Epic Michael Kay rant about 2004 Sox video

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If Sox ownership has its finger on the pulse of this story, they will have this mental health guy throw out a first pitch to a Sox / Yanks game once the Yankees fire his ass.
 

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Obviously horrible optically and that alone should have shut it down, but I kinda get it how the idea started... from a player perspective - today's players don't care it was the Red Sox vs. Yanks / will separate the laundry from accomplishment, in theory.
 

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Oh please. It was almost 20 years ago. None of the current players give a shit about those teams. The Sox came down from 3-0. No other MLB team has. The Yankees were down 3-0. Most of these guys dont give a shit about laundry anymore.
 

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It being Red Sox vs Yankees has nothing to do with it, IMO. It's that it was the Yankees losing that is the biggest problem.
If Boston had come back against the White Sox and they showed the video, it would have been fine. The fact that, at a low moment for the team, they brought up a lower point for the franchise in an attempt to motivate the team is bizarre
 

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Oh please. It was almost 20 years ago. None of the current players give a shit about those teams. The Sox came down from 3-0. No other MLB team has. The Yankees were down 3-0. Most of these guys dont give a shit about laundry anymore.
This makes sense but in reality it seems like as Red Sox fans we should be aware of the phenomenon of past failures of the team weighing on the psychology of players who were not around for them no?
 

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Oh please. It was almost 20 years ago. None of the current players give a shit about those teams. The Sox came down from 3-0. No other MLB team has. The Yankees were down 3-0. Most of these guys dont give a shit about laundry anymore.
You know, if it was me, and I was trying to inspire my team to greatness, I might tell them a story of how my team was down by a bunch of runs against our hatied rivals heading into the eighth inning of a Game 7 against a Hall of Fame pitcher and how we kept chipping away at the lead until we were finally tied and then how someone won the game with a walk-off dinger in the tenth. And while that might not be as cool as coming from 0-3 down, the theme would be to keep chipping away at a lead until you get the opportunity to win it. Also, the team that you're managing is the "hero"* in that story and not the busted losers.

* Not really, but from Boone's perspective.
 

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I liked the part about the Ortiz jersey.
”This guy is still so far up in our heads we jackhammered the stadium to remove his jersey. And then we built a shrine around the hole to show how we’re so scared of his memory that we had to jackhammer the stadium.”
 

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This makes sense but in reality it seems like as Red Sox fans we should be aware of the phenomenon of past failures of the team weighing on the psychology of players who were not around for them no?
You know, if it was me, and I was trying to inspire my team to greatness, I might tell them a story of how my team was down by a bunch of runs against our hatied rivals heading into the eighth inning of a Game 7 against a Hall of Fame pitcher and how we kept chipping away at the lead until we were finally tied and then how someone won the game with a walk-off dinger in the tenth. And while that might not be as cool as coming from 0-3 down, the theme would be to keep chipping away at a lead until you get the opportunity to win it. Also, the team that you're managing is the "hero"* in that story and not the busted losers.

* Not really, but from Boone's perspective.
If this was presented to a bunch of fans, I could see it being super tone deaf. But there are only 3 players on the entire roster that were older than 15 years old when this happened. Yes. We're old.

The laundry doesn't matter, it's the story. I have a hard time believing any of these guys gave a shit. It's made worse because us fans found out.
 

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Dude looks like a Curt Schilling deep fake. Boone should have Face Timed him and talked about the bloody sock.

Edit - love the reminder about the guy burying the Ortiz jersey. What a legend.
 

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This makes sense but in reality it seems like as Red Sox fans we should be aware of the phenomenon of past failures of the team weighing on the psychology of players who were not around for them no?
I agree that the players probably care less about the laundry, but conversely, if ever there was a team that successfully draws on a magical thinking sense that they are part of tradition with a winning 'mystique,' it is the Yankees. Not only did they not go to that obvious canard, but they undercut their ability to, you know, tell the players to channel their inner Jeter. It is hilarious.
 

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If this was presented to a bunch of fans, I could see it being super tone deaf. But there are only 3 players on the entire roster that were older than 15 years old when this happened. Yes. We're old.

