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They fired Ethan Strauss in the middle of the Warriors' playoff run. Terrible. I'm sure a lot of folks don't follow him on here, but he is a really good reporter and has been covering the Warriors throughout this run of excellence.
 

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Karma for a guy who consistently mocked those schools left behind in realignment. He's a real douche
This got a hearty laugh.

College football took a beating in the layoffs. I think they let go 7 CFB staff. I will say I'll miss Ted Miller and Brian Bennett, they are excellent on the College Football Drive podcast. College football is probably the thing ESPN covers best, both better than other sports and better than other networks. But they probably had too many people, hiring 2-4 people to cover each power conference. Those two, especially Miller, are great. had been around the longest (and likely were among the most expensive to keep.)
 

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I don't give a shit. Anyone could give hot takes as bad as SAS/ Skip Baylee's for half of what they pay them.. You can't say the same for the quality of work that Werder has done. One is easily replaceable while the other isn't.
Werder is easily replaceable. Look up fungible asset in dictionary and you see Ed Werder's pic.
 

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This is pathetic......
Richard Deitsch‏Verified account @richarddeitsch 2m2 minutes ago
From multiple sources: Do not be surprised if ESPN uses some of MLB Network's studio programming heading forward. Details? Do not know yet.
This makes all the sense in the world for MLB and really is an acknowledgement that MLB Networks' offerings have and will assuredly continue to outstrip ESPN coverage for baseball. I mean Kenny was at ESPN for years. Robert Flores is alright.
 

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Jayson Stark gone. Bummer.
He will be picked up by MLBN in a cocaine heartbeat. I will bet my life on that.


Richard Deitsch‏Verified account @richarddeitsch 2m2 minutes ago
From multiple people: ESPN's Baseball Tonight franchise will be significantly impacted by today's cuts.

So. ESPN is just going to be a sub par version of NFL NETWORK? Oh and HOT TAKES as far as the eye can see. Let's just have SAS on 24/7. It's not like First Take ratings have been shitty (the ratings for first take have been declining)
 

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Werder is easily replaceable. Look up fungible asset in dictionary and you see Ed Werder's pic.
Werder has carried enough water for the NFL and the Cowboys in particular that he'll be taken care of. Stark will also end up fine as he is very highly thought of in and around baseball.
Most of the others will have to become free agents selling stories and creating content on a contract basis.
 

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ESPN should go back to its original model, minus sportscenter. Just show 20+ hours of sports. Let all the other networks bombard people with information free screeching contests.

Pay the rights fees. Show the games. Fire everyone not part of that. Change the name SPN. Sports Programming Network,
 

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This makes all the sense in the world for MLB and really is an acknowledgement that MLB Networks' offerings have and will assuredly continue to outstrip ESPN coverage for baseball. I mean Kenny was at ESPN for years. Robert Flores is alright.
Yeah, what's wrong with the people you're supposed to report about being the ones paying your salary?
 

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This makes all the sense in the world for MLB and really is an acknowledgement that MLB Networks' offerings have and will assuredly continue to outstrip ESPN coverage for baseball. I mean Kenny was at ESPN for years. Robert Flores is alright.
If it wasn't better at covering baseball than ESPN there would be a huge problem since that's literally all it covers. Good take though.
 

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And that's why you don't run ESPN. ESPN cares about eyeballs because eyeballs means money. Nobody cares if Schefter, Werder, Rappaport, or whomever gets a scoop anymore and they're certainly not watching Sportscenter for Ed Werder.

I get that. But SAS makes over 3 million a year to rant like someone's drunk uncle. How many of these jobs could have been saved if he took at least took a pay cut? Seriously though best of luck to ESPN if they are going to become hot take central. Just have debate shows the entire day. It's not going to last.
 

