ESPN 30 for 30: The Tuck Rule

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ESPN is premiering a new 30 for 30 doc on Feb 6 about the Tuck Rule, featuring interviews with Kraft, Brady and Charles Woodson. While Brady and Woodson sitting down for a conversation seems mildly interesting, I’m curious as to what the angle of the doc is. I don’t think any disputes that it was the correct call, just that the rule was poorly written.
 

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https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/33085063
ESPN is premiering a new 30 for 30 doc on Feb 6 about the Tuck Rule, featuring interviews with Kraft, Brady and Charles Woodson. While Brady and Woodson sitting down for a conversation seems mildly interesting, I’m curious as to what the angle of the doc is. I don’t think any disputes that it was the correct call, just that the rule was poorly written.
I'll watch because it is dynasty related, but doesn't feel like there's a lot more to unearth here. Unlike some of the controversies, for instance.
 

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Yeah I feel it's going to be the same stories as the other couple things that have been done - New England people say it's a bad rule interpreted correctly, Raiders players / fans say it was a conspiracy, rinse, repeat. Curious if they can get a new angle but I don't know what that would be.
 

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I bet the theme will be that that one play helped catapult Brady and the Pats to greatness and left Woodson and the Raiders organization in the dust.
 

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I bet the theme will be that that one play helped catapult Brady and the Pats to greatness and left Woodson and the Raiders organization in the dust.
The Raiders went to the Super Bowl the next year (while the Pats missed the playoffs) and lost to the Bucs and Jon Gruden, partially because they did not change some calls (allegedly). They went nowhere after that but they kept going in the right direction to start.
 

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If they interviewed the refs involved it would be interesting. Otherwise it's fluff and just another way for ESPN/NFL to monetize Brady's GOATness.
 

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The Raiders went to the Super Bowl the next year (while the Pats missed the playoffs) and lost to the Bucs and Jon Gruden, partially because they did not change some calls (allegedly). They went nowhere after that but they kept going in the right direction to start.
Yes, I understand, but that doesn't make for an interesting story. They'll spin it to say that "the Raiders, with their stout defense, outstanding offense featuring two HoF WRs, and a genius head coach, were on their way to multiple SB victories. The loss to the Pats was so jarring that their coach left, they got blown out in the SB the next season by their former coach's new team, and they weren't really heard from again. The Pats? After a sub-par 'hangover' season in 2002, they went on to become the greatest dynasty in NFL history!"

EDIT: The Raiders didn't finish above .500 once in the next 13 seasons after losing the Tampa SB, and averaged about 5 wins a season during that stretch.
 

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The Tuck Rule kept coming up in the context of the officiating blunder in Cinci this weekend.

Totally opposite scenario. Tuck Rule was the correct interpretation of a rule, whether it was a bad rule or not.

This weekend the officials basically ignored the rule as written.
 

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I always thought they should have called roughing the passer for Woodson's helmet smack.
It was a different era when it comes to QB protection.

If you want to call roughing for that one, then Ty Law's pick six in the Super Bowl also gets called back for Vrabel forearming Warner in the helmet as he threw it.
 

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It was a different era when it comes to QB protection.

If you want to call roughing for that one, then Ty Law's pick six in the Super Bowl also gets called back for Vrabel forearming Warner in the helmet as he threw it.
No doubt--I just remember yelling at my TV that they should've called RtP on Woodson. I guess it all worked out pretty well in the end....
 

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It was a different era when it comes to QB protection.

If you want to call roughing for that one, then Ty Law's pick six in the Super Bowl also gets called back for Vrabel forearming Warner in the helmet as he threw it.
It wasn't to the same extent it is now.. but I feel like I remember QBs getting hit in the helmet being called frequently back then... so much so that it stood out that it wasn't called on that play (and I guess as you say on Vrabel..but that one doesn't stick in my memory as much)
 

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At the time I thought it was a fumble. I kind of still do. Ironically I was at work watching it with a Raiders fan. His response on the reversal......"You've got to be bleeping kidding me......You've got to be bleeping kidding me"
 

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It’s all in the game baby.

But, really, yikes. I wonder how often that actually happens; I suspect not much because you would think the sideline would notice that almost always. The weather and commotion of the final drive, plus the ref standing there, may have added a fog of war element to the sideline huddle.
 

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And don't forget we got a semi-revenge over them in 1985 playoff win over the Raiders, when the Silver and Black kept turning over the ball. Then Billy Sullivan's son got into it with Matt Millen and Howie Long. Didn't Millen swing his helmet at him?? What an A-Hole! That's Millen. If I'm not mistaken Sullivan in the press conference mentioned the Sugar Bear Hamilton bad call and the Darryl Stingley hit by Tatum.
 

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Edit: Can't figure out how to post the picture but if you google Billy Sullivan Patriots Raiders you can find the image of Millen cold cocking Sullivan's son.
 

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Add me to the list of people confused by this 30 for 30. They already did a 10 minute retrospective for the 10 year anniversary that included interviews with Brady, Walt Coleman (the ref), Bruschi, Vinateri, etc. that features a lot of the players reading the Tuck Rule aloud.

View: https://youtu.be/5lNI-Uq_fww
What's amazing to me about that is that even after reading the rule out loud, the Raiders players were like, that's BS. I mean, it's fine to hate the rule, but as Coleman pointed out, it was very straightforward. Did the Raiders want them to NOT follow the rules? (yes, in this case, obviously)
 

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What's amazing to me about that is that even after reading the rule out loud, the Raiders players were like, that's BS. I mean, it's fine to hate the rule, but as Coleman pointed out, it was very straightforward. Did the Raiders want them to NOT follow the rules? (yes, in this case, obviously)
One of the criticisms I heard from both Raider fans and general Patriot haters is that the Tuck Rule should not have been invoked to overturn a call on the field, even though Coleman correctly applied the rule during the review. Seems like total bullshit to me; nowhere is it written that the Tuck Rule cannot be applied upon a replay review. Besides, the Pats had a similar call go against them earlier that same season in the Mo Lewis game. Do people really think the officials should have let the wrong call stand?
 

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The tuck is complete when the second hand touches the ball. And Brady wasn't called for tripping Biekert trying to prevent the recovery of what he knew was a fumble.