Dolphins: Year Tua

Should Miami Trade for Deshaun Watson

  • Yes. Deshaun is a star. Take the known entity.

    Votes: 68 70.8%
  • No. Build around Tua and forge a stronger overall team.

    Votes: 28 29.2%

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Fuller being out is unfortunate, but I’ve already taken the mindset that he may never play a snap for Miami. Between injuries, a one year deal, and Flores not even confirming if he would play this season for Miami, his outlook is dubious. Hope that everything is ok with him off the field.

The offense would certainly be better with him in it, but I’m all in on Waddle. If Miami can make it work with Parker, Waddle, Wilson, and Williams, I would be fine with that.
I would have loved to have all hands on deck for this one, but it's clear that Fuller's dealing with "something" significant right now affecting his mental health. I hope that's okay and getting the help that he needs.

Today will be Miami's best chance to best the Bills this season. The Dolphins need to take advantage. I think it'll likely take a couple of forced turnovers by the defense, as well as a couple TD passes from Tua (maybe 3).

Let's go!
 

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Unlike like last week, I have no expectation for how this one is going to go.
While I was adamant that Miami was better than New England, I did come into the season thinking Buffalo was better than both.

Win or lose, I’d love to see an actual great performance from Tua. If Tua looks good and NE makes Wilson look like a bum (both realistic possibilities) it provides additional perspective to last weeks performance and I’ll feel pretty good about where things are headed.
 

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Offensive line has been junior college levels of bad. Consistently letting free runners tee off on the QB. Tua looks like he broke some ribs.
 

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Some of the worst offensive line play I’ve seen. Jesse Davis personally got Tua killed and Miami finally put him out of his misery with an “injury” at halftime.

After the offseason, Miami looks no closer the beating Buffalo than they did when they got blown out in Week 17.

Lmao 3 consecutive sacks there with basically every offensive lineman getting beat.
 

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Herbert would have probably broken 3 ribs instead of tua.
 

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Nightmare of a game. Another embarrassment at the hands of Buffalo. Miami had zero answers for any type of pressure. Defense held up for a little while, but Allen still made some insane Allen plays.

The TD to Diggs, Diggs falls down in the end zone, Allen throws back across the middle of the field against his body, and they still score. Plays like that shouldn’t happen, but still did.

The fact that the line looked THAT bad is extremely damning of both Grier and Flores. Jackson was beat like a rented mule. They had to Ol’ Yeller Jesse Davis. Guys couldn’t shake man coverage and even when the line held up longer than 2 seconds, Brissett had to hold the ball and either get obliterated or throw into tight coverage.

Miami looked sloppy as hell, and not prepared for the game. Normally I give Flores the benefit of the doubt, but this team was not prepared for this game. Again.
 

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Well, that wasn’t very fun.
Maybe shame on me, for emerging from the perpetual state of apathy this franchise had put me in, to think this year was going to be different?

That was such a disaster it doesn’t even feel worth commenting on.
Seems like I need to wait to see what happens next week, at least.

That said, if I did start to cast arrows, the direction I’m looking is Grier. I loved the overall vision, but the return on assets is beginning to be troubling, to say the least.
 

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Same old Dolphins.

This team is eerily similar to the 2013 vintage, when Tannehill was the most sacked quarterback in the league in his second season. Enough talent to be competitive most weeks, but the offensive ceiling is severely limited by a shaky QB/OL nexus.
 

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Same old Dolphins.

This team is eerily similar to the 2013 vintage, when Tannehill was the most sacked quarterback in the league in his second season. Enough talent to be competitive most weeks, but the offensive ceiling is severely limited by a shaky QB/OL nexus.
I take a tiny bit of solace that Brissett also struggled versus Buffalo and it wasn’t necessarily a “Tua issue” rather an OL/gameplan/execution issue. We didn’t see a Fitz/Tua jump in play when he left the field, and Jacoby is a pretty good backup QB with significantly more experience than Tua.

Latest on Twitter says Tua‘a ribs aren’t broken, but he was still in significant pain and was scheduled for an MRI tomorrow. He may have dodged a multi-week injury, but his status for the Vegas game is still very much up in the air.
 

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How did Tua look before he got injured? I missed the game. Obviously, AFC East is wide open.
Hard to say. He got obliterated by free running blitzers on like 4 of his 6 drop backs. He looked like a dude that had zero chance to do anything.
 

