Drew v. 2.0

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Mighty Joe Young

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I found this interesting quote from Boras on MLBTR yesterday 
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/pagetwo.html

 
According to Adam Rubin of ESPNNewYork.com, Mets GM Sandy Alderson acknowledged that his team appears to be a logical landing spot for Drew, but the team has made its own cost-benefit evaluation and acted accordingly to this point. Alderson opined the Drew and agent Scott Boras "are reviewing the situation and perhaps looking at a strategy that prolongs this situation into the regular season or even into June."
 
 
 
This kind of implies that Boras is trying to work out a contract where Drew doesn't sign with the Mets until after the draft 0 insuring they won't lose a pick/slot money) . More or less a hand shake deal ..
 

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BCsMightyJoeYoung said:
I found this interesting quote from Boras on MLBTR yesterday 
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/pagetwo.html
 
 
This kind of implies that Boras is trying to work out a contract where Drew doesn't sign with the Mets until after the draft 0 insuring they won't lose a pick/slot money) . More or less a hand shake deal ..
 
 
The second aspect is just delaying the signing to the opening day.  Once that happens Drew can't be given a QA by the Mets, meaning he can sign a one year deal but without the risk of being in the same situation again next year.
 

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Steve Dillard said:
 
 
The second aspect is just delaying the signing to the opening day.  Once that happens Drew can't be given a QA by the Mets, meaning he can sign a one year deal but without the risk of being in the same situation again next year.
 
My understanding is that he can't receive a second consecutive QA in any case.  Could be wrong.
 

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My understanding is that he can't receive a second consecutive QA in any case.  Could be wrong.
 
I think that is a proposal that is getting kicked around (that player can only get a QA once).  It is not a current rule.  
 

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If I were Drew and all I had were one-year offers anyway, I might be willing to take a really low-ball deal from the Pirates, Reds, or Royals--all of whom have shortstops that might OPS below 650 with OBP well below 300--and try to be again the primary shortstop on a winning team that gets back to the playoffs.  None of them is going to drop a QO on him, knowing he'd accept and blow their budget.  I would think whatever the difference between what the Mets are offering and what they'd pay would be made up in the next contract.
 

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Maybe I am misreading it, but my thoughts on the Alderson quote are that Boras is interested in doing that instead of negotiating a deal with the Mets, and to potentially open things up to more teams.  Waiting until June highly decreases the Mets as a fit, since they will be out of it, and since their advantage of forfeiting a 3rd round pick compared to other teams' first rounder is nullified.  A delay to June would push him towards a contender with an injury or underperforming shortstop most likely.
 
I'm enjoying this in an anti-Boras way, but I do think Drew is a good guy.  I also think that if the Mets want to win and have any budget flexibility, they are still going to sign him, but without another obvious team they can benefit by putting the heat on him and waiting on a lower offer (although run the risk of a Victor Martinez treadmill injury competitor emerging).  Baseball players don't all look forward to February, but as days in March start going by, I think Drew will find it harder to sit and not play.
 

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New York Daily News be trollin
 
 
 
IT'S A MADD MADD WORLD...
-- It may be that Scott (Avenging Agent) Boras’ patience with free agent shortstop Stephen Drew will be rewarded after all — by his old club. The Red Sox are growing increasingly concerned about Will Middlebrooks’ play at third — both offensively and defensively — this spring, and although they’re still sticking with the plan of having a homegrown left side of the infield, with rookie Xander Bogaerts at short, there have been renewed internal discussions about bringing back Drew, who turned down their $14.1 million qualifying offer. Most baseball people believe that, at this point to save face, Boras would take a two-year/$20 million offer for Drew. Said one Red Sox insider: “They want to go with the organization kids but at some point if (Middlebrooks) isn’t cutting it and one of the best defensive shortstops is still out there, and you want to win, you go back to Plan A, which was Drew at short and Bogaerts back to third.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/madden-cano-asks-m-a-rod-texas-article-1.1715265#ixzz2vVt4hoMq
 

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New York Daily News be trollin
 
Still think he goes to the Mets, if Ruben Tejada continues to play sloppy, They need him more then we do..
 

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Still think he goes to the Mets, if Ruben Tejada continues to play sloppy, They need him more then we do..
 
If the Mets sign Drew, how much does their percentage chance of making the playoffs this year increase?
 

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If the Mets sign Drew, how much does their percentage chance of making the playoffs this year increase?
And how many incremental tickets are they going to sell?
 

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If the Mets sign Drew, how much does their percentage chance of making the playoffs this year increase?
 
Hard to say.  According to the FG article linked below the NL East is probably the weakest division in baseball, and with the additional wild card, who knows. 
 
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/finding-the-toughest-and-weakest-divisions/
 
Looking at BP's projected standings 84 W's gets you the 2nd WC spot.  Mets are projected to win  73 but there are pretty wide error bands with these projections as we saw last year with the Red Sox.   Drew makes them a couple of wins better.   If you don't try to get better of course your chances of making the playoffs are smaller.
 

