Dunn+Edwards to Memphis
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The Grizz had too many players (17) on their roster before this deal according to this prescient article, so I suspect neither Dunn nor Edwards will be on the team long-term.
So maybe the C's were indeed showcasing Carsen in Vegas, as we speculated. Whatever the case, I'm thrilled with this.
I think he's the best player in the deal. He was pretty rough last year, but that's a strange season on a terrible dysfunctional team. He was solidly average for a bench PF in DEN
Close to salary neutral, 7.5M for JH and Dunn/Carsen add up to about 7M. All 1 year left unless I missed something.
Helps with our glut of guards for sure, makes sense for both teams.
Agree JH likely the player most likely to contribute to the Celtics this year of the 3. We are thin competent forwards and he might not suck which is a plus.
Helps with our glut of guards for sure, makes sense for both teams.
Agree JH likely the player most likely to contribute to the Celtics this year of the 3. We are thin competent forwards and he might not suck which is a plus.
Edwards will never make the leap. As a PC guy, I hope Dunn gets one more contract. I was sort of excited to see a defensive backcourt of Smart and Dunn, but this is a defensible move.
Good trade of excess for excess. I keep on hearing that Hernangomez is a 35% 3point "floor spacer"; however, is that really the case? In his career, he has had significant variability in his shooting %s. His FT% has also declined from when he first started in the league.
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Looking forward to Edwards lighting up the Celtics every time he plays them for the next eight years.
Can Hernangomez play center, or is he really locked in at the 4?
Can Hernangomez play center, or is he really locked in at the 4?
We turned ~nothing into a tad more than nothing. Seems fine. Good layer of depth.
"Non-guaranteed" year is odd. It guarantees on 6/30/22. How does that differ from a team option?
Also, I saw a post above saying JH was $7.5m, but I think he's $7m this year with the option next year being for $7.5m. Maybe there is a trade kicker or something I am missing, though.
JH is 6'9 & does not block shots & is a so-so rebounder. He would not be much use at center.
"Non-guaranteed" year is odd. It guarantees on 6/30/22. How does that differ from a team option?
Also, I saw a post above saying JH was $7.5m, but I think he's $7m this year with the option next year being for $7.5m. Maybe there is a trade kicker or something I am missing, though.
JH is 6'9 & does not block shots & is a so-so rebounder. He would not be much use at center.
CBS constantly bemoaned the team's lack of size last season, especially at the guard spots. I really wouldn't be surprised if PBS shipped out Pritchard as well, no one under 6-3 is safe (I'm joking, but only because it is easier to hide just PP than it was to hide PP plus Kemba, Carson, Waters, and the rest of the smurfs).
Closing backcourt of some combo of JB, Smart, Richardson, Schroder, should be so much better defensively than what they were rolling out at the end of last season. Any contributions from Romeo or Nesmith would be a nice bonus.
Closing backcourt of some combo of JB, Smart, Richardson, Schroder, should be so much better defensively than what they were rolling out at the end of last season. Any contributions from Romeo or Nesmith would be a nice bonus.
Dunn had some upside as a rotation guard with defensive capability, but given his health that was always iffy and evaporated once Smart resigned. Getting a more useful part for the roster for him (and dumping Carsen's deal) is a win.
They are going to need PP's shooting, which appears to be far better than the rest of the Smurfs.
Even if he is, he's a useful smurf. He's Three Ball Smurf. The other 3 are Injury Smurf, Useless Smurf and Garbage Time Smurf.
Celtics have TL/Al/Enes/Bruno.
Doubt there will be many lineups with Juancho without 1 of them, especially as they don't really employ any actual PFs who can rim protect to save their lives.
Juancho & Enes sounds like a disaster lineup, too, let's not do that one.
Doubt there will be many lineups with Juancho without 1 of them, especially as they don't really employ any actual PFs who can rim protect to save their lives.
Juancho & Enes sounds like a disaster lineup, too, let's not do that one.
Always been a Juancho fan. Wanted him a couple years ago when it looked like he had no place on DEN. I think he can play some small ball 5 in a few matchups, but in general he will just be the stretch 4 we have always wanted (let's hope he makes 40% of his threes)
Frees up a spot for IT’s triumphant return… coming full circle and cancelling all bad karma created by bringing in Kyrie.
In all seriousness, everyone thinks IT is toast (and he very likely is), but he did have a fairly definitive procedure to treat his arthritis.
He may actually be pain free and there is a non-zero chance he could score at an NBA level again.
He’ll always suck at D and almost certainly shouldn’t be a rotation guy, but he is desperate for a job and it wouldn’t be quite as crazy as it was 2 years ago.
