ECF Game 6 - Tired of this %*#*

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The Celts were up 6 in the 4th qtr-Smart didn't lose them the game in the 4th with his shot selection.

He was aggressive because no one else was,

They hit a wall and Bam smacked them hard and they had nothing left.
 

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You don’t trade Smart but it wouldn’t kill them to coach his shot selection for once.

Not that I blame him, others were ice cold and/or tentative. Him and Jaylen looked ready for the fight, others less so. I’d have been forcefeeding Jaylen in attack mode but of course they went away from it like they always do.
 

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Theis' return to the game was an absolute disaster. The game turned around completely when he re-entered; and the points given up all revolved around his man.
And, most likely it wouldn't have changed things, but why, oh why, did Brad take his challenge home with him. That was not a block on Smart and it would have given them a good minute to calm things down to boot.
Theis was a disaster for the entire series, except game 5. He was the worst player on the court at almost all times. I love Theis, but this series showed every one of his flaws and magnified them 100fold.

Of course, there is also the added deliciousness that nobody on Earth has ever been fucked by more bad calls than Daniel Theis. I'm not sure what he did to make them all hate him, but it's absolutely unbelievable the number of bad whistles he gets on a nightly basis.

TimeLord deserved more run in this series. Kanter did not. I will never believe otherwise. TL is going to make the leap, it's coming, and it's going to be glorious when he finally gets a chance to play. Brad's commitment to small ball, unfortunately, might mean that it happens elsewhere though.
 

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Theis is the Rodney Dangerfield of the NBA.

He is what he is, but plays hard, sets nice low-post screens and plays D and his 3s usually blow

but he get no respect, no respect at all.
 

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You don’t trade Smart but it wouldn’t kill them to coach his shot selection for once.

Not that I blame him, others were ice cold and/or tentative. Him and Jaylen looked ready for the fight, others less so. I’d have been forcefeeding Jaylen in attack mode but of course they went away from it like they always do.
If you could get Myles Turner for Smart would you do it? Turner would help this team out a lot.
 

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Brown only taking 7 of the 46 threes (4th most) is a problem as he was the most consistent long range option during the bubble, I thought.
And 46 threes is the biggest problem of all. They were at their best in this series when they were running and driving to the basket. Jacking up 46 threes is inexplicable. At least half of them were bad shot selection.
 

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I agree, and that bogus foul led to a Boston run. Funny how that happens. I still bet you couldn't name 2 more.
more importantly I can name, without even trying that hard, five fouls where Bam was not even hit..and often was over the back of the offensive player when he 'drew' a foul. Basically two early on Theis I believe in the first three possessions..where the contact was minimal at most.. and that was called far more often on the C's d. All of the fouls that Dragic drew by just falling down.. etc. You can name a couple gift calls for the C's..but you can also name a lot of times where there was minimal contact, that shouldn't be called a foul.. but then again it should be called the same both ways.

The NBA officiating is basically making the NBA into a high school product where it's become more about the calls and the officials and not enough about the amazing talent on the court.. let them play and give these games some flow.. the constant stop/start and now with 30 second reviews makes the game really frustrating to watch and, I imagine, to play.
 

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You don’t trade Smart but it wouldn’t kill them to coach his shot selection for once.

Not that I blame him, others were ice cold and/or tentative. Him and Jaylen looked ready for the fight, others less so. I’d have been forcefeeding Jaylen in attack mode but of course they went away from it like they always do.
I'm with you on coaching Smart. The C's need a better ball handling option when Kemba is off the court.. You just can't trust Smart to consistently initiate good offense when he's given the ball... he looks for his own shot way too often. On a night like tonite.. where he started out hot.. he's going to shoot even more. Maybe the answer isn't less Smart..but they need to play better team ball.. that's on the team and Brad.
 

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The NBA officiating is basically making the NBA into a high school product where it's become more about the calls and the officials and not enough about the amazing talent on the court.. let them play and give these games some flow.. the constant stop/start and now with 30 second reviews makes the game really frustrating to watch and, I imagine, to play.
Very much agree with this. There are theee simple things the NBA could do to make the product a ton better. (1) adopt the Elam ending - we saw how fun this was in the All Star game this year. (2) make it a league policy that borderline, close-call fouls aren’t going to be called anymore - yes, games will be a bit more rough but I’d gladly trade that for the constant ticky-tack fouls and constant flopping we currently have. (3) eliminate all instant replay, whether ref initiated or coach’s challenge - the reviews, particularly in the playoffs, are interminable and it seems like the refs still only get the call correct like 50% of the time. It shouldn’t be a crutch for the refs, if they are sure enough about a call, make it, and if not, don’t.
 

