Dougie Hamilton traded to Calgary - signed for 6 x $5.75

AgentOrange · Jun 28, 2015

The other members of the Bruins can't play with Dougie because he doesn't hang out with them enough off of the ice? That's beyond hilarious.

Look, the Bruins demand a happy medium from their players in terms of partying: party too much and you're gone, but you damn sure better be partying with your teammates some. Aristotle's golden mean of partying.

Salem's Lot · Jun 28, 2015

This is such bullshit. The kid was at every charity event. Every time they went to a hospital to visit kids he'd be in the group. The kid wanted more money then they wanted to give him so they traded him. I'm sure if he wanted $5 million for 7 years his uppity ness wouldn't be an issue.

PedroSpecialK · Jun 28, 2015

I would have taken 6/$7.5m in a heartbeat.

Jesus christ

MiracleOfO2704 · Jun 28, 2015

Salem said:
This is such bullshit. The kid was at every charity event. Every time they went to a hospital to visit kids he'd be in the group. The kid wanted more money then they wanted to give him so they traded him. I'm sure if he wanted $5 million for 7 years his uppity ness wouldn't be an issue.

Wasn't there a report that he wanted about $5.5M AAV?

We're at the point that, as long as there's someone in the organization deifying the Lunch Pail AC era, they're going nowhere slow. The Bruins have picked in the top 10 6 times in the last 20 years and not seen one of them through the prime of their careers. Hell, 3 of the last four haven't survived past their ELC, and the fourth is ZACH FUCKING HAMILL! If I'm Bergeron, Krejci, and Rask, I'm demanding a trade immediately.

And to my first point, Friedman says it was the Bruins looking for $5.5M per. Makes sense, but why give these guys the benefit of the doubt regardless?

AgentOrange · Jun 28, 2015

The whole wanting to send him west thing is baffling. Trading him to Montreal would be a PR disaster, but other than that who cares? Team building 101: worry about the strength of your own team before any concerns about your conference rivals. GMs ultimately lose jobs because their team isnt good enough, not because they traded a good player to a team in the conference or division.

Koufax · Jun 28, 2015

I am the ultimate fair-weather friend of the Bruins. To me, the hockey season starts when the Bruins are in the playoffs. There might not be any hockey for me for years.

I feel really bad for the true blue hockey fans. These moves have even me depressed. If I had been a true fan, I'd be reaching for the razor blades.

AimingForYoko · Jun 28, 2015

mikeford said:
Smear campaign continues!

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/bruins_nhl/boston_bruins/2015/06/slow_start_for_don_sweeney

Y'all sure they hired Don Sweeney and not Lucchino?

*rolls eyes so hard they pop out*

I want to slap someone.

timlinin8th · Jun 28, 2015

mikeford said:
Smear campaign continues!

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/bruins_nhl/boston_bruins/2015/06/slow_start_for_don_sweeney

Y'all sure they hired Don Sweeney and not Lucchino?

"One asst gm" aka Scott Bradley

Eddie Jurak · Jun 28, 2015

timlinin8th said:
"One asst gm" aka Scott Bradley

I don't think even the Herald would do that.

Although I'm now kind of wondering if the contract talks went like this:

Sweeney: "Teammates..."

TFP · Jun 28, 2015

It's an anonymous quote from someone with another team. This doesn't remotely qualify as a "smear campaign".

Cshea's feelings are spot on though.

Toe Nash · Jun 28, 2015

AgentOrange said:
The whole wanting to send him west thing is baffling. Trading him to Montreal would be a PR disaster, but other than that who cares? Team building 101: worry about the strength of your own team before any concerns about your conference rivals. GMs ultimately lose jobs because their team isnt good enough, not because they traded a good player to a team in the conference or division.

Yeah, teams do this all the time and it doesn't make sense. If you really think you made a good trade, it shouldn't matter who you traded with. If you think he's going to come back to haunt you for years, well maybe you should value him more highly and give him the money.

ypioca · Jun 28, 2015

AgentOrange said:
The other members of the Bruins can't play with Dougie because he doesn't hang out with them enough off of the ice? That's beyond hilarious.

Look, the Bruins demand a happy medium from their players in terms of partying: party too much and you're gone, but you damn sure better be partying with your teammates some. Aristotle's golden mean of partying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7C9RQiUdXc

mcpickl · Jun 28, 2015

Could use the thoughts of the many posters here that know the prospects out there better than me(that's pretty much everybody) on this one.