HA. I was thinking in terms of "Edwards lighting up the Celtics every time he plays them for the next eight years"
Casen's destiny is Euro star with the ball in his hands all the time.Hernangomez is an experienced 4/5 in case Grant re-upped his Chipotle Platinum Card this summer.
as others have stated, next year is non-guaranteed for JH. That option has additional value for matching + performance uptick
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/memphis-grizzlies/juan-hernangomez-20220/
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IIRC he was the guy Ainge wanted in the draft that year but had to pivot to Yabusele when Denver grabbed him.
Nice little deal here. People shouldn't be surprised when the team is a lot better this year simply from having a bench of players that can actually do stuff on an NBA court.
Weird use of picks that year...
I don't really remember why we were draft & stashing (Yabusele + Zizic) but still making like 5 2nd round picks*. Was it cap reasons?
It's amazing that team was 53-29 with Avery Bradley being their 2nd leading scorer behind IT.
* Literally 3 - they traded 31 & 35 to the Grizzlies for a future Clippers protected 1st which became the 2019 20th pick, which the 76ers used to take Matisse Thybulle so we could draft Ty Jerome & Carsen Edwards (just traded to the Grizzlies today), & then use Ty Jerome to get off Aron Baynes' contract & get the 2020 Bucks 1st from the Suns which became the 30th pick, who became Desmond Bane... who they traded to the Grizzlies in a 3-team trade to dump Kanter & get 2 future 2nds - 1 of which I think is some weird conditional 2023 2nd & the other which it looks like they don't have anymore.
Yeah. Not long and athletic everywhere, but definitely long or athletic everywhere.
Except PP.
I was watching a YouTube clip of Tatum’s side step threes and noticed how many times he went right at the Denver Hernangomez, raining buckets over his outstretched, futility waved hands.
Good trade though. I was totally sick of seeing “Arsen” Edwards dent the rim.
Good trade though. I was totally sick of seeing “Arsen” Edwards dent the rim.
I see this as giving up upside for fit and cap management, with the latter probably mattering more. We probably got the best player in the deal, but we got a 12th man for two long odds lottery tickets. But we also had a need for depth at the 4 and we filled that with a viable but bad NBA player while trimming our roster to 15 and adding a potential salary that could be used in a trade next offseason or that we can walk away from (I cannot imagine a scenario where we guarantee Juancho other that to use in a trade because he’s not worth more than the league min.)
This is definitely a win win trade. Dunn and Edwards are long shots to contribute but both have more upside. Dunn has great defensive ability but the last thing the Celtics already have Dunn’s ceiling in Smart and his 90th percentile projection in Richardson so they really don’t need him. Edwards could still develop into a Lou Williams type instant offense player but he was never going to get the rope to do that in Boston and I’m also pretty sure Stevens is on a mission to eliminate undersized guards from his roster after living through scheming around them for his entire tenure as a coach.
That last point might be the most significant. This is further confirmation that Stevens does not believe in undersized or offense only point guards and wants to rid his roster of them. I view that as a positive.
This is definitely a win win trade. Dunn and Edwards are long shots to contribute but both have more upside. Dunn has great defensive ability but the last thing the Celtics already have Dunn’s ceiling in Smart and his 90th percentile projection in Richardson so they really don’t need him. Edwards could still develop into a Lou Williams type instant offense player but he was never going to get the rope to do that in Boston and I’m also pretty sure Stevens is on a mission to eliminate undersized guards from his roster after living through scheming around them for his entire tenure as a coach.
That last point might be the most significant. This is further confirmation that Stevens does not believe in undersized or offense only point guards and wants to rid his roster of them. I view that as a positive.
Dunn is 27, Hernangomez is 25, and Edwards is 23. I don't really see Dunn/Edwards as high upside lottery tickets compared to JH to be honest. Seems like an appropriate reshuffling of the deck to me.
We didn't need more guards and Hernangomez could have a fringe rotation role here. More competition for Grant is a good thing.
We didn't need more guards and Hernangomez could have a fringe rotation role here. More competition for Grant is a good thing.
He's got better around-the-basket moves than Olynyk, and a more impressive dunk certainly. I was initially kind of high on this guy years back, but he kind of faded from view. I know it's been said multiple times, but from a roster construction standpoint, this trade makes a lot of sense. And I'm certainly encouraged that Brad is holding a fire sale on the Smurfs.
I don't really see the KO comparison. KO has been a significantly better defensive player & more efficient offensive player on higher usage. Statistically Juancho profiles as a fairly passive player. Low blocks, low steals, low usage, low fouls.
One thing I like about Juancho is that he's 40% on corner 3s for his career so he might spend a good amount of time out there.
One thing I like about Juancho is that he's 40% on corner 3s for his career so he might spend a good amount of time out there.