Do you want Remy to be the teams announcer on opening day?

Do you want Remy to be the teams announcer on opening day?

  • Yes

    Votes: 171 33.8%
  • No - I want him fired or "forced" into retiring

    Votes: 95 18.8%
  • No - I want him to quit on his own

    Votes: 240 47.4%

  • Total voters
    506

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I did, the "worst" thing I could find is that Jerry Remy paid for a lawyer and a psychiatrist for his son and is now saying that he realizes he enabled him but doesn't know what he could have done differently. I imagine most people would behave similarly, doesn't seem like it's worth firing him over. That's why I asked the question, so I could better understand the thought process behind firing him.
 
Well, there you have it. The only additional thing is: 1) whether or not Phoebe intervened with Martel to not file an extension of the restraining order; and 2) if so, speculation as to whether there were other interventions with women on behalf of Jared. But to answer your question: no, no new information has to come light since the Globe piece, although Jerry was apparently on radio this morning addressing the piece.
 

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I said this in the other thread, but I will be concise here.
 
Jerry is not valuable enough to be worth the distraction and negative emotions he generates around the team. It is not like he is Manny putting up a .900ops every year. He is an easily replaceable part of the team. His beloved status similar to Tek or Wakefield allowed him to remain on the roster an extra year, last year, but it is time to get a replacement level guy in there while Eck brings in 3-4 WAR in his 40 games.
 

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Jerry is not valuable enough to be worth the distraction and negative emotions he generates around the team. It is not like he is Manny putting up a .900ops every year. He is an easily replaceable part of the team. His beloved status similar to Tek or Wakefield allowed him to remain on the roster an extra year, last year, but it is time to get a replacement level guy in there while Eck brings in 3-4 WAR in his 40 games.
 
If he even got a whiff of the idea that he was a distraction to the *team* he'd quit the next day. The only negative emotions he is stirring is with a not- insignificant portion of NESN viewers. Is it enough?  Maybe NESN deals with him like the team does Sizemore. Play him until he breaks.
 

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reggiecleveland said:
I said this in the other thread, but I will be concise here.
 
Jerry is not valuable enough to be worth the distraction and negative emotions he generates around the team. It is not like he is Manny putting up a .900ops every year. He is an easily replaceable part of the team. His beloved status similar to Tek or Wakefield allowed him to remain on the roster an extra year, last year, but it is time to get a replacement level guy in there while Eck brings in 3-4 WAR in his 40 games.
 
He's been the announcer for what, 25 years? Regardless of whether he's fired or not, he's going to be associated with the team and there are going to be people on either side who are upset that he's either still the announcer or that he's no longer the announcer. This is an unavoidable PR mess. Unless something new comes to light about Jerry involvement in his son's wrongdoings, I think the decision about whether or not he should continue to be the announcer should be solely about his ability to work on a regular schedule and do a good job as an announcer. If he has to miss a bunch of the schedule due to court cases or if he shows up tired and/or distracted and his performance gets noticeably worse, then by all means fire him.
 

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When did it become appropriate to fire someone for something their kid did?
 
Whether Remy is a good announcer is a separate question, but this poll wouldn't exist if the murder hadn't happened.
 

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Hoplite said:
 
He's been the announcer for what, 25 years? Regardless of whether he's fired or not, he's going to be associated with the team and there are going to be people on either side who are upset that he's either still the announcer or that he's no longer the announcer. This is an unavoidable PR mess. Unless something new comes to light about Jerry involvement in his son's wrongdoings, I think the decision about whether or not he should continue to be the announcer should be solely about his ability to work on a regular schedule and do a good job as an announcer. If he has to miss a bunch of the schedule due to court cases or if he shows up tired and/or distracted and his performance gets noticeably worse, then by all means fire him.
 
An announcer's performance is a tremendously subjective thing and is related to perceptions of his/her likability, charisma and (of course) competence.  Regardless of what any of us thinks should happen with Jerry, there can be no argument that Jerry's persona will never be the same.  And it's completely legitimate for this to be the basis for removing him from the booth.
 