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A Dolphin fan - kind of surprised I know so many - shared a memory from 2 years ago on his facebook timeline today. Said it seemed appropriate for the day:

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Edit: this was obviously just for fun. Team is still in a very good situation short and long term. What sucks about the horrible line - which @SMU_Sox has been pointing out since the preseason - is that it's so bad right now that you cant even judge if Tua is an issue.

Like, what happens if the team decides, "How can we blame Tua? Anyone would suck with this line!" And then they fix the line...only to find out he DOES suck? Then the team wasted prime defense years, is stuck in mediocrity, and wasted a chance to get Watson (if he actually plays)?

It's a fucking dagger.

As a SOSH member, I hope it works out for the 'fins fans here...but as a Patriots fan? Nope.
 
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A Dolphin fan - kind of surprised I know so many - shared a memory from 2 years ago on his facebook timeline today. Said it seemed appropriate for the day:

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Edit: this was obviously just for fun. Team is still in a very good situation short and long term. What sucks about the horrible line - which @SMU_Sox has been pointing out since the preseason - is that it's so bad right now that you cant even judge if Tua is an issue.

Like, what happens if the team decides, "How can we blame Tua? Anyone would suck with this line!" And then they fix the line...only to find out he DOES suck? Then the team wasted prime defense years, is stuck in mediocrity, and wasted a chance to get Watson (if he actually plays)?

It's a fucking dagger.

As a SOSH member, I hope it works out for the 'fins fans here...but as a Patriots fan? Nope.
This was the Tannehill paradox. We saw the exact same thing play out. We said the line was shit, the receivers were shit, then the coaching was shit. Turns out, Tannehill is a pretty good QB when all of the other variables are right. The same might be true of Tua.

The problem is Miami has sunk a ton of resources into the line and they don’t look very good. What you saw from the Bills is likely what you will see a lot of going forward until Miami proves they can consistently protect whoever is at QB and throw further than 7 yards downfield.
 

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This was the Tannehill paradox. We saw the exact same thing play out. We said the line was shit, the receivers were shit, then the coaching was shit. Turns out, Tannehill is a pretty good QB when all of the other variables are right. The same might be true of Tua.

The problem is Miami has sunk a ton of resources into the line and they don’t look very good. What you saw from the Bills is likely what you will see a lot of going forward until Miami proves they can consistently protect whoever is at QB and throw further than 7 yards downfield.
Fitzy had a better rating and a much better Y/A last year, playing for the same team as Tua. And Fitzy is famously a journeyman.

I'm not sure you can point to the Gase years with Tannehill as a comparison to the Flores Dolphins. Gase is a joke who actively hurts teams and offenses. Flores is excellent, a guy who turned around a joke "Gase" franchise into a winner. It's possible Tua might just be a solidly average QB.
 

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Fitzy had a better rating and a much better Y/A last year, playing for the same team as Tua. And Fitzy is famously a journeyman.

I'm not sure you can point to the Gase years with Tannehill as a comparison to the Flores Dolphins. Gase is a joke who actively hurts teams and offenses. Flores is excellent, a guy who turned around a joke "Gase" franchise into a winner. It's possible Tua might just be a solidly average QB.
I’m not so much questioning the coaching staff as I’m trying to say that Tua probably isn’t a QB that can provide solutions to problems all by himself. Those guys, like Mahomes and Lamar, can play beyond the sum of their parts.

The line play yesterday was beyond horrible. Throw that aside. If the line play is below average, Tua only has so many clubs in his bag. He can get it out quick and occasionally make someone miss or scramble. If guys aren’t getting open, and the line isn’t blocking, he’s going to struggle.

It’s week 2 and he’s already taken some gigantic hits. Judon crushed him last week and Epenesa knocked him out of the game in the first quarter.
 

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I’m not so much questioning the coaching staff as I’m trying to say that Tua probably isn’t a QB that can provide solutions to problems all by himself. Those guys, like Mahomes and Lamar, can play beyond the sum of their parts.

The line play yesterday was beyond horrible. Throw that aside. If the line play is below average, Tua only has so many clubs in his bag. He can get it out quick and occasionally make someone miss or scramble. If guys aren’t getting open, and the line isn’t blocking, he’s going to struggle.

It’s week 2 and he’s already taken some gigantic hits. Judon crushed him last week and Epenesa knocked him out of the game in the first quarter.
Yeah those were both crushing, huge hits. In 20+ years of watching Brady I don’t think we’ve seen him get hit that hard more than 5-10 times. And it happened to Tua in 63 minutes of football. Not sustainable for any QB.

