Enes Kanter Freedom to Boston
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Not just any financial transaction, the article is about Alibaba placing a 2nd stock listing on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange. While originally planned in August, the move was postponed until now due to the protests. Digging a little, that orange might actually be signifying support of HK, from the WSJ article on the listing:
"Alibaba Group Holding Ltd.’s leaders used the code “Project Orange” to discuss the company’s blockbuster initial public offering in 2014. Now they are close to seeing the fruition of “Project Tangerine,” the internal name for their effort to raise up to $15 billion in a secondary listing in Hong Kong."
Slicker than grease is right.
Veteran’s Day too.
He Tweeted a video of him walking into the building where he shows his tongue to the camera as he walks by but does not speak.
I don't think that's accurate. Kaepernick and Kanter aren't speaking about the same countries.
It is pretty interesting to wonder what would happened if an immigrant from China joined the NBA and something similar happened.
I mean, Kanter is kinda the immigrant American dream.
I mean, not to re-litigate Kaepernick but a lot of people here don't like him because they perceive his remarks as anti-American or anti-police or whatever, but in Kanter's case his targets are not the US.
Lest we forget his troll game is strong.
View: https://twitter.com/eneskanter/status/1194845367260635136?s=21
View: https://twitter.com/eneskanter/status/1194845367260635136?s=21
No disagreement on my part (other than that those folks are obviously wrong), but I'd be interested to see how the NFL would handle a Kanter or a Morey.
They also were really bad defensively with him in the game.
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/HPbasketball/status/1194777796502904832
The effort seems to be there, but he's just so slow and stiff that he can't react to anything. Watching him try to contest shots is just kind of sad.
According to NBA.com, with Kanter playing, teams are averaging 60.7 points in the paint per 100 possessions, which is 12th worst (limiting to players with over 40 MP). Here is the chart of top 16 (cut off at 16 so as to include Cody Zeller). Interesting that 1/2 these guys have positive DWS (which includes Enes).
Player |
MIN |
DEF RTG |
DREB |
DREB% |
%DREB |
OPP PTS
2ND CHANCE |
OPP PTS
PAINT |
DEF
WS |
55.8 |
100.0 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
100.0 |
0.213 | |
54.7 |
100.0 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
40.0 |
80.0 |
0.269 | |
42.6 |
119.7 |
9.2 |
18.8 |
24.0 |
15.4 |
73.8 |
-0.060 | |
44.8 |
126.9 |
12.0 |
23.1 |
33.3 |
8.0 |
72.0 |
-0.168 | |
50.6 |
80.0 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
71.4 |
0.544 | |
47.2 |
117.2 |
10.3 |
21.4 |
30.0 |
3.4 |
69.0 |
-0.023 | |
46.4 |
119.7 |
1.8 |
3.8 |
6.3 |
24.6 |
66.7 |
-0.062 | |
51.7 |
70.0 |
33.3 |
50.0 |
60.0 |
0.0 |
66.7 |
0.738 | |
43.9 |
83.3 |
16.7 |
16.7 |
50.0 |
33.3 |
66.7 |
0.455 | |
50.6 |
133.3 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
0.0 |
66.7 |
-0.257 | |
46.5 |
137.5 |
3.7 |
9.7 |
12.5 |
4.9 |
63.4 |
-0.308 | |
46.1 |
109.9 |
8.2 |
16.9 |
27.0 |
8.2 |
60.7 |
0.081 | |
43.2 |
119.8 |
3.8 |
10.3 |
15.8 |
20.0 |
60.0 |
-0.057 | |
48.5 |
100.0 |
10.0 |
12.5 |
16.7 |
20.0 |
60.0 |
0.192 | |
47.0 |
111.4 |
4.8 |
10.5 |
16.0 |
11.9 |
59.0 |
0.060 | |
47.2 |
111.8 |
10.5 |
22.5 |
35.5 |
16.6 |
57.8 |
0.055 |
I’ll PM you the whole thing. Just remember: we don’t do politics in here unless it’s like, China having Morey thrown off a balcony, which is all the rage these days.
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https://nesn.com/2019/11/why-enes-kanter-believes-wwe-is-perfect-post-basketball-career-for-him/I posted this as soon as I saw it because I thought, could I love this man any more.