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I get that. But SAS makes over 3 million a year to rant like someone's drunk uncle. How many of these jobs could have been saved if he took at least took a pay cut? Seriously though best of luck to ESPN if they are going to become hot take central. Just have debate shows the entire day.
What will impact the bottom line more? Ed Werder not getting a scoop on Tony Romo or replacing SAS with someone that will probably cost $1.5M and get people less riled up about sports? I'm going to guess the latter. And why the fuck would someone take a paycut? Congrats if you're morally principled enough to do so but that's an absurd notion.

It sucks that people that are very good at their jobs are but this is 100% a business decision. SAS drives a lot more revenue to ESPN than Werder, who I imagine is also getting paid a pretty penny. It's basically like some beat reporters getting the ax but Shank keeping his job.
 

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Reading the tweets of various regional / local espn writers, it strikes me as unsurprising that ESPN found themselves in this situation. Regional Sports networks, newspapers, and even teams themselves have a large enough digital presence already... adding ESPN to every market seems like a certain over saturation.
Why would i go to espn boston when i have nesn, csnne, boston.com, redsox.com, patriots.com, etc. to get news / analysis?
 

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I'm seeing a fair number of Twitter comments being thrilled about the layoffs because of a feeling that ESPN has become a biased network politically. I don't care about the trolls; but I am curious as to where this notion of ESPN being a "liberal" network came from. Anyone know?
 

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I'm seeing a fair number of Twitter comments being thrilled about the layoffs because of a feeling that ESPN has become a biased network politically. I don't care about the trolls; but I am curious as to where this notion of ESPN being a "liberal" network came from. Anyone know?
I'm not even going to tell you where this came from, but I've seen this list cited elsewhere as well:

Middle America wants to pop a beer and listen to sports talk, they don't want to be lectured about why Caitlyn Jenner is a hero, Michael Sam is the new Jackie Robinson of sports, and Colin Kaepernick is the Rosa Parks of football. ESPN made the mistake of trying to make liberal social media losers happy and as a result lost millions of viewers.
 

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ESPN should go back to its original model, minus sportscenter. Just show 20+ hours of sports. Let all the other networks bombard people with information free screeching contests.

Pay the rights fees. Show the games. Fire everyone not part of that. Change the name SPN. Sports Programming Network,
No idea how the ratings would be or who owns all of this content, but as someone raised on ESPN who is purportedly well within the target demo yet has long since given up on all non-game content, I'd definitely be more likely to come back at times if I knew I could flip it on and catch, for example, the Jordan flu game and the like.
 

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SAS drives a lot more revenue to ESPN than Werder
Is this actually true? I mean, I think it's obvious that SAS-style content drives a lot more revenue than normal beat reporting, but it seems to me like they could just get any schlub to spout ridiculous "hot takez" 24/7. But ESPN obviously has the numbers/surveys/etc. and I don't so they must think people like SAS himself (as opposed to nameless SAS replacement) bring something more to the table. Just seems odd that ESPN isn't taking into account individual reputation when it comes to reporting (e.g., Jayson Stark) but is when it comes to the hot takez stuff.
 

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I'm not even going to tell you where this came from, but I've seen this list cited elsewhere as well:
Middle America wants to pop a beer and listen to sports talk, they don't want to be lectured about why Caitlyn Jenner is a hero, Michael Sam is the new Jackie Robinson of sports, and Colin Kaepernick is the Rosa Parks of football. ESPN made the mistake of trying to make liberal social media losers happy and as a result lost millions of viewers.

Of course, I should have realized: The bigots are upset
 
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Yeah, what's wrong with the people you're supposed to report about being the ones paying your salary?
It is not ideal no doubt for a variety of reasons. But the availability of those networks and the hours of programming they have plus the massive pocketbook ( thanks ESPN for those rights fees) make MLB NFL NBA and NHL networks logical places for guys like Stark and the many others to apply to.

MLB also has been beefing up its mlb.com with Morosi and other additions who have been let go from elsewhere.
 