The rumor is Edmonton offered Boston #16, #33 and #57 to Boston for Hamilton. Edmonton ended up trading #16 and #33 to NYI for Griffin Reinhart.

So if the Bruins did the deal with Edmonton, they could've had that deal with NYI and ended up with Reinhart and #57 for Hamilton.

Is that better? I don't know enough about Reinhart, can only go by what I read about him which is he's a highly rated prospect who's ready to play now and you'd have him for two more years on his ELC before he becomes an RFA. In theory, I much prefer having a high rated guy who can help right now over the two picks they'd have missed out on.

Anyone that has a better feel for Reinhart, would him plus #57 have been a better way to go?

Assuming they could still draft Lauzon at #57 rather than #52, would you trade Senyshen and Karlsson for Reinhart right now if you could?

FL4WL3SS · Jun 29, 2015

If the Bruins had signed Hamilton to a $7-$8M AAV like folks here wanted them to, then they would have had 2 defenseman making $7M per year which is beyond ridiculous. No other team even comes close to that and most teams don't even have one guy making that much. Dougie wanted Doughty/Weber money and the Bruins just weren't willing (rightfully) to pay that and there was no way they were moving Chara.

I'm starting to see the rationale behind the Hamilton trade. If you're not going to sign him to that big of a contract, then your options are to either wait for offer sheets to come in (in which case you have to wait until next year to use the picks) or try to sign him on a one-year deal that would be a painful and drawn out process. With the depth of the draft this year, I actually have no problem with them getting the picks they did for this draft. Would I have liked them to shop him around a bit more and maybe squeeze out a higher or more picks? Sure, but at the end of the day nobody here knows the actual conversations that went on. Maybe, like Dougie himself, we're overvaluing him a bit.

I actually think that Boychuk deal fucked the Bruins on the Hamilton deal. I don't know how Dougie can't look at Boychuk and think "Well shit, Boychuk is making $6MM per year and I know I'm better than him". They played together, he knows he's a better player than Boychuk.

DJnVa · Jun 29, 2015

mcpickl said:
Could use the thoughts of the many posters here that know the prospects out there better than me(that's pretty much everybody) on this one.

The rumor is Edmonton offered Boston #16, #33 and #57 to Boston for Hamilton. Edmonton ended up trading #16 and #33 to NYI for Griffin Reinhart.

So if the Bruins did the deal with Edmonton, they could've had that deal with NYI and ended up with Reinhart and #57 for Hamilton.

Prospects aside, those 3 picks from Edmonton are better than the 3 from Calgary. Full stop.

If that was indeed the offer from Edmonton, why did they not take it?

j44thor · Jun 29, 2015

DrewDawg said:
Prospects aside, those 3 picks from Edmonton are better than the 3 from Calgary. Full stop.

If that was indeed the offer from Edmonton, why did they not take it?

I"m not so sure about that. They got the better 1st rd pick which was likely most important. I think you can argue the draft pick value was essentially equal.

Toe Nash · Jun 29, 2015

FL4WL3SS said:
If the Bruins had signed Hamilton to a $7-$8M AAV like folks here wanted them to, then they would have had 2 defenseman making $7M per year which is beyond ridiculous. No other team even comes close to that and most teams don't even have one guy making that much. Dougie wanted Doughty/Weber money and the Bruins just weren't willing (rightfully) to pay that and there was no way they were moving Chara.

I'm starting to see the rationale behind the Hamilton trade. If you're not going to sign him to that big of a contract, then your options are to either wait for offer sheets to come in (in which case you have to wait until next year to use the picks) or try to sign him on a one-year deal that would be a painful and drawn out process. With the depth of the draft this year, I actually have no problem with them getting the picks they did for this draft. Would I have liked them to shop him around a bit more and maybe squeeze out a higher or more picks? Sure, but at the end of the day nobody here knows the actual conversations that went on. Maybe, like Dougie himself, we're overvaluing him a bit.

I actually think that Boychuk deal fucked the Bruins on the Hamilton deal. I don't know how Dougie can't look at Boychuk and think "Well shit, Boychuk is making $6MM per year and I know I'm better than him". They played together, he knows he's a better player than Boychuk.