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I agree with Jaylen and I agree with @Captaincoop that not making the Finals this year given their path was an underachievement. Maybe 2018 was an easier path but that team had little business being in the ECF in the first place. I think this team is playing G1 on Wednesday if they played their game throughout the series instead of in 10 minute bursts here and there and coaching has to take some of if not most of the blame. Tonight especially it looked like they came out with a shitty game plan and went away from what made them successful in G5. IMO that’s all on Brad. Idk where I saw it but someone called Stevens Bradenholzer the other day and I guess I kind of see it. Both Milwaukee and Boston underachieved in the playoffs.
 

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I agree with Jaylen and I agree with @Captaincoop that not making the Finals this year given their path was an underachievement. Maybe 2018 was an easier path but that team had little business being in the ECF in the first place. I think this team is playing G1 on Wednesday if they played their game throughout the series instead of in 10 minute bursts here and there and coaching has to take some of if not most of the blame. Tonight especially it looked like they came out with a shitty game plan and went away from what made them successful in G5. IMO that’s all on Brad. Idk where I saw it but someone called Stevens Bradenholzer the other day and I guess I kind of see it. Both Milwaukee and Boston underachieved in the playoffs.
They had 14 and 17 point leads in the first 2 games which is why this is such a huge disappointment.
 

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They had 14 and 17 point leads in the first 2 games which is why this is such a huge disappointment.
The series was effectively lost in the 3rd quarter of Game 2. Just a ridiculous meltdown like we saw tonight. Win Game 2 and I firmly believe they win this series. Even getting it to Game 6 after that was a pretty good achievement.
 

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I honestly think it was lost when Bam stuffed Tatum at the rim in Game 1.
I dunno. That was a tough finish but if you come right back and beat them, you can shake it off pretty quickly. Either way, Miami just played with more confidence and it showed.
 

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The Celts were up 6 in the 4th qtr-Smart didn't lose them the game in the 4th with his shot selection.

He was aggressive because no one else was,

They hit a wall and Bam smacked them hard and they had nothing left.
This is the problem with those who complain about Smart's offense. Yet, he is susceptible to believing he really does have a hot hand. But all too often ain't no one else taking on the task of scoring.
When that does happen -- when you have 1 or two players taking the offensive initiative -- Smart can AND will settle down. Just look at game 5 for a good example!

And will making a big move net the Celts anything much better than letting their young players get better? Or hoping that Kemba can actually recover most of his qualities?

Hayward: he is star crossed. I can not believe he will ever be a consistent impact player on this team. But one must hope, since no one is going to take on his contract.
 

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Well we will never likely again have a situation where both the Celtics and Red Sox see their seasons end on the same exact day. One for the books, I suppose.
 

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This is the problem with those who complain about Smart's offense. Yet, he is susceptible to believing he really does have a hot hand. But all too often ain't no one else taking on the task of scoring.
When that does happen -- when you have 1 or two players taking the offensive initiative -- Smart can AND will settle down. Just look at game 5 for a good example!

And will making a big move net the Celts anything much better than letting their young players get better? Or hoping that Kemba can actually recover most of his qualities?

Hayward: he is star crossed. I can not believe he will ever be a consistent impact player on this team. But one must hope, since no one is going to take on his contract.
Smart is wide open a lot because the defense wants him to shoot.. often he’s the fifth best shooter on the floor for the Cs.. which means that there’s basically an extra guy out there to play help defense on everyone else. He also wastes a lot of time whenever he handles the ball and often calls his own number when he’s playing point. If he’s not playing lock down defense then he shouldn’t be on the floor nearly as much.

Beyond Tatum and Brown.. let’s see how the Williams’ develop as well.. Robert has potential to be a very solid player.. at the beginning of the year the C’s were running a lot of pick plays with him where they’d also give him the ball at the top of the key... he was a pretty solid passer out of those sets. We don’t fully know what we have with Grant either.

Brad has to look at his rotations as well.. i think he went way too long at times with the same lineup.. I’ll have to look but how many subs did he make in the fourth last night? And we’re those guys dog tired because they’d been in for too long? A TO may have helped too to call a decent play or just calm them down instead of a 20-4 run or whatever it was.
 

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Jaylen Brown is arguable the best player on the team and on offense he just feels like an afterthought. Probably not in his nature to demand the ball and take more shots. Obviously, Tatum is usually the guy, but they seem to go too many possessions without JB seeing the ball.

Hayward was just brutal. I know he's hurt and missed the birth of his child, but man, he looked awful. I can't remember where we were in the game when he missed a wide open 2 foot shot with no one around him, but it drove me crazy. We've been robbed of peak Hayward due to injuries. Huge bummer.

I'll watch very little, if any of the finals. The only silver lining is the Lakers will win in an empty gym and their douchey fans won't be there to see it.
 

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Smart took 22 shots and 13 3s. That's a problem.
Yes. As someone else said, he needs to be reined in a bit, especially on the threes.

Tough end to what was an awesome bubble run. Not sure if Timelord was not ready to guard Bam one-on-one but we sure as hell know that Theis never will be.