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“They want to go with the organization kids but at some point if (Middlebrooks) isn’t cutting it and one of the best defensive shortstops is still out there, and you want to win, you go back to Plan A, which was Drew at short and Bogaerts back to third.”
 
 
Is it wrong of me to think that writers should know what the hell the goddamn words mean before they use them?
 
One doesn't go back to Plan A. Plan A is the one that you try to make happen first. That's why it's got an A, because it's the first goddamn letter in the goddamn alphabet you stupid fucking hack. If Drew were Plan A, the Sox would have made a multi year offer and Drew probably would have accepted it. That they have not yet done so and we're into the second week of games means that, by defifuckingnition, it wasn't Plan A. 
 
Also, the thought of signing Drew and having Middlebrooks tear up the bucket is making my nipples hard.
 

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Sampo Gida said:
 
Hard to say.  According to the FG article linked below the NL East is probably the weakest division in baseball, and with the additional wild card, who knows. 
 
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/finding-the-toughest-and-weakest-divisions/
 
Looking at BP's projected standings 84 W's gets you the 2nd WC spot.  Mets are projected to win  73 but there are pretty wide error bands with these projections as we saw last year with the Red Sox.   Drew makes them a couple of wins better.   If you don't try to get better of course your chances of making the playoffs are smaller.
 
That's not really a fair statement.  Yes, the Braves have the 5th highest mean projected win total in the NL at 84 wins.  However, some teams will overperform their projections and some teams will underperform their projections, netting out to a wider spread of actual results than forecasted results.  In the 16 years since expansion, the 5th best team in the NL has averaged 88.4 wins (with both a median and mode of 88), which is probably a more reasonable estimate.
 

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Hoplite said:
New York Daily News be trollin
 
 
Why is the 'Red Sox insider' talking about the team in the third-person plural?  Doesn't seem like that person is very far 'inside'.
 

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JimD said:
 
Why is the 'Red Sox insider' talking about the team in the third-person plural?  Doesn't seem like that person is very far 'inside'.
That's probably just a loose defintion of the word "insider."  Methinks that Madden is relying on somone like Our Nicky or some other actual outsider who is theoretically is more of an insider than a writer for the NY Daily News.
 

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JimD said:
 
Why is the 'Red Sox insider' talking about the team in the third-person plural?  Doesn't seem like that person is very far 'inside'.
 
I dunno, seems plausible that it could be someone who's inside enough to be pretty well informed about the personnel conversations, but not directly involved in them. If somebody asked the Dentist that question, for instance, I could see him answering it that way. "They" meaning specifically Ben and the other senior baseball ops people (and maybe ownership), not the organization as a whole.
 

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Rasputin said:
 
Is it wrong of me to think that writers should know what the hell the goddamn words mean before they use them?
 
One doesn't go back to Plan A. Plan A is the one that you try to make happen first. That's why it's got an A, because it's the first goddamn letter in the goddamn alphabet you stupid fucking hack. If Drew were Plan A, the Sox would have made a multi year offer and Drew probably would have accepted it. That they have not yet done so and we're into the second week of games means that, by defifuckingnition, it wasn't Plan A. 
 
Also, the thought of signing Drew and having Middlebrooks tear up the bucket is making my nipples hard.
Cutting the writer some, perhaps undeserved, slack you could make a case for that as Plan A because it is what would have happened if Drew accepted the QA. Once he turned it down they then went to Plan B.
We assume the RedSox didn't think this would happen but they knew it was possbile.
 

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Cutting the writer some, perhaps undeserved, slack you could make a case for that as Plan A because it is what would have happened if Drew accepted the QA. Once he turned it down they then went to Plan B.
We assume the RedSox didn't think this would happen but they knew it was possbile.
 
Just no. A writer who thinks the Sox made the QO because Plan A was having Drew on a one year, fourteen million dollar contract moves his lips when he reads.
 

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Rasputin said:
 
Just no. A writer who thinks the Sox made the QO because Plan A was having Drew on a one year, fourteen million dollar contract moves his lips when he reads.
 
The Cafardos of the world practically always defer to veteran players over rookies (as do most players for that matter). Their money is made through developing relationships with these guys .. so is it that hard to believe that Nickie would think that Drew was the Sox's first preference?  
 

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BCsMightyJoeYoung said:
 
The Cafardos of the world practically always defer to veteran players over rookies (as do most players for that matter). Their money is made through developing relationships with these guys .. so is it that hard to believe that Nickie would think that Drew was the Sox's first preference?  
 
It's very easy to think Cafardo would think something stupid.
 

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Rasputin said:
 
It's very easy to think Cafardo would think something stupid.
 
I'm not disagreeing with you - but there are reasons why your Veteran Sportswriters /Ink Stained Wretches of the world think the way they do. These guys aren't analysts - or even pretend to be. (or , at least, not usually)
 

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BCsMightyJoeYoung said:
 
I'm not disagreeing with you - but there are reasons why your Veteran Sportswriters /Ink Stained Wretches of the world think the way they do. These guys aren't analysts - or even pretend to be. (or , at least, not usually)
 
Um, so? Am I supposed to think more of them because they're idiots?
 
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