But then something caught my eye that is not in the NESN article.
Let’s try this inception style.
ENHANCE!!
I dunno, I mean, the guy’s obviously a great athlete, but I don’t know if he can handle the theatricality of pro wrestling.
But then something caught my eye that is not in the NESN article.
Let’s try this inception style.
ENHANCE!!
I dunno, I mean, the guy’s obviously a great athlete, but I don’t know if he can handle the theatricality of pro wrestling.
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Kanter ended up playing five minutes total in Phoenix and none in the second half when his minutes went to TimeLord and Granite.
The Suns are a bad match-up for him because of their length and the spacing ability of their wings/bigs (All of Australia, Oubre, Saric) but given the data posted upthread by WBCD from Matt Moore, Kanter's playing time will be noteworthy going forward. If the Williamses continue to play as they did in this game - especially Granite - its easy to see Kanter getting not much more than 5-10 minutes a night with a few DNPs mixed in.
Thus far, his defense, or lack thereof, overwhelms whatever offensive value he brings. Given Boston's size disadvantage as well as their other scoring options, Kanter really doesn't have a clear role on this roster.
The Suns are a bad match-up for him because of their length and the spacing ability of their wings/bigs (All of Australia, Oubre, Saric) but given the data posted upthread by WBCD from Matt Moore, Kanter's playing time will be noteworthy going forward. If the Williamses continue to play as they did in this game - especially Granite - its easy to see Kanter getting not much more than 5-10 minutes a night with a few DNPs mixed in.
Thus far, his defense, or lack thereof, overwhelms whatever offensive value he brings. Given Boston's size disadvantage as well as their other scoring options, Kanter really doesn't have a clear role on this roster.
A lot of this is a credit to TL: his rapid improvement is making Kanter look awful by comparison. But agree re Grant: he's a 100x better rim protector even giving up half a foot.
Fortunately, the Celtics need SOME salary ballast at some point, so maybe Kanter+a pick can be turned into something interesting. Basically everyone else on the roster is a plus contract right now.
Karalis commented on his podcast that Kanter wasn't getting out to contest Baynes threes, leading Stevens to yank him. The second half might have been more about Grant's reemergence.
Benhogan made similar comments in the game thread. I was as optimistic as anyone on Kanter coming into the season, largely based on the fact he's consistently shown some sort of improvement across his game since he entered the league, but his role looks like it will be limited on this roster. Last year I think he may have been a slightly better fit, but on a team that seems to be building its identity around a swarming defense anchored by Smart, Brown, and Tatum, he's a square peg in a round hole.
I was pleas from surprised with his ability to be competent against LAC. Keeping Theis and TL fresh/healthy is important, so they need Kanter to soak up some minutes of the regular season slog.
Exactly.
I wouldn't read too much into "couldn't challenge Baynes threes". If we ever need 30mpg regularly from Kanter, we're already fucked. Everyone knows that.
His job is to spell the other guys and occasionally add some second unit rebounds and post scoring.
P.s. if someone is in the mood to lay out fake trade scenarios, I'd love to read the one about how we get Baynes back using a third team.
Is that allowed? My (potentially completely wrong) reading of the rule was that they can’t reacquire him until next year.
I thought that we can if he passes through another team first. But even then, there are rules about how long he needs to be on that team probably.
After this week's game, I'm ready for the Mirabelli treatment. And I've actually been pleasantly surprised by Kanter exceeding my expectations. But everything else is going so well, dreams of AB in that big man rotation have me wondering.
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Yeah, like I said I had higher expectations than most for Kanter coming in and thought he might be able to seize a larger role. He was effective against the Clippers but only for 12 minutes, so his usefulness does seem match up dependent and that seems like it'll be his role on this squad.
YES, if he'll have us next year
a Theis, Baynes, TL 3-headed monster with the ever-improving Tatum/Brown would be EC favorites. Man-Bun is already in Embiid's skull
I guess a 3-way trade this season isn't allowed or even viable if PHX is in playoff contention (PHX missed AB's defense the last 2 games BTW)
Here's the relevant CBA language:
Suns would have to trade him to another team and have that team waive him before he could come back to Boston this season.
Thanks for confirming. In other words not happening this year.