A few things:
1. Hamilton supposedly asked for $7.5 AAV, Bruins supposedly offered $5.5. A good negotiator realizes that Hamilton doesn't have a ton of leverage and negotiates him down...I bet they could get under $7m.

2. Even if he takes a big contract Chara only has 3 years left on his deal, so it's not as bad as you are making it out to be. A lot of their deals are very movable this or next year. They have the space and flexibility if they are careful.

3. Hamilton is better than Boychuk by a significant margin and is getting better. I don't understand the thinking from the FO and media that he has to "take another step" to become an elite DMan-- he showed that last year. This is the vital piece that people don't understand -- signing Hamilton isn't paying for potential, he's already there.

4. Even if you have him on a one-year deal someone is going to overpay at the deadline if you really can't sign him. Or someone is REALLY going to overpay for Chara at the deadline if they want to go that route.

FL4WL3SS · Jun 29, 2015

I completely agree with your point #4. I'm not trying to justify the trade, but I can see some rationale around it.

What I don't agree with, however, is having a team for the next 3 years that have $14M tied up in 2 defenseman.

Haunted · Jun 29, 2015

FL4WL3SS said:
I completely agree with your point #4. I'm not trying to justify the trade, but I can see some rationale around it.

What I don't agree with, however, is having a team for the next 3 years that have $14M tied up in 2 defenseman.

I'd like to reiterate that there's no way he'd get that 7 million. But with Sweeney's SSS negotiating track record, I don't know that I can disagree with you. :smithicide:

DJnVa · Jun 29, 2015

j44thor said:
I"m not so sure about that. They got the better 1st rd pick which was likely most important. I think you can argue the draft pick value was essentially equal.

They got 1 spot higher...15 vs. 16. I guess you could make that argument, but they would have gained 12 spots on the second rounder. Considering the guy they took at 15 was listed about 40th, I'm guessing he may have been available at 16.

The B’s Knees · Jun 29, 2015

DrewDawg said:
They got 1 spot higher...15 vs. 16. I guess you could make that argument, but they would have gained 12 spots on the second rounder. Considering the guy they took at 15 was listed about 40th, I'm guessing he may have been available at 16.

I'd guess there was a 100% chance they have gotten Senyshyn at #16, and probaby >90% chance they'd still have gotten him with the #33 pick.

Dummy Hoy · Jun 29, 2015

teds_head said:
I'd guess there was a 100% chance they have gotten Senyshyn at #16, and probaby >90% chance they'd still have gotten him with the #33 pick.

All I know about that is that Kirk, whose opinion I trust quite a bit, especially in the face of limited options, stated more than once that people told him Senyshyn was gone by 20. I'll take his word over pre-draft rankings.

TheRealness · Jun 29, 2015

teds_head said:
I'd guess there was a 100% chance they have gotten Senyshyn at #16, and probaby >90% chance they'd still have gotten him with the #33 pick.

There is so much to beat up Sweeney over these past few days, but Senyshyn really isn't one of them. As Kirk Leuduke reported, Senyshyn would have been off the Board in the 20s, so your second point is very wrong according to Kirk. I would never give anything a 100%, but at least Senyshyn being available at 16 does seem a virtual lock. The guy one of the best athletes in the draft, has good size, and is one of the best skaters in the draft. Given other teams were on him as well, and there is so much to roast Sweeney over, I just don't agree with hammering him on this.

Edit: Dummy Hoy is no Dummy.

J.McG · Jun 29, 2015

Dale Arnold in full-on Bruins/NESN spin mode on WEEI right now, making the following points to open up today's Dale & Holley show (in order):

1. Loves the Lucic trade, need to give Sweeney credit for the good moves if you're going to criticize him for the bad ones.

2. Not a huge fan of the Dougie move, but understands Sweeney trading him if they didn't think he was going to sign in Boston for a reasonable contract or fit in w/ culture Bruins are looking to build. Doesn't blame Bruins for refusing to sign him for $7MM+ AAV.

3. Loves the McQuaid signing - at $2.5MM/ yr, he's UNDERPAID not overpaid. Added Chris Kelly is not overpaid either.

4. Thinks Bruins fans are citing revisionist history by claiming Dougie was a great, franchise player the team needed to build around - it's not like Dougie is "the next Ray Borque". Dougie needs to prove he can play like an all-star defenseman before he asks to be paid like one.

5. Dale really likes the players they drafted for the picks they received. Thinks Sweeney/Gretzky need to be given benefit of the doubt after drafting Pastrnak last year.

