Durant to Phoenix

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Yeah, let them duke it out in the West. I'm totally fine with this, though I was not at all convinced that Brooklyn could beat the Celtics in a 7-game series. Still...I'm happy both KD and Kyrie are out of conference.

Crazy trade.
 

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So, is this a deal the Nets preferred to Jaylen? Or did KD put his thumb on the scale and force them to take a worse offer? Jaylen’s potential future contract has to scare people I’d guess. I know it scares me…
 

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The new Phoenix owner isn’t the patient type, I guess. Phoenix now becomes a prime destination for buyout guys looking for meaningful playing time on a contender. Assuming CP3 and KD can stay healthy, this team is going to be a difficult playoff out, especially if the buyout market improves them.
 

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So, is this a deal the Nets preferred to Jaylen? Or did KD put his thumb on the scale and force them to take a worse offer? Jaylen’s potential future contract has to scare people I’d guess. I know it scares me…
Given the uncertainty on Jaylen's contract, the number of unprotected picks, and the fact that Bridges and Johnson are pretty good, this is a much better offer.

I know Bridges and Johnson are (high-end) roleplayers, but those have 1st-rounder+ value themselves in trades if you need to tear down or restructure the roster or do a big trade of your own.

Jaylen + 3 picks probably tops it, since you can then put a team around Jaylen, but I doubt Brad was interested in that.
 

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The Suns have had a reputation of having a great medical/training staff. They’re going to need that with two thirds of their big three on the older side, with lots of NBA mileage.
 

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I doubt that the Celtics even offered Jaylen. Durant is getting up there in years, misses a lot of games and brings some baggage with him. The Celtics are one of the best teams in the league, teams in that position rarely send out one of their best players in a trade mid-season. I think Brooklyn leaked Jaylen's name just to up the asking price from other teams.
 

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Have to imagine they will try to deal Crowder if they can.

This Nets team is a great supporting cast if they could just find 1-2 star players.... Alas.
I imagine they would be open to dealing just about anyone if they could get the necessary return.

I'm surprised there hasn't been more movement as there a ton of guys on bad teams (now even more!) who could help contenders. Maybe that means that today will be bonkers.
 

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I doubt that the Celtics even offered Jaylen. Durant is getting up there in years, misses a lot of games and brings some baggage with him. The Celtics are one of the best teams in the league, teams in that position rarely send out one of their best players in a trade mid-season. I think Brooklyn leaked Jaylen's name just to up the asking price from other teams.
Well, this is for another thread moving forward, but it seems the two options for Jaylen will be him walking after next season or Celtics paying him 58 million a year. I think there’s a pretty decent chance he gets traded, which I suppose is the 3rd option. Anyway, it’s intriguing, and I have no idea how it ends.
 

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Simmons being the last man standing (in a dumb outfit, no doubt) in BK and having no value is so funny to me.

Edit: I would be into a Crowder reunion for the versatility/depth although the memory of Ae Crowder does linger.
 

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Looks a lot like Boston and Milwaukee in a class by themselves. Philly's roster just isn't good enough to make you pay consistently for helping hard on Embiid.
The Cs are catching a small break here because they are done playing the Suns whereas Milwaukee has yet to play their two games with the Suns.
 

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That is my guess as well.

Great get for Phoenix. They didn't have to surrender any of their stars and the draft capital seems fair given the size of the trade.
Yeah, it’s really just a no brainer. A team like Phoenix can make that trade with no immediate risk and without it they aren’t going to win a title anyways. So now they have a couple more bites at the apple, and can probably even contend as Paul winds down.
 

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I get Phoenix went all in with the trade. Durant's age and health really scare me as far as if he is going to be KEVIN DURANT in the playoffs this year and moving forward so the picks they gave up will hurt. They are also really short on defense, shipping out two very good, big defensive wings (not counting Crowder) who can also shoot it. In the NBA you win with offensive talent but you also win with a strong rotation and having few weak links, especially on defense, and I'm not sure if the Suns have that kind of depth. But the West is wide-open so now is a great time to go for it.
 

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Yeah, it’s really just a no brainer. A team like Phoenix can make that trade with no immediate risk and without it they aren’t going to win a title anyways. So now they have a couple more bites at the apple, and can probably even contend as Paul winds down.
If you're going to move this many picks, Durant is the type of guy that you do it for.

It's a good haul for Brooklyn too. Four unprotected picks and Bridges/Johnson is fantastic.

The NBA drama never disappoints.
 

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If you're going to move this many picks, Durant is the type of guy that you do it for.

It's a good haul for Brooklyn too. Four unprotected picks and Bridges/Johnson is fantastic.