It’s funny about the Tannehill discussion. I (like many) didn’t think much of him when he was in Miami. My dad thought the Pats should have taken a flier on him. I didn’t see the appeal. Next thing you know, he’s surrounded by better talent and coaching and he’s pretty good. It’s going to be interesting following this team for the next couple years.
 

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Yeah those were both crushing, huge hits. In 20+ years of watching Brady I don’t think we’ve seen him get hit that hard more than 5-10 times. And it happened to Tua in 63 minutes of football. Not sustainable for any QB.

It’s funny about the Tannehill discussion. I (like many) didn’t think much of him when he was in Miami. My dad thought the Pats should have taken a flier on him. I didn’t see the appeal. Next thing you know, he’s surrounded by better talent and coaching and he’s pretty good. It’s going to be interesting following this team for the next couple years.
Let's get down to brass tacks with Tannehill. He isn't pretty good.

He was #2 in the NFL in QB rating in 2019 and he was #3 last year. He wasn't good, he was one of the best QBs in the NFL over the course of two full season. He was the only QB to be in the top 3 in both years.
 

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Let's get down to brass tacks with Tannehill. He isn't pretty good.

He was #2 in the NFL in QB rating in 2019 and he was #3 last year. He wasn't good, he was one of the best QBs in the NFL over the course of two full season. He was the only QB to be in the top 3 in both years.
Just shows how much the variables surrounding a QB matter. Tannehill had flashes in Miami, but never sniffed top 10 status. Put him in an offense with an excellent rushing attack and an offensive line and a coordinator that used him more as a mobile weapon than a statue and he took off.

I promise you, if you put Tannehill out there with Myles Gaskin, Austin Jackson and Jesse Davis, he’s going to look a lot like the Miami Tannehill you saw for 6 years.

Which brings us full circle back to Tua. We’ve seen what he is at his best with a good running game, good coaching, and a good line. He was one of the most efficient QBs in the history of college football. Will he ever have those stars align for him in Miami? I’m not so sure.
 

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Just shows how much the variables surrounding a QB matter. Tannehill had flashes in Miami, but never sniffed top 10 status. Put him in an offense with an excellent rushing attack and an offensive line and a coordinator that used him more as a mobile weapon than a statue and he took off.

I promise you, if you put Tannehill out there with Myles Gaskin, Austin Jackson and Jesse Davis, he’s going to look a lot like the Miami Tannehill you saw for 6 years.

Which brings us full circle back to Tua. We’ve seen what he is at his best with a good running game, good coaching, and a good line. He was one of the most efficient QBs in the history of college football. Will he ever have those stars align for him in Miami? I’m not so sure.
He'd (Tanny) be better now because of Flores over Gase but you are right. Miami is very weak on the skill position front.
 

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Just shows how much the variables surrounding a QB matter. Tannehill had flashes in Miami, but never sniffed top 10 status. Put him in an offense with an excellent rushing attack and an offensive line and a coordinator that used him more as a mobile weapon than a statue and he took off.

I promise you, if you put Tannehill out there with Myles Gaskin, Austin Jackson and Jesse Davis, he’s going to look a lot like the Miami Tannehill you saw for 6 years.

Which brings us full circle back to Tua. We’ve seen what he is at his best with a good running game, good coaching, and a good line. He was one of the most efficient QBs in the history of college football. Will he ever have those stars align for him in Miami? I’m not so sure.

To be fair, most QBs aren’t expected to play the week after they win the Super Bowl. They always talk about that Super Bowl fatigue so maybe that was part of it. He’s probably looking forward to that ring ceremony.

But seriously, if the expectation is that if he has a good running game, good line, and good coaching, he can do well. That’s basically describing an NFL average QB. Throw in a good defense and he may win a playoff game. It’s like, if all the other facets of the team are good (aka, above average), Tua can be good as well.
 

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Fitzy had a better rating and a much better Y/A last year, playing for the same team as Tua. And Fitzy is famously a journeyman.

I'm not sure you can point to the Gase years with Tannehill as a comparison to the Flores Dolphins. Gase is a joke who actively hurts teams and offenses. Flores is excellent, a guy who turned around a joke "Gase" franchise into a winner. It's possible Tua might just be a solidly average QB.
Fitzpatrick was also playing with the OC in which he had the most success, in an offense he was comfortable with and basically designed for his strengths.
He also played with a “fuck it” attitude and took chances Tua was not afforded, or at the very least, seemed to be dissuaded from taking.