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Is this actually true? I mean, I think it's obvious that SAS-style content drives a lot more revenue than normal beat reporting, but it seems to me like they could just get any schlub to spout ridiculous "hot takez" 24/7. But ESPN obviously has the numbers/surveys/etc. and I don't so they must think people like SAS himself (as opposed to nameless SAS replacement) bring something more to the table. Just seems odd that ESPN isn't taking into account individual reputation when it comes to reporting (e.g., Jayson Stark) but is when it comes to the hot takez stuff.
This is a popular take, but I don't know about that. It does take a little bit of skill, I think, to spout ridiculous takes in an effective, somewhat entertaining way. SAS, love him or hate him, seems to be pretty good at it. I mean Shannon Sharpe and Skip are trying hard, but they can't even come close. All clowns may be clowns, but not all are funny. I have no doubt that if ESPN lets SAS go, somebody else will show him the money.
 

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This is a popular take, but I don't know about that. It does take a little bit of skill, I think, to spout ridiculous takes in an effective, somewhat entertaining way. SAS, love him or hate him, seems to be pretty good at it. I mean Shannon Sharpe and Skip are trying hard, but they can't even come close. All clowns may be clowns, but not all are funny. I have no doubt that if ESPN lets SAS go, somebody else will show him the money.

I dont know where the empirical support is, but when it comes to getting eyeballs to watch hyper-amplified vapidity, I suppose the personality of the shouting clown is probably the draw. SAS is good at that.

So if they are going to have timeslots devoted to programmed stupidity, they probably do need to pay top dollar for the "talent." whether the net gain there is greater than *not* paying top dollar and instead paying 59 cents for the rights to worldwide curling events is a matter for the bean counters.
 
I'm seeing a fair number of Twitter comments being thrilled about the layoffs because of a feeling that ESPN has become a biased network politically. I don't care about the trolls; but I am curious as to where this notion of ESPN being a "liberal" network came from. Anyone know?
Of course, I should have realized: The bigots are upset

I fall asleep to ESPN or ESPN2 some nights watching Baseball Tonight/NFL Insiders so I wake up to First Take or some other garbage ESPN show. This week they had on Michael Eric Dyson promoting his new book, "Tears We Cannot Stop: A Sermon to White America" followed by Charlamagne Tha God the next day promoting his new book, "Black Privilege".

I listened to parts of both interviews for a few minutes - some dealt with sports (Kaepernick situation) but a lot of it was just social commentary on race. I don't think it makes anybody a bigot if they don't want to hear that stuff first thing in the morning on a sports network. Maybe I'm in the minority but I'd rather hear the cries of schoolchildren than listen to Dyson at 7am when I'm trying to see NBA playoff highlights from last night's games. And I'd feel no different if Hannity or Limbaugh was my TV screen.
 

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Interesting to see how many of the casualties have been at ESPN for somewhere between 6 and 9 years. I remember there was a period where ESPN tried to absorb basically every talented sportswriter or TV sports presence in the country. It's like they wanted to become the Amazon of sports content.
 

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Interesting to see how many of the casualties have been at ESPN for somewhere between 6 and 9 years. I remember there was a period where ESPN tried to absorb basically every talented sportswriter or TV sports presence in the country. It's like they wanted to become the Amazon of sports content.
And that's about the time they tried to go sort of "hyper local," too. It was good content for awhile....Reiss & Edes in particular. But I don tknow about other markets. And then they started to make the locals less local.
 

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I listened to parts of both interviews for a few minutes - some dealt with sports (Kaepernick situation) but a lot of it was just social commentary on race. I don't think it makes anybody a bigot if they don't want to hear that stuff first thing in the morning on a sports network. Maybe I'm in the minority but I'd rather hear the cries of schoolchildren than listen to Dyson at 7am when I'm trying to see NBA playoff highlights from last night's games. And I'd feel no different if Hannity or Limbaugh was my TV screen.
My comment was in direct reference to the quote nattysez provided. That quote was bigoted