The NBA drama never disappoints.
Yep a pick haul for Durant makes complete sense

or Gobert :eek:

Connelly needs to report to the Principle's office.
 

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Yep a pick haul for Durant makes complete sense

or Gobert :eek:

Connelly needs to report to the Principle's office.
I have no idea what he's doing either, but in this particular trade, he chose the correct guard IMO. Not just as a player but for the locker room. Westbrook is too intense for those cream puffs, but DLo only adds to the soft problem. Conley is the right guy.

Of course if he cared about chemistry, he wouldn't have brought in Rudy. ;)
 

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Yep a pick haul for Durant makes complete sense

or Gobert :eek:

Connelly needs to report to the Principle's office.
I have a theory that Ainge bent a little on the Lakers deal to get teams to deal with him again. He pulled off the two biggest heists of the last decade with the Nets and the Gobert deal. Plus hustling Philly on Fultz/Tatum.
 

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The sentiment here is very different because the celtics a toss up to be in the finals with the Bucks. In the west, the rest of us feel like it's over and just rooting for injuries at this point
 

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New owner sounds like the kind of guy who will call a press conf to apologize after the Suns first loss on his watch.
 

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You have admire Joe Tsai, Sean Marks and the Brooklyn organization. This took real cojones to recognize that the ride was over and it was time to cash in their chips. Sean Marks did an excellent job putting a team together before they brought in KD and Kyrie and I expect he can do it again.
I wonder if Kenny Atkinson is available?
So, who wins a championship first, KD? Kyrie? Or the Nets?
 

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yeah, Durant, Paul, Kyrie Booker and a couple guys from the local Y is still a pretty strong contender for the West, especially if Golden State doesn't get it together.

edit: and this understates their roster. Ayton isn't living up to his #1-pick status, but he's a good player, a Darko +0.8. They did just trade their #3 (Johnson, +1.3) and #7 (Bridges, +0.7) players by DPM, though. So they're a lot thinner at NBA-starter-level players.
 
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"look forward to seeing him more"... he was your fucking teammate last week.
Am I the only one who took this as a dig to Durant being injured and around the team? Funny if true…..even funnier coming from Kyrie.
 

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yeah, Durant, Paul, Kyrie and a couple guys from the local Y is still a pretty strong contender for the West, especially if Golden State doesn't get it together.
I'm not sure, but my immediate impression is that GS may be in serious trouble. They've been mediocre all year, with or without Curry, and now he's out for a big chunk of time, AND an the Lakers and the Suns are substantially beefed up.
 

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Am I the only one who took this as a dig to Durant being injured and around the team? Funny if true…..even funnier coming from Kyrie.
You can never tell with the guy. He seems a lot of the time to have absolutely no idea what normal syntax looks like, nevermind what the words he's using mean. He may have just meant "I like KD and look forward to seeing him," he may have meant what you're inferring. I'd need a third eye to be interpretively sure
 

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I'm not as high on the Suns now as most people. Even assuming health, the NBA playoffs is all about hunting mismatches and ignoring players with limited offensive skills; the Suns are really top heavy at the moment and I think those weaknesses would be exploited badly in the playoffs. Maybe Durant/Booker scoring is just unstoppable (assuming health) but I could see them burning out suddenly.

The Nets did what I thought would be a wise move. It sucks to wave the white flag on KD, but they needed to get off the roller coaster. Now they have picks and assets and can start the path on a sustainable rebuild. Cam Thomas scoring a lot lately is already a little positive sign for a better tomorrow.
 

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yeah, Durant, Paul, Kyrie and a couple guys from the local Y is still a pretty strong contender for the West, especially if Golden State doesn't get it together.

edit: and this understates their roster. Ayton isn't living up to his #1-pick status, but he's a good player, a Darko +0.8. They did just trade their #3 (Johnson, +1.3) and #7 (Bridges, +0.7) players by DPM, though. So they're a lot thinner at NBA-starter-level players.
Booker
 

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I'm not as high on the Suns now as most people. Even assuming health, the NBA playoffs is all about hunting mismatches and ignoring players with limited offensive skills; the Suns are really top heavy at the moment and I think those weaknesses would be exploited badly in the playoffs. Maybe Durant/Booker scoring is just unstoppable (assuming health) but I could see them burning out suddenly.