I wish Tua looked better, and I get if someone says a top 5 QB should, but I’ve found the whole Fitz comparison a bit disingenuous and void of context.
 

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How many 2nd year QBs are distinctly above-average? It’s a much longer list than above-average rookies (who are virtually non-existent), but it’s still a list dominated by HOF-level talents — Marino, Manning, Brady, Wilson, Mahomes, etc.

Herbert is probably going to join that club, and Tua is going to be compared to him forever, but if the guy you’re hoping will be your franchise QB is league-average in his second season, that’s success. Of course, Tua has work to do to reach league average; he hasn’t been at that level so far this season.
 

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As someone that’s supported Tua, or at the very least Tua as the starter this year, it’s tough not to feel deflated at the moment.

I’m sure part of this is just the disappointment I’m currently feeling, but the injuries and adversities are starting to pile up to the point where it’s starting to feel like he’s snake bitten. It’s like the Football Gods are collecting on the unbelievable moment he had to win that initial national championship at Alabama.
 

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I was skeptical that Tua would stay healthy given that injured guys in college statistically are more injury prone in the NFL but this has nothing to do with being injured in college but the other big issue KFP mentioned I was skeptical about which is OL play. In a way NE is experiencing similar issues with bad OT play and Mac is taking a ton of shots. One of the worst consequences of bad OL play is an injured QB. It’s also hard to get through your progressions and not be rushed when you are constantly under pressure. Again, Mac has been feeling some of that too. The question to me is who is salvageable here. We all know who Davis is. Would it make sense to move someone else there? Austin Jackson needs reps to improve because he was raw coming out but his other issue was lack of functional strength and you’d expect to see better results in year 2. I don’t know who plays OT. Go with Eich and Hunt? Basically which 2 of these 4 are the answer: Hunt, Eich, Davis, Jackson? Right now none of them look good.

Edit: on the plus side Holland looks like a steal. Seems like a baller. If he and Waddle and Phillips stay healthy you could get three ballers from that class.
 

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Sort of odd timeline on the injury news unless I missed something. X-Rays are notoriously bad for non displaced and minimally displaced rib fractures, no surprise that was negative on game day.

After the game I saw it was reported he would get an MRI and I assumed the MRI was negative given the initial reports early in the week. MRI is usually as good if not better than CT for rib fractures.

Maybe not the highest quality MRI (or the highest quality radiologist) on Monday. MRI only better than CT if you do a good scan with good technique, good protocol, and no motion.

I would have to guess he was still in a lot of pain and a CT last night or this am showed a subtle fracture if he truly did get an MRI first. A little strange.
 

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Sort of odd timeline on the injury news unless I missed something. X-Rays are notoriously bad for non displaced and minimally displaced rib fractures, no surprise that was negative on game day.

After the game I saw it was reported he would get an MRI and I assumed the MRI was negative given the initial reports early in the week. MRI is usually as good if not better than CT for rib fractures.

Maybe not the highest quality MRI (or the highest quality radiologist) on Monday. MRI only better than CT if you do a good scan with good technique, good protocol, and no motion.

I would have to guess he was still in a lot of pain and a CT last night or this am showed a subtle fracture if he truly did get an MRI first. A little strange.
Thanks for your insight. This sounds fairly plausible. Flores mentioned yesterday and today he was still in a pretty significant amount of pain.

Really tough because a lot of us were fairly high on this team just two weeks ago, and this Buffalo game feels like the season ended already. Tua is the most significant piece of the puzzle long term, and the offensive line is so bad that he’s knocked out for multiple weeks. Imagine Tua feels pretty deflated as well. He put in a ton of work in the offseason and all he’s gotten out of it are Deshaun Watson rumors and some fractured ribs.
 

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Waiting eagerly for the analytical bunch among my fellow Dolphins fans here to offer some thoughts on game planning with Brissett now under center (and Will Fuller apparently now in the mix). My recollection of Jacoby Brissett (largely based on fantasy numbers) is that he was a serviceable QB for a season or 2 with Indy, but hasn't presented enough consistency as a pro to stick as a starter. For our purposes, he seems almost the opposite of Tua in a lot of ways.
 

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edit: Wrong thread. that's twice this month. I may be losing it.
 