6. This is not a rebuild - Bruins have too many good players to not compete for a playoff spot next season.

It should be noted that last Friday, Dale said he would kill the Bruins come Monday if they didn't manage to convert all their picks into a top 3-5 selection in the draft. Looks like he got a copy of the NESN talking points before going on air today...

TFP · Jun 29, 2015

The only point I flat out disagree with him on is point 3. The rest are reasonable positions to take, even though I think he's wrong on Dougie and his market value is around $6m.

Point 5 is especially fair. I'm willing to give Gretzky the benefit of the doubt so far.

allstonite · Jun 29, 2015

J.McG said:
3. Loves the McQuaid signing - at $2.5MM/ yr, he's UNDERPAID not overpaid. Added Chris Kelly is not overpaid either.

This is a place where I'll agree with them. I'm sick of the talking point that Kelly is overpaid and the reason for the team's salary cap issues. I, personally, don't think he's overpaid and if he is it's only by a little. His NMC is a bit of an issue but he's far from the only person on the team who got an undeserved NMC. He's a useful two way 3rd line center who by all accounts is a tremendous locker room leader. I hate that he's the one who gets brought up every time someone talks about cap problems. I guess that will now be McQuaid which I agree with. His deal is terrible and, barring him turning into an puck moving power house, it will remain terrible.

TFP · Jun 29, 2015

Amen allstonite. Kelly is overpaid by $500k or so, which in the grand scheme is minuscule. I also think he's a great and underrated player on and off the ice and deserves far better from Bruins fans. He's far from the problem here.

McQuaid bothers me more that he's taking up 1 of 6 defensive roster spots for 4 years more than the cap hit (although that sucks too).

FL4WL3SS · Jun 29, 2015

I agree, the years are the problem. If they had signed him to a one or two year contract, I would have hated it but then forgot about it. Four years is ridiculous, there was no need to go that long with him. If that's what he was seeking, then let him pack his bags. It's not as if he was so valuable that they couldn't have said "we're offering a 2 year contract, take it or leave it". It's odd.

allstonite · Jun 29, 2015

The Four Peters said:
Amen allstonite. Kelly is overpaid by $500k or so, which in the grand scheme is minuscule. I also think he's a great and underrated player on and off the ice and deserves far better from Bruins fans. He's far from the problem here.

McQuaid bothers me more that he's taking up 1 of 6 defensive roster spots for 4 years more than the cap hit (although that sucks too).

Yeah I'm also pissed because I was a McQuaid fanboy from when he first came up and was laughing while punching people. But even I can't come close to justifying it. He's the definition of replaceable. I'm resigned to the fact I'll have to secretly resent him for the next 4 years.

PedroSpecialK · Jun 30, 2015

https://twitter.com/Fan960Steinberg/status/615935653348401152

Just a dreadful revelation. $6.5m would've gotten it done easily.

Smiling Joe Hesketh · Jun 30, 2015

I'm off to smash more things in my office.

Salem's Lot · Jun 30, 2015

Don't get me wrong, the return still sucks, but if they offered him $5.5, he asked for $7.5 and the agent is looking for offer sheets, then he signs for just under $6 four days after he's traded, it tells me he didn't want to be here. Which is his right to leverage as an RFA.

Smiling Joe Hesketh · Jun 30, 2015

Salem's Lot said:
Don't get me wrong, the return still sucks, but if they offered him $5.5, he asked for $7.5 and the agent is looking for offer sheets, then he signs for just under $6 four days after he's traded, it tells me he didn't want to be here. Which is his right to leverage as an RFA.

Or, conversely, that the Bruins didn't want to try to negotiate with him. From what I've read they saw his ask and just decided to make a trade as quickly as possible. That's really poor asset protection.

Murby · Jun 30, 2015

PedroSpecialK said:
https://twitter.com/Fan960Steinberg/status/615935653348401152

Just a dreadful revelation. $6.5m would've gotten it done easily.

That's it?!?! Seriously? If this is proven true, then this makes the move by the organization all the more baffling. Wow. I mean for that money, you sign to deal then make good faith effort to trade him if he really didn't want to be here, which i don't buy.

Edit: Added last thought.

Steve Dillard · Jun 30, 2015

Between Hamilton, Seguin and Kessel wanting out, it's almost as if young players don't want to play for a coach who criticizes every mistake and won't play them to their strengths.

