Donovan Mitchell traded to Cleveland
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Seems light, given that a Mitchell/Garland/Mobley core is going to win a lot of regular season games going forward. Wonder what else is in there.
Edit: Sexton and Markkanen...this still seems quite ok for Cleveland.
I dunno, that's less than Minny gave up for Gobert (because one of the Minny picks was protected and another was already the 20-something pick form this past draft) and everyone lost their minds over that.
Good deal both ways—-those are all useful and young players going to Utah plus the picks.. And what a disaster for Knicks….what are you saving picks for if not the rare guy who wants to be there?
These are some pretty far-in-the-future first-rounders. Curious what years the pick swaps are for.
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Interesting deal.
3 unprotected 1sts, 2 swaps, the guy just drafted 14th a promising 23 year old former top 10 pick on a very reasonable deal and a guy you can probably move for something in Markkanen, but also if you keep he's only 25.
That's better than any of the rumored Knicks' offers
Edit- also Gobert should get more than Mitchell he's a significantly better player
3 unprotected 1sts, 2 swaps, the guy just drafted 14th a promising 23 year old former top 10 pick on a very reasonable deal and a guy you can probably move for something in Markkanen, but also if you keep he's only 25.
That's better than any of the rumored Knicks' offers
Edit- also Gobert should get more than Mitchell he's a significantly better player
Did Utah get more than this for Gobert though? 4 picks and 1 swap and salary filler compared to 3 picks, 2 swaps, and a really good player on Sexton.
Not sure which package is better honestly.
Hmm. Good trade for the Jazz, ok trade for the Cavs.
Future Cavs picks could be good & Sexton is basically a poor man's Mitchell anyway.
Interesting all-in move for the Cavs but they are still lacking actual wings & they foreclosured some of their chances to acquire them.
Future Cavs picks could be good & Sexton is basically a poor man's Mitchell anyway.
Interesting all-in move for the Cavs but they are still lacking actual wings & they foreclosured some of their chances to acquire them.
The fourth year is a player option (somewhat surprised the Jazz gave him one) so effectively three if he wants to leave
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cleveland-cavaliers/donovan-mitchell-23608/
Allen/Mobley/LeVert/Mitchell/Garland with Okoro/Love/Osman/Rubio/Wade off bench. It’s a nice rotation. Agree you really would like another two-way wing in there; maybe they believe in Okoro…and it may be as simple as “that’s easier to fill than prime-time scorer:” as a role
Lineup seems good but awfully redundant...I wonder if there's a deal to be made where it's like LeVert for a 3&D guy.
Yeah, love this for the Cavs. That’s a genuinely scary team: traded away a legend in his own mind (Sexton) and an over-rated big who is far worse than Allen and Mobley along with what should be late FRPs. Not sure I see the problem there. On the flip they get a difference maker who will elevate them in the playoffs.
I can't see it happening because he'll try to go where Bronni goes, but LeBron would slot really nicely alongside Garland/Mitchell/Mobley/Allen in a year or two.
Win/win deal for both teams at different stages. Utah can rebuild Sexton's value
EC just got a little better, which is mildly annoying
A 3X All-Star, local guy, that actually wants to play in NY and the Knicks can't get it done. My Knick friends are livid.
EC just got a little better, which is mildly annoying
A 3X All-Star, local guy, that actually wants to play in NY and the Knicks can't get it done. My Knick friends are livid.
One of those firsts Minny gave was the pick they had just made, #22. If that counts, Cleveland gave 6 #1 picks because they also included the #14 pick from this year. And none of the Cleveland picks are protected while one of the Minny ones (the furthest one out) is top 10 protected. Unless you think Minny is more likely than Cleveland to suck in 5 years (I'd guess its about even), Cleveland definitely gave up more.
You have to start Okoro and bring Lavert off the bench, no? That's putting a ton of responsibility on the backline with how poor those perimeter defenders are.
Not a ton of versatility, but the scoring depth will make them a good regular season team (they'll just be exposed quickly in the playoffs). For as bad as Cleveland has been sans Lebron, that might just be enough.
It's funny because this is essentially the same kind of lineup Utah had, except sub Mobley for Bogdanovic or Ingles. That's obv a huge upgrade, but small backcourts scare the hell out of me. It just feels like an automatic ceiling no matter how brilliant the C position is.
That Utah roster is rough. Vic should ask Gobert on how to make the best of a France to Utah lifestyle change.
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More than likely, Bronni is going where Lebron goes (via 2nd round pick or undrafted FA)
Here's Utah's full pick stash:
View: https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/status/1565441709986631680?t=c3oR1WmNhiJRDArdN7RD-Q&s=19
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As an Obi Toppin fan I’m disappointed he won’t be going to Utah and getting 30 MPG of run. Conversely, I’m sure his family is happy that the native NewYorker is staying put. Now I have to rest my hopes on a Julius Randle trade.
The Knicks acted as if they had the upper hand with the Mitchell trade talks and claimed Utah had few other options. Danny blew up that take.
Now I wonder what Danny does next. Take the long view and use the picks or trade them for more semi all-stars?
Now I wonder what Danny does next. Take the long view and use the picks or trade them for more semi all-stars?
I'm not sure what the NYK offer would look like to beat what Cleveland gave up, but given where the Knicks are as a team right now (not great and nowhere near GFIN), I'm good with not going there.
I like this trade for both sides. Jazz get Sexton on a very reasonable deal to replace roughly 75% of Mitchell, they pick up more picks, and Cavs now have a core of Garland/Mitchell/Mobley/Allen which is a pretty damn good core to build around (if they can play defense). Feels like a pretty good “both sides win” trade at the onset.
This seems to be the most common take out there so far.
Is Danny done? I think he still has some pieces to sell off.
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Utah still has coveted veteran trade asserts, including Bojan Bogdanovic, Jordan Clarkson and Mike Conley Jr. They'll approach an Oklahoma City-esque haul of draft assets once they're done dealing. Jazz consider Markkanen, Sexton and Agbaji keepers for their rebuilding roster.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/cap/
Conley has $22m and $24m left. Bojan has $19m left this year. And Clarkson is more reasonable at $13m this year and $14m next.
I was a bit confused about Utah's '24/'26/'28 1st round picks not being here...
I can't read & the '26 & '28 1sts are on there as potential swaps, my bad.
That Houston/Brooklyn/Philly 1st is the worst of the 3.
Huge motivation to get better by 2025-26, when pick swaps start kicking in.
Full tear down over this season, Trader Danny is back for the next 2 seasons.
draft well, build around a young core.
Celtics 2013 all over again
I wonder what happens if their '26 1st conveys to the Thunder so they don't have anything to swap. I guess they just lose their swapportunities.
I think the trade was fine for Cavs in a vacuum. The problem is their roster is still poorly constructed. They still have no wings and pretty much no two-way talent (wings often help in this regard). If the goal is for a long playoff run, I'm not seeing it.