The silver lining is we get to see plenty of Theis, TL, and EK...and maybe VP isn't a complete stiff. I'd still like to add injury insurance depth here, so if anyone has a cheap, defense-first 5 (Noel and Looney have my interest) feel free to throw them in the ring?
Who knows, maybe if Tacko continues to dominate in Maine, we'll get to see IF he can help the C's this year.
Don't give up that easily, ABH. That could happen if the Celtics FO wants to puppet master the whole thing.
It's Phoenix playing well that's the holdup at this point.
Thanks to DD for pulling up the details.
It's Phoenix playing well that's the holdup at this point.
Thanks to DD for pulling up the details.
Phoenix has cooled off after a hot start. Still plenty of time to re-establish their tanking ways.
He has a net + on off, is shooting well, and generating 2-3 extra possessions a game for them on the glass, yeah his interior defense has been bad at times, but I don't see how he's hurting them at all in the 15 or so minutes a game he's playing.
I don't think anyone thinks EK has hurt them. Brad has utilized Enes in a very efficient manner.
It was interesting in the LAC game, he came in and was great in very limited minutes. Seemed like Brad used him for maximum leverage in some certain lineups/matchups, without exposing him too much. Or got lucky, that's possible, too
Maybe it's just game threads, but it seems like every time he's in the game everyone thinks he's terrible and can't wait until he's out. Obviously he has limitations, but so does every Cs big or they wouldn't be playing 4/5 different guys at center a night.
It's possible that with time and use in the right situations, he will be fine. His contributions at the offensive end have been helpful.It was interesting in the LAC game, he came in and was great in very limited minutes. Seemed like Brad used him for maximum leverage in some certain lineups/matchups, without exposing him too much. Or got lucky, that's possible, too
Oh yea, there is a healthy amount of skepticism in regards to Enes defense, Kanter earned that over the years. BUT EK is very capable of getting easy buckets against 2nd string centers on the block, and he's done that. He has a nice 15mpg role on this team.
He's a good guy to root for, but I still like Theis and TL better. If the team has to use EK's salary to upgrade the team I'm all for it
Enes Kanter is an interesting player and I am fascinated by his usage (and still a bit disappointed in his defense which was well advertised to be poor) in today's NBA. I figured I would move the discussion here from the game-threads because its very likely that we have an ongoing dialogue about him as the season moves along. In this most recent game, we got the full Kanter effect in that he snagged 11 boards, scored 11 points and apparently got the Tommy award.
On the other hand, without the individual on/off data (note not raw +/-) from today's game online yet, I can only definitively say that I saw Kanter get routinely targeted and torched by the Knicks. When he checked out of the game for the final time at the 8:34 mark of the fourth for Kemba Walker, the Knicks were leading the Celtics by four after having been up for the entirety of the half. The Celtics then outscored the Knicks 26-13 the rest of the way.
First, both chilidawg and scottyno are absolutely correct in that Kanter's on/off entering the game was positive - its a testament to the Celtics usage of him. Per cleaningtheglass, his differential sat at +7.9 coming into today though he is also averaging only ~ 16.5 mpg compared to a low to mid-20s mpg average over the past few seasons. I will mine the data more and perhaps I am wrong however I think Stevens limiting Kanter's usage and going with a small rookie "big" down the stretch in this game and others tells you all you need to know about how the Celtics view him.
It will be very interesting to see what happens with Kanter as the season moves along - I can see a range of outcomes including him getting moved or cut if they can upgrade with a better defensive big to earning more minutes out of either improvement or desperation.
He really is a curious case of a player who would probably be averaging about 10 more MPG in the NBA of 20 years ago.
Pretty sure all of Theis, Kanter, and both Williams have closed close games down the stretch already this year, so I'm not sure what it tells you other than Brad likes different guys in different matchups and trusts all of them to close depending on the situation. Obvioulsy today he felt the need to up the defensive intensity down the stretch, which is clearly Kanter's weakness. The numbers simply don't back up any argument that he's killing them defensively so far this year. Would he if he was playing 30-35 minutes? Maybe, but I don't think anyone expected that when they signed him. So far this year he's given them a very good 15-20 minutes a game when healthy, which is a bargain for $5m.
I don't think he's getting cut (he has value), but his only role on this team is the one Stevens has carved out for him. I do think he's an asset in that role, though.