If the change does not have an impact on the masses, then the Sox won't make a move.  If ratings suffer and Jerry is identified as a source of fan discontent, they will.  Whether this is a fair outcome or not will have nothing to do with it.
 

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I voted yes...  I live in a glass house.  
 
I also don't enjoy the broadcast booth giggle fest that often occurs, or the incessant remdawg (TM) brand building.
 
As a father I can't fathom not hiring a psychiatrist for my son, or a counselor, or god help me a lawyer if I have the means.  I let my son pick himself up when he trips and stumbles, I try to illustrate the real world to him - he's just turned 14.  I tell him the truth instead of telling him what he wants to hear - or what others around him would say to protect his feelings.  My son trips and stumbles (not in a Remy like way just teenage stuff), but he is a good young boy aiming to be a man.  He will always be my son though and I can't see the day when I wouldn't be there for him in every way I thought he needed.  Sounds like a slippery slope though - when would enough be enough?  When does a father walk away from his son?  I love my sons, and can't fault another man who says the same - even if his son turns out to be a schmuck or a monster.
 
Do we have the same reaction in this forum if Jerry's son was a drunk driver (with a history of drunk driving) and the same young woman died?  The paper is littered with examples of people in life who've had a history of drunk driving and people stand by them - some go on to lead a life that is within societies rules - some don't.  Do we fire everyone who has stood by a drunk driver?  Are they enabling?  Should Andy Reid be fired because of his son's actions?  Some are advocating Remy be replaced by Eck - yet Eck's battles with demons are well chronicled.  I find a huge irony in calling for Remy to be thrown out of his job for indirect involvement (by enabling/poor parenting) to be replaced by a man who was by his own words fortunate not to injure others as a result of his direct actions/choices.
 
I've grown up and seen family members who make decisions and lifestyle choice I cannot condone.  I've seen family members chase (or be chased by) demons.  These topics are often black and white until these things visit your family, your neighborhood, your school.  I value the opinions others are bringing to this discussion, but I genuinely wonder how many of the "No" answers are from parents with kids that are teenagers.
 
Did I mention I've lived my whole life in glass houses... 
 
Edit: grammar
 

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Plympton91 said:
When did it become appropriate to fire someone for something their kid did?
 
Whether Remy is a good announcer is a separate question, but this poll wouldn't exist if the murder hadn't happened.
 
when you're the face/voice of a billion dollar company 
 
If he was a concession worker or a pizza vendor we wouldn't be having this discussion. But when you're literally the name/face/voice hundreds of thousands of people hear 162+ games a year, you're held to a higher standard.
 

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WEEI must love this. They had the neighbor on today as well. 
 
 
Added Hill: “I don’t know how the Remys are suffering. I suffer every day. And I can’t tell you, it’s a very personal thing for them to be going through, and I couldn’t imagine. But I just don’t feel I’m hearing the accountability. And again, like I mentioned, there was no decency at all given to me. It would have been nice after the murder had they reached out at all and offered condolences or apologized for their son’s behavior on behalf of him or whatever. Or offered some sort of empathy. And none of that was given. That again was reflected in the interview. … I think that this is another instance where there’s been no decency shown toward me or my family. That’s what I think is disappointing.”
 
 
Should Jerry Remy apologize to the neighbor? I think he's been sincere about how messed up everything is, but I'm unsure if apologizing to the neighbor is necessary. I suspect this will provide more fodder to get rid of Remy. 
 

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I would be happy for him to be gone from a pure listening enjoyment reason.  I think he has gotten sloppy and insulated in his own antics, and better analysis or at least fresh humor would be much more valuable and interesting.
 

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NDame616 said:
 
when you're the face/voice of a billion dollar company 
 
If he was a concession worker or a pizza vendor we wouldn't be having this discussion. But when you're literally the name/face/voice hundreds of thousands of people hear 162+ games a year, you're held to a higher standard.
Marv Albert says hi...
 

