmmm"
Which sets up the vicious cycle narrative of Pats fans being whiny and paranoid and don't we know the officials love us because of the Tuck Rule?Lose Remerswaal said:
This season has real potential for "just because Pats fans are paranoid doesn't mean everyone else isn't out to get us."
Some guy named Kevin Connors doing highlights is under the impression that US involvement in WWII began in 1943.
I plan to avoid the game threads this season for this reason.SidelineCameras said:
At the same time, people who are out to get the Pats remain firmly ensconced in NFL headquarters, with the responsibilities they had last year, and you have to be a rube to assume anything other than bad intentions.
This is why Michael killed Solllozzo -- and rightly so.
We are still very vulnerable to trumped up disciplinary charges if nothing else.