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Waiting eagerly for the analytical bunch among my fellow Dolphins fans here to offer some thoughts on game planning with Brissett now under center (and Will Fuller apparently now in the mix). My recollection of Jacoby Brissett (largely based on fantasy numbers) is that he was a serviceable QB for a season or 2 with Indy, but hasn't presented enough consistency as a pro to stick as a starter. For our purposes, he seems almost the opposite of Tua in a lot of ways.
He's 12-20 as a starter in the NFL. He's a serviceable backup in that he won't completely embarrass himself but one who won't win many games.
 

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If you look at the next three games, two of them are winnable, and Miami will likely take an L vs Tampa. If Tua comes back in three weeks, he’ll catch the wave of easier games versus Jacksonville and Atlanta before seeing Buffalo again.

I hope we see less RPO and more drop back passing with Jacoby. Jacoby has a bigger arm than Tua, so hopefully they scheme up a few shots to Fuller and Waddle.

That being said, we’ve seen all three QBs on the ground in pain in the last month. Reid Sinnett got murdered several times in his preseason start. Tua with fractured ribs. Jacoby spent time on the ground in pain last week as well.

The line is beyond “a concern.” They’re literally derailing the season and the franchise QBs development two weeks into the season.
 

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I’m not sure how much they’re really losing with Brissett in there instead of Tua. I dunno what they do with their OL to deal with LV’s pass rush, more importantly.
 

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Respectfully not sure why’d you would want more drop back passing and slower developing plays with this line. I’d be dialing up screens, RPOs, quick stuff, use tempo when you can to exploit a matchup, maybe use more play action, or rolling the QB out. Try and play getting it out quickly or scheming up a more advantageous play for passes. Do whatever it takes to scheme around OL limitations and that is not easy. And with the OL I know shuffling guys around isn’t ideal but if you find the right combination as soon as possible and keep it they could gel as the season goes on. Again, I don’t know what that combination is or what you do about Austin Jackson at this point but something has to give. I think Davis can play better. He’s a below average guy playing worse than that right now. I feel for you guys because of last year and the hope you had going into this season. Really stinks that this happened.
 

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Respectfully not sure why’d you would want more drop back passing and slower developing plays with this line. I’d be dialing up screens, RPOs, quick stuff, use tempo when you can to exploit a matchup, maybe use more play action, or rolling the QB out. Try and play getting it out quickly or scheming up a more advantageous play for passes. Do whatever it takes to scheme around OL limitations and that is not easy. And with the OL I know shuffling guys around isn’t ideal but if you find the right combination as soon as possible and keep it they could gel as the season goes on. Again, I don’t know what that combination is or what you do about Austin Jackson at this point but something has to give. I think Davis can play better. He’s a below average guy playing worse than that right now. I feel for you guys because of last year and the hope you had going into this season. Really stinks that this happened.
I meant less RPO because it requires a certain feel and some good footwork and I don’t know if either of those are a strength for Brissett. I don’t really want him to be a statue back there either.

Also Miami seems to be struggling executing the blocking with the RPOs and countering blitzes.
 

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I don't have a clue about the Dolphins roster situation, but I'll be honest I don't really understand the need to IR Tua for nondisplaced rib fractures.

Is it possible he'll be out for 3+ weeks, sure. But his return is entirely pain tolerance related and it's hard to predict these things a week or two in the future.

I don't think most teams would do this for their starting QB, most would go week to week and hope for the best.
 

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I’ve actually moved toward thinking Miami is going to win this game.
One team coming off as bad a performance as possible, going cross country as the underdog with a backup QB facing a team thats got off to a surprising 2-0 start…NFL logic says Miami keeps it close, if not wins in this spot…I say that only half kidding, as more often than not that does seem to be how it plays out.

I do think Brissett is a competent QB and will prove such today, with a full week to prepare and with the full compliment of weapons.

Miami wins. Brissett play well. And the anti-Tua portion of the fan base gets to celebrate.
That’s where I think we’ll be come 8 pm.
 

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I’m actually with you on today. This is a bad matchup for the Raiders and a good one for Miami minus it goes without saying that their O-line doesn’t matchup well with anyone and the Raiders have some pass rushers. I think people are reacting too much to weak/week 2 and the score. Raiders have had some luck this year (recovered 5/7 fumbles). I don’t buy their hype yet even though I will admit the passing offense is looking good and that’s your most important unit. Carr under pressure has gone from bad to good two years in a row - typically that varies but I’ve seen him make some outstanding decisions, quick releases, and good reads so… maybe he just actually got better? Still early to tell but overall I think today ends in a dub for you all.
 