The laundry doesn't matter, it's the story. I have a hard time believing any of these guys gave a shit. It's made worse because us fans found out.
I don't disagree with you that the Yankee players were disgusted. I would think that they probably stopped listening to Boone awhile ago and while they probably want to win the World Series, at the end of the day most athletes believe that there's always another chance. If they don't win this year, there's always next.

Having said that the optics aren't great, why would you show your team getting beat? That's a strange correlation to put in their head. Especially in a Yankee locker room where the organization goes out of it's way to link every play to the past somehow, Yankee tradition, blah, blah, blah.

IDK, you could have easily shown the Flyers coming back from 3-0 on the Bruins in 2010 and I bet it would have had the same effect, which was: who gives a shit.
 

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I liked the part about the Ortiz jersey.
”This guy is still so far up in our heads we jackhammered the stadium to remove his jersey. And then we built a shrine around the hole to show how we’re so scared of his memory that we had to jackhammer the stadium.”
This was the weirdest part to me. These three clowns were so concerned about this story, and thought that leaving the hole there was so important, and completely relevant to the mental coach shit. It sounded like they were so proud that their employer dug up a shirt and left the hole there to remind and warn everyone.
 

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For those of you who don't listen to Kay often (I do for a few minutes every day between meetings), he is always pretty direct and critical of the Yankees when he isn't calling games. Throughout the playoffs, he was so critical of Boone that when they finally spoke before Game 3 of the ALCS, it was actually kind of contentious. Boone was not happy to not have a softball call.

And if you missed Kay vs Mad Dog a couple weeks ago, I highly recommend giving it a listen about Showalter's move to check for foreign substances. It's on the Kay podcast.
 

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I like Kay saying "George Steinbrenner would be hot about this"

George is burning in hell, so he's hot all the time about everything.
 

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I found Kay had a sense of entitlement and arrogance that as a Sox fan in NYC was a tough listen. He was a smug asshole. As his entitledment has been whittled down over the past 20 years, he seems to have gotten a little bitter, but he's still a smug arrogant asshole.

In anycase, there's no getting around the fact that no matter how good the Astros are, and they are, the MFY were a 99 win team with a shit load of high-priced talent (albeit more sized for the NFL than MLB) that got swept. That should not happen. It somewhat reminded me of a very good Celtics team coached by Bill Fitch quitting/spitting the bit and getting swept by the Milwaukee Bucks about 40 years ago. Adios Bill, hello KC.

I understand Boone has had his critics, but apparently the guy in the corner office remains a supporter. IMO Boone owns a fair chunk of this lackluster post-season, but he may escape the Fitch ending. But if the Yankees get off to a slow start in '23 maybe Jete's gets a call to put on the #2 again.

That would be a Waldman moment I would not want to miss.

But it would probably kill poor John Sterling.
 

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I found Kay had a sense of entitlement and arrogance that as a Sox fan in NYC was a tough listen. He was a smug asshole. As his entitledment has been whittled down over the past 20 years, he seems to have gotten a little bitter, but he's still a smug arrogant asshole.

In anycase, there's no getting around the fact that no matter how good the Astros are, and they are, the MFY were a 99 win team with a shit load of high-priced talent (albeit more sized for the NFL than MLB) that got swept. That should not happen. It somewhat reminded me of a very good Celtics team coached by Bill Fitch quitting/spitting the bit and getting swept by the Milwaukee Bucks about 40 years ago. Adios Bill, hello KC.

I understand Boone has had his critics, but apparently the guy in the corner office remains a supporter. IMO Boone owns a fair chunk of this lackluster post-season, but he may escape the Fitch ending. But if the Yankees get off to a slow start in '23 maybe Jete's gets a call to put on the #2 again.

That would be a Waldman moment I would not want to miss.

But it would probably kill poor John Sterling.
“OHMIGOD, ITS DEREK JETER IN HAL STEINBRENNER’S BAWX!!”
 

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Michael Kay would like to speak to your manager.



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