Eovaldi to Red Sox, per Rosenthal

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I feel for the guy. Working all your life to get to the show, dominate AAA only for your stuff not to work against big league guys. Has to be a hard pill to swallow
I’m sure he’ll go over his first 10 major league innings being horrible.:eyeroll:
 

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Career K:BB prior to 2018 was 539:239 or 2.255:1. This year it is 58:8 or 7.25:1. Real or mirage? If real he is going to make himself an awful lot of money over the next three months.
 

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He has five distinct pitches, although he threw only 4 splitters,



and his velocity is electric, hitting 99 in his last inning.



It's just as well that his stuff is so good, because his location was hardly pinpoint: this chart shows a lot of pitches right down the middle and belt-high. Throwing lots of strikes made the Twins swing early in the count, and this time around they couldn't do anything against Eovaldi.

 

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Also the Globe bothered to read SBNation's Rays page where they discovered that Eovaldi is basically Randy Johnson the first two times through the order and Joe Kelly the third time through.
This is a good catch. I remember watching Yankee games where Girardi would remove him early because of exactly that.
If he turns into a pumpkin after two times, I can see him being used as a power righty out of the bullpen in the playoffs, given the note above about how well he does against good RH hitters on potential playoff teams.
So far so good on the pumpkin watch. Eovaldi faced 6 Twinkies 3 times through and mowed them down 1-2-3 in both the 6th (9 pitches) and 7th (14 pitches) innings.
 

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the cutter was just a massive pitch for him today. a ton of late movement. that improvement is real
 

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Glad DD listened to me in the other thread. I watched a lot of Eovaldi when he was with the Yankees. The big difference with him is the cutter and that has helped him make peace with BABIP.

Whether thats sustainable or not I dont know. He did not miss a lot of bats tonight and maybe he caught the Yankees at a good time , but I am optimistic . If he can ever mix in that split he would be sick . However he had a tendency to hang the split which increased his HR rate, so maybe its best to stick with whats working
 

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Glad DD listened to me in the other thread. I watched a lot of Eovaldi when he was with the Yankees. The big difference with him is the cutter and that has helped him make peace with BABIP.

Whether thats sustainable or not I dont know. He did not miss a lot of bats tonight and maybe he caught the Yankees at a good time , but I am optimistic . If he can ever mix in that split he would be sick . However he had a tendency to hang the split which increased his HR rate, so maybe its best to stick with whats working
Watching today it seemed like he’s needing something that tails back in to a RHH and away from a LHH. We saw NY get more comfortable with that cutter as the game progressed despite its nastiness. A two seamer that ran back would keep them from following it across the zone. Obviously, a well thrown splitter would have the same effect.
 

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Sox starters last two games:

17.0 ip, 4 h, 1 r, 1 er, 1 bb, 13 k

Pretty much total domination of the Yankees' lineup.
 

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Sox starters last two games:

17.0 ip, 4 h, 1 r, 1 er, 1 bb, 13 k

Pretty much total domination of the Yankees' lineup.
I guess they do better at home when the Yankees can’t steal their signs with the surveillance equipment and relay them to the batter by the scoreboard.
 

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And for those of us who wonder about such things, Beeks pitched last on August 2nd. The results?

5.0 Innings
2 Hits
2 Earned Rums
1 Walk
4 Strike outs

11.66 is current ERA.
 

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Sox starters last two games:
17.0 ip, 4 h, 1 r, 1 er, 1 bb, 13 k
Pretty much total domination of the Yankees' lineup.
And over those 17 innings, they faced only 3 batters over the minimum!

In 14 innings, the Yankees sent only three batters to the plate.
In 3 innings, a fourth guy batted.
 

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In his final three innings on Friday, Porcello threw 4 balls. ... Over the last five innings, he threw 8 balls.

In an 11-batter stretch from the final out of the second inning to the end of the fifth, he threw 4 balls.

He had 1 three-ball count and 3 two-ball counts. For 28 batters!
 

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A few more outings like this and Eovaldi will look like a deadline steal.

Even as his performance increases the odds that we won’t re-sign him, I am very pleased with this acquisition.
I'm not sure. I bet he'd take a Rich Hill in LAD kind of deal. Basically, we could give him Pomeranz' money.

Whether or not that would be wise, given that he's had two TJs, is another question...
 

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It’s been two starts that have been great. I think we should probably pump the brakes a bit on extension talks, but it’s certainly looking like a win for DD.
 

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It’s been two starts that have been great. I think we should probably pump the brakes a bit on extension talks, but it’s certainly looking like a win for DD.
It's arguably already a win given the tough position DD had to work out of to begin with.

I also think people here are generally over-estimating the new apparent open market on a guy like Eovaldi. Which is another aspect of the acquisition to like imo. We get an in house look on a still right side of 30 guy who might be a late blooming piece we keep around in some grander scheme plan going forward.
 

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In his final three innings on Friday, Porcello threw 4 balls. ... Over the last five innings, he threw 8 balls.

In an 11-batter stretch from the final out of the second inning to the end of the fifth, he threw 4 balls.