Smiling Joe Hesketh · Jun 30, 2015

Steve Dillard said:
Between Hamilton, Seguin and Kessel wanting out, it's almost as if young players don't want to play for a coach who criticizes every mistake and won't play them to their strengths.

I don't yet buy that Hamilton wanted out. We know Kessel did, but did Seguin want out or did the Bruins just think he was a young shithead you hadn't grown up yet?

The better question is why the club is so happy to ship out some young players so quickly. Kessel and Seguin have their clear flaws, it's true, but it's also obvious that they have on-ice strengths. There's got to be a happy medium to be reached somehow. Not every young player is going to be 18-going-on-35 like Bergeron was.

RedOctober3829 · Jun 30, 2015

Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 38s39 seconds ago
Hamilton extension is 6 yrs and close to $34.5 mil total. Flames pushed for 8 yrs and Hamilton wanted 5. Good compromise

Wow Don. Couldn't pay him that much????

jsinger121 · Jun 30, 2015

RedOctober3829 said:
Wow Don. Couldn't pay him that much????

Or he didn't want be here.

Salem's Lot · Jun 30, 2015

It could be that Sweeney didn't negotiate, heard the number he asked for and made a panic trade. It could be that the agent tried to strong arm a rookie GM and Sweeney decided his client wasn't good enough to play that game. Either way they got a shitty return and the team is worse. Sweeney should've called his bluff. Hopefully he learns from this.

Spaulding Smails · Jun 30, 2015

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/615941827057852416

scotian1 · Jun 30, 2015

$5.75 for 6 years, well done Calgary. Can't believe it. How did Sweeney manage to botch this so badly?

NickEsasky · Jun 30, 2015

Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
I don't yet buy that Hamilton wanted out. We know Kessel did, but did Seguin want out or did the Bruins just think he was a young shithead you hadn't grown up yet?

The better question is why the club is so happy to ship out some young players so quickly. Kessel and Seguin have their clear flaws, it's true, but it's also obvious that they have on-ice strengths. There's got to be a happy medium to be reached somehow. Not every young player is going to be 18-going-on-35 like Bergeron was.

It's not just this this group. The Bruins history with first round picks in the last 20 years is abysmal. Outside of Krejci the B's haven't had a first round pick who has stuck with the team more than a few years. I mean all teams will have misses, but this goes beyond that. Even the guys they hit on were shipped out of town before their second contract. Look at the list, it's not pretty.
http://bruins.nhl.com/club/draftstats.htm?year=All&round=All&team=BOS

Smiling Joe Hesketh · Jun 30, 2015

I seriously think the only reason Bergeron's still here is because he was a second-rounder.

I used to bitch, pre-2011, that this team hated "talent." Once 2011 rolled around I chalked it up as yet another thing I was horribly wrong about. But sometimes I still think there's a ton of truth to that thought.

Gambler7 · Jun 30, 2015

Why does everyone think he botched it? Isn't it clear between what Sweeney said and how quickly he signed with Calgary for this amount that he did not want to be here moving forward?

Smiling Joe Hesketh · Jun 30, 2015

Spaulding Smails said:
https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/615941827057852416

I call bullshit. How can we know when the Bruins didn't even bother negotiating with him? And then traded him to pretty much the first team they called?

I will withhold judgment on this until we hear something more substantive.

Smiling Joe Hesketh · Jun 30, 2015

Gambler7 said:
Why does everyone think he botched it? Isn't it clear between what Sweeney said and how quickly he signed with Calgary for this amount that he did not want to be here moving forward?

He botched it because the return on the trade was ABYSMAL.

Gambler7 · Jun 30, 2015

Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
He botched it because the return on the trade was ABYSMAL.

I should have been more clear. Yes, that is true. But, saying he botched not signing him for that amount likely isn't fair. I highly doubt he had the option to.

j44thor · Jun 30, 2015

Gambler7 said:
Why does everyone think he botched it? Isn't it clear between what Sweeney said and how quickly he signed with Calgary for this amount that he did not want to be here moving forward?

Because they spent one whole day negotiating and the kid is 22. If he isn't quite comfortable now you figure out what you can do to make him comfortable. You don't give away 22YO D with franchise potential. It is as if they take everything these kids do and say at face value. A 22 YO is going to change his mind like the wind.

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