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Well, looking like i may have been wrong.

I can’t believe how bad this offense is. Literally every single aspect of it.
It’s depressing.
 

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Well, looking like i may have been wrong.

I can’t believe how bad this offense is. Literally every single aspect of it.
It’s depressing.
How is the line play today? Also... are you sure you didn't mean to post this as a Patriots fan in today's threads?? Hmm...
 

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If nothing else, Brissett earned his paycheck.
Seemed like most all the offensive success in the second half was Jacoby exerting everything he had to will the offense forward five yards at a time.
Not sure if it was amusing, or nerve racking watching him scramble at times, as he seemed like someone who’s unaware they aren’t quite as fast and elusive as they used to be.

Other than finally taking some shots downfield (Fuller was interfered with), I think the only other thing that stood out on offense was when they basically took advantage of how bad Jackson sucks, running Gaskin back on the counter to the left after Jackson was pushed three yards upfield.

More than anything else, I’m currently bummed they went for the tying field goal. I hated it at the time and now I obviously do even more after the final result.
To me, you escape death that many times, you go for the win. Especially since the long field goal wasn’t a gimme.
Maybe there’s a point you begrudgingly accept the tie, but for me, I take the chance at 4th and 2 over a 50 yard fg and giving the Raiders the ball back. Just sucks to lose that way.

Next week feels like a must win now, as I have no delusions of this team beating TB.
2-3 heading to London to face Jax, you can muster some hope, 1-4 is a rather deep hole.
 

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If nothing else, Brissett earned his paycheck.
Seemed like most all the offensive success in the second half was Jacoby exerting everything he had to will the offense forward five yards at a time.
Not sure if it was amusing, or nerve racking watching him scramble at times, as he seemed like someone who’s unaware they aren’t quite as fast and elusive as they used to be.

Other than finally taking some shots downfield (Fuller was interfered with), I think the only other thing that stood out on offense was when they basically took advantage of how bad Jackson sucks, running Gaskin back on the counter to the left after Jackson was pushed three yards upfield.

More than anything else, I’m currently bummed they went for the tying field goal. I hated it at the time and now I obviously do even more after the final result.
To me, you escape death that many times, you go for the win. Especially since the long field goal wasn’t a gimme.
Maybe there’s a point you begrudgingly accept the tie, but for me, I take the chance at 4th and 2 over a 50 yard fg and giving the Raiders the ball back. Just sucks to lose that way.

Next week feels like a must win now, as I have no delusions of this team beating TB.
2-3 heading to London to face Jax, you can muster some hope, 1-4 is a rather deep hole.
I was hoping they would go for it and not the tie. I get trying to continue fighting, but like you said, they were playing house money in OT and converting a 4th and 20. Hated the shovel pass to Gesicki on third down. Gesicki has broken 1 tackle in his NFL career. He isn’t that guy. He gets hit and he goes down. I personally thought Will Fuller should have drawn the PI flag. Thought Miami got the short end of the officiating stick this week.

Today was a comedy of errors. The safety seemed to completely change the momentum of the game. For as bad as everyone said the play was, Shaheen was wide fucking open 4 yards past the LOS in the middle. That ball should have never gone to Waddle. He was an emergency outlet in case they go all-out blitz. They dropped into zone and Jacoby flat out made the wrong read and panicked.

The line play was just regular bad, not historically bad.I hesitate to say that Godsey and Studesville has been a failed experiment because of how terrible the line play has been. I feel like we’re seeing 1/10th of the playbook because everything has to come out in 2.2 seconds or it’s a sack. Waddle is like a Ferrari driving around in a school zone. Borderline embarrassing that all they can do is give him bubble screens.
 

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I missed Shaheen on the safety. What you said makes sense than, because I was completely baffled by the call/design assuming it was intended to go to Waddle, but that would make it more of an issue of execution.

As for the Gesicki play, it looked like the one they ran earlier to pick up a first down. It was ugly and barely worked then, so I was surprised they went back to it.
i assume the intent was similar to the Gaskin run I mentioned. They were getting so far upfield on Jackson, it gave a gap to counter back into. Just wish they ran it with Waddle or Gaskin, really anyone other than a lumbering Gesicki.