He had 1 three-ball count and 3 two-ball counts. For 28 batters!
Watching pitchers with great stuff attack the zone is highly gratifying.
 

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He’s always had the stuff. Injuries have been a concern his entire career. Glad to see it all coming together at the right time. Loved this deal when it happened. Right now DD looks good on this deal. Beeks was overrated on here. Dude looks like a stiff.
 

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He’s always had the stuff. Injuries have been a concern his entire career. Glad to see it all coming together at the right time. Loved this deal when it happened. Right now DD looks good on this deal. Beeks was overrated on here. Dude looks like a stiff.
I wonder if they let him hit the open market or try to get something done before the end of the year? He's going to fetch a decent contract and there's no guarantee Pomeranz ever makes it back to the rotation. Johnson's been fine as a 5th/6th starter/swingman but I think Eovaldi's an easy upgrade over him (and Pomeranz) in that position. A rotation of Sale, Porcello, Price, Eovaldi, and Rodriguez seems pretty formidable and I'm sure they can find someone (even if it's someone like Wright or Johnson) to be the 6th starter/long reliever in spring training next year. Locking him up long-term seems like it would be a smart, proactive move that makes the offseason much easier to navigate in terms of need fulfillment. Plus it gives any good prospects at least a couple seasons or more to fully develop down in the minors rather than having to rush them up because of a sudden hole in the rotation. Some may not like the idea of 3 LHP in the rotation but it's worked well for them all season so far.
 

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Sorry? I'd ask, "What are you, new??" but I know you are not.

You respond to random-ass cartographical humor with the proper Latin idiom and explanation with linked citations?

This is peak message boarding right here. No apologies necessary, friend--quite the opposite.
 

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I don't think a pitcher coming off two Tommy Johns would ever get a contract longer than 3 years, so I think in that regard the risk wouldn't be as great if the Sox consider re-signing him.

There's quite a bit of money coming off the books next year and even with arbitration raises there will be money to play with and few holes to fill.
 

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I don't think a pitcher coming off two Tommy Johns would ever get a contract longer than 3 years, so I think in that regard the risk wouldn't be as great if the Sox consider re-signing him.

There's quite a bit of money coming off the books next year and even with arbitration raises there will be money to play with and few holes to fill.
I see Hanley at 23m. Kimbrel at 13m. Pomeranz at 8.5m.

A ton of players are in arb years, and they'll need a mid-rotation starter and a closer. Seems very doable.
 

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I don't think a pitcher coming off two Tommy Johns would ever get a contract longer than 3 years, so I think in that regard the risk wouldn't be as great if the Sox consider re-signing him.

There's quite a bit of money coming off the books next year and even with arbitration raises there will be money to play with and few holes to fill.
If the market is anything like last winter, where starters like Lance Lynn were expected to get 80-100 million and struggled to get one year deals—he would probably jump if we offered something like 3/36.
 

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I see Hanley at 23m. Kimbrel at 13m. Pomeranz at 8.5m.

A ton of players are in arb years, and they'll need a mid-rotation starter and a closer. Seems very doable.
Also Pearce at 6+, Kelly at 3.8, and they can save 2 mill on Nunez if they buy him out. Guessing Smith would be non-tendered as well.
 

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I see Hanley at 23m. Kimbrel at 13m. Pomeranz at 8.5m.

A ton of players are in arb years, and they'll need a mid-rotation starter and a closer. Seems very doable.
They’ll also need a RHH first baseman (Pearce-type) and, realistically, a second baseman.

It’s probably smart to just give Kelly’s role to Workman. I can’t see anyone counting on Carson Smith’s return.
 

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Also Pearce at 6+, Kelly at 3.8, and they can save 2 mill on Nunez if they buy him out. Guessing Smith would be non-tendered as well.
Arbitration for Betts, Xander, JBJ, Holt, Leon, Barnes, Hembree, Smith, Swihart, EdRod, Thornburg, Wright, and Workman should cost something like an additional $20-25. Sale winning a Cy bumps his figure up a million. Can’t tell if anyone cares about the tax threshold anymore.
 

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Also Pearce at 6+, Kelly at 3.8, and they can save 2 mill on Nunez if they buy him out. Guessing Smith would be non-tendered as well.
Bear in mind that's Pearce's full season salary, of which the Red Sox are paying only a portion. Their "savings" on him is only $1.5M.
 

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Its going to be fun to see where this thread goes when he gives up 6 with 3 hr in 4 innings to the Orioles
I don't think anybody expects him to stay lights out on a consistent basis.

Our farm is barren, the top 2 rotation guys are probably due for big FA money a little over a year from now, Edro is looking like he has a lot more Buchholz in him then some would ideally like, and an equal durability concern Wright turns 35yo next year. In all likelihood, the Sox are probably going to find themselves in the market for a decent to mid range upside starting pitcher sooner rather then latter. If getting an internal look helps better identify Eovaldi as that guy worth taking a reasonably priced flyer on going forward...great is all I was personally saying.
 

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I don't think anybody expects him to stay lights out on a consistent basis.