The Nets did what I thought would be a wise move. It sucks to wave the white flag on KD, but they needed to get off the roller coaster. Now they have picks and assets and can start the path on a sustainable rebuild. Cam Thomas scoring a lot lately is already a little positive sign for a better tomorrow.
I wonder if they lose some luster as a destination franchise after all of this. They managed to hook two top 10 players and that failed rather spectacularly. We can blame it on Kyrie but I'm not sure the players will all feel that way. They likely won't have the draft capital to build that way, so it'll have to be trades and FA, primarily. I'm sure they'll still spend but it will be interesting to watch. It's kind of a redux from the immediate post-Garnett, PP years, where Marks was very good but the team still was far from championship caliber.
 

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I wonder if they lose some luster as a destination franchise after all of this. They managed to hook two top 10 players and that failed rather spectacularly. We can blame it on Kyrie but I'm not sure the players will all feel that way. They likely won't have the draft capital to build that way, so it'll have to be trades and FA, primarily. I'm sure they'll still spend but it will be interesting to watch. It's kind of a redux from the immediate post-Garnett, PP years, where Marks was very good but the team still was far from championship caliber.
Not likely. If they remember anything, it’s that they catered to the stars and when they asked out, they were traded. KD even got to go to his first choice.
The other thing is that they have what every destination franchise needs, money and lots of it.
 

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I just think it’s funny that Jae Crowder saw his minutes blocked, demanded a trade, finally got traded, and is still blocked….by the same players.
 

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Christ, what an error. Got NBA Overdose Brain over here.
The point you made is still dubious though :)

While CP3, Booker, and Durant is a formidable top three, you need to round out your roster with more than stiffs. BOS has a comparable top three in Tatum, Brown, and take your pick of Smart/Horford/Timelord/Kornet and we can see what a difference having the Grants/Whites/Brogdons of the world makes.
 

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The point you made is still dubious though :)

While CP3, Booker, and Durant is a formidable top three, you need to round out your roster with more than stiffs. BOS has a comparable top three in Tatum, Brown, and take your pick of Smart/Horford/Timelord/Kornet and we can see what a difference having the Grants/Whites/Brogdons of the world makes.
First, I wish Phoenix had traded Cam Payne to Brooklyn, too, and the Nets should also have gotten Cam Reddish, to corner the Cam market.

Second, Ayton gives them a strong top four, but it looks like it drops off pretty quickly after that.
 

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We swept him last year and we'll sweep him again if he shows up this year
 

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If this Durant trade happens first, does Kyrie still go to the Mavs?

DFS and Dinwiddie are alright but still don't seem like particularly valuable pieces for a rebuilding team.

Have to assume they would have gone simply for the most draft capital.
 

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If this Durant trade happens first, does Kyrie still go to the Mavs?

DFS and Dinwiddie are alright but still don't seem like particularly valuable pieces for a rebuilding team.

Have to assume they would have gone simply for the most draft capital.
They don't really have much use for their own pick for a while...so maybe? Where there's an explanation, it's probably a guesstimation.

2023
* Own 1st (Rockets have swap rights with Nets, Nets then have swap rights with 76ers, so not 100% guaranteed...but a pretty sure thing)
* Suns 1st
* 76ers 2nd (least favorable of their own, Hawks, or 76ers 2nd)

2024
* No picks (Rockets have their 1st, Pacers have their 2nd)

2025
* 1st (complicated swap involving the Rockets getting to swap with the Thunder, and then swap the worst of those 2 picks with the Nets, unless the Thunder pick doesn't convey, but regardless they are picking behind the Rockets that year)
* Suns 1st
* Heat 2nd (unless it's top 37, then it goes to the Pacers)

2026
* Nets 2nd (Rockets have their 1st)

2027
* 1st (Rockets have swap rights)
* Suns 1st
* Mavs 2nd

2028
* 1st (swap rights with Suns)
* Own 2nd

2029
* Own 1st
* Mavs 1st
* Suns 1st
* Own 2nd
* Mavs 2nd

So basically they don't control their own 1st until 2028, & don't have their own 2nd until 2026.
 

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If this Durant trade happens first, does Kyrie still go to the Mavs?

DFS and Dinwiddie are alright but still don't seem like particularly valuable pieces for a rebuilding team.

Have to assume they would have gone simply for the most draft capital.
I thought about this too. The Nets must have been engaged in serious talks with the Suns when they pulled the trigger on the Kyrie deal. And that Kyrie deal looks less great now than it did a couple days ago.

My guess: the Nets thought dealing Kyrie for picks would kill their leverage with the Suns, the Lakers weren’t willing to wait until the last minute to deal and risk not getting an upgrade, and no one else was offering unprotected picks for Kyrie. So the Nets sent Kyrie to Dallas, and Tsai was a bit miffed and got in a dig about not wanting to send Kyrie to LA.