Our farm is barren, the top 2 rotation guys are probably due for big FA money a little over a year from now, Edro is looking like he has a lot more Buchholz in him then some would ideally like, and an equal durability concern Wright turns 35yo next year. In all likelihood, the Sox are probably going to find themselves in the market for a decent to mid range upside starting pitcher sooner rather then latter. If getting an internal look helps better identify Eovaldi as that guy worth taking a reasonably priced flyer on going forward...great is all I was personally saying.
Oh I know, I love the deal for both this year and possibly the next couple. And it blows my mind people are worried Beeks will turn into, what, a 5th starter with a 4.5 era on the cheap for the next 6 years? That wont fly in this market with this team in this championship window.

I was more poking fun at the posts about extending him if they will be the same wanting him off the postseason roster after a bad start
 

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I don't think anybody expects him to stay lights out on a consistent basis.
Oh what the hell - I'll be that guy. His stuff looks too good to be smoke-and-mirrors. He's got 5 pitches with a 4-seamer that averages north of 97 and maxes out at 99 and a very effective 93mph cutter. He doesn't strike an overwhelming number of guys (7.75/9) but he's got excellent control (1.13/9 which is 2nd in MLB behind Ross Stripling among starters with at least 70IP) and the combination gives him a very strong SIERA of 3.61 (26th/130 starters with 70+ IP - 2nd best on the Sox behind Sale).

And also consider that in his 12 starts this year he's faced the same team twice on four occasions. Each time his 2nd outing improved significantly over his first:

WSN
6/5 @WSN 5IP 4H 4R 1HR 1BB 4K - GS: 45
6/26 v WSN 6IP 1H 0R 0HR 2BB 9K - GS: 78

MIA
7/2 @Mia 6IP 8H 2R 1HR 1BB 5K - GS: 50
7/20 v Mia 6IP 6H 1R 1HR 0BB 8K - GS: 62

MIN
7/13 @Min 2.2IP 9H 8R 1HR 2BB 1K - GS: 4
7/29 v Min 7IP 4H 0R 0HR 0BB 5K - GS: 78

NYY
6/15 @NYY 7.1IP 8H 5R 1HR 1BB 5K - GS: 49
8/4 v NYY 8IP 3H 0R 0HR 1BB 4K - GS: 83
 

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Its going to be fun to see where this thread goes when he gives up 6 with 3 hr in 4 innings to the Orioles
Didn't go anywhere. Probably helps we won the game. I'd guess this is who he is. He'll have a few good games followed by a clunker. I'd still like the Sox to sign him for 2-3 years this off season though. I don't think he'll cost much at all due to past injuries keeping the price down. In today's launch angle climate, it's my belief that pitchers with low bb/9 will fair considerably better in this enviroment. With hitters getting more aggressive at the plate, guys like Rick Porcello and Eovaldi see their K rates spike while their bb rates stay the same, increasing their effectiveness considerably.
 

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Yeah if I came across as snarky I didn’t mean it. I was trying to make the point that he had 2 phenomenal starts and people were instantly wanting to give him a multi year deal. A lot depends on what that deal looks like. The problem I see is if he does well down the stretch and deep in the playoffs and some fringe playoff team throws 12-15 mi over 3-4 years I don’t want to match that gamble. This team shouldn’t be paying that kind of money for the 3/4 starter with the size of the payroll and all the young guys and Sale coming up for new deals. I’d rather hand the job to Johnson and see what he can do. Or a prospect similar to Beeks. While I love the trade, in a vacuum I think I’d rather have Beeks cheap for 6 years than NE for 4/60. That’s more to how poorly I view that kind of deal to NE than to the talents of Beeks
 

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The problem I see is if he does well down the stretch and deep in the playoffs and some fringe playoff team throws 12-15 mi over 3-4 years I don’t want to match that gamble. This team shouldn’t be paying that kind of money for the 3/4 starter with the size of the payroll and all the young guys and Sale coming up for new deals.
Mid tier pitchers are making that kind of money right now, so that price is about right. Mike Leake for example is being paid 5/80 Since they have nothing coming up in the system they will probably need to spend quite a lot for a 3 or a 4.

If Pomeranz had been good this year they'd likely be strongly considering him in 2019. Now they may have an alternative.
 

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Per Rob Bradford, PEDRO to the rescue

Cora said Pedro called to say he saw something with Eovaldi and is now in town lending a hand”
 

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Per Rob Bradford, PEDRO to the rescue

Cora said Pedro called to say he saw something with Eovaldi and is now in town lending a hand”
Saw some video on MLB Network of the discussion between Pedro and Eovaldi. I wasn't close enough to the TV to hear any narrative, but the video suggested that Pedro was talking to him about the follow thru of his rear leg
 

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So if he keeps this up during the post season

Is he a higher priority to resign than Kimbrel this offseason?
 

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So if he keeps this up during the post season

Is he a higher priority to resign than Kimbrel this offseason?
Whoa dude. We gotta wait a little while.... I've always been of the "no discussion of the offseason during the playoff season" mind. Got a lot to deal with between now and then...