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I have no love for Marv Albert, but here's what I remember about the case. Let me know if I' m wrong

1. He's in a relationship with this woman, who by all accounts is kind of unstable.
2. He dumps her
3. After he dumps her she often approaches him at games, is friendly, wants him back etc according to john Andres, his broadcast partner
4. She accuses him of physical abuse, scratching her back violently, etc
5 his lawyer lines up a bunch of guys who also had sex with her and claim she craved that kind of treatment as part of their sex play
6. The judge rules that those witnesses can't testify
7. Rather than risk a jury trial without the benefit of those witnesses, where he could do time, Marv decides to settle.
 

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I have no love for Marv Albert, but here's what I remember about the case. Let me know if I' m wrong

1. He's in a relationship with this woman, who by all accounts is kind of unstable.
2. He dumps her
3. After he dumps her she often approaches him at games, is friendly, wants him back etc according to john Andres, his broadcast partner
4. She accuses him of physical abuse, scratching her back violently, etc
5 his lawyer lines up a bunch of guys who also had sex with her and claim she craved that kind of treatment as part of their sex play
6. The judge rules that those witnesses can't testify
7. Rather than risk a jury trial without the benefit of those witnesses, where he could do time, Marv decides to settle.
 
The part you left out, which has always stuck with me, is that he swore up and down in a press conference that he absolutely, positively, never did any of the things she claimed he did, and then it turned out he was lying through his teeth.
 
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I think that the team of Orsillo and Remy is one of the better teams calling baseball games. Miles better than the Yes announcers, though so is Marcel Marceau.
 
Eck is pretty good with Orsillo, so that wouldn't be a bad thing.
 
I think the backlash on Remy is borderline idiotic, at least if people are using his douchenozzle son as the reasoning. Jerry didn't kill her and since his son is an adult... well... sort of... anyhow, Jerry isn't responsible for his son's actions.
 
As for them joking around and laughing. I enjoy it and think its funny, as long as it doesn't disrupt the action on the field.
 

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...I think the backlash on Remy is borderline idiotic, at least if people are using his douchenozzle son as the reasoning. Jerry didn't kill her and since his son is an adult... well... sort of... anyhow, Jerry isn't responsible for his son's actions....
 
Some of this is definitely ridiculous but given that all three of his offspring have had trouble with the law, isn't it understandable that some people think he was a bad parent?
 

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I understand how and why the idea that we're all enablers makes us uncomfortable.  But Domestic Violence is so sadly pervasive and ingrained in American society that you are, even if you try hard not to be.
 
DV is a very important issue to me.  I used to work at a DV agency, and Rev's analogy of The Matrix is apt.  It's everywhere and you don't realize how in deep you are until you learn what it really is.  (Shortly after starting work there I realized that one of my closer friends had been in an abusive relationship in front of my eyes, and I had absolutely no idea until that moment years later.  I wrote an article about that for my hometown paper; please forgive the poor Wicked Local editing.)  Through working there and being exposed to both the underlying causes and symptoms of DV, I've become very attuned to it.  And yet, I am still an enabler of DV.
 
Let me give an example:  someone I greatly admire was accused of rape, and my initial reaction was to make excuses and try to poke holes in the accusation.  What's her motive in coming forward?  Isn't it possible that she remembers what happened incorrectly?  There's no way he could have done it, she must be lying.  After thinking through all those scenarios and looking for all those excuses, I realized what I was doing and became very ashamed.  I didn't want him to be a rapist, so I was looking for any way possible to attack her.  I've since come to terms with the fact that barring new information that actual exonerates him (very unlikely), he almost certainly did it.  But the fact that I was so quick to attack the victim in this particular case despite being attuned to these issues was very disturbing.  I caught myself in this case; how many times didn't I?
 
I try very hard to be part of the solution, and yet there are times when I'm part of the problem.  That's how pervasive it is in our society, and how ingrained in our thinking it is.  Be uncomfortable about it, and confused, and introspective, but there's no need to get defensive.  The deck is stacked severely against people who want to help, and I believe all of you who say you do.  If you don't get very uncomfortable and start to think back on your your past history as you learn about it, then you probably aren't really learning anything at all.
 

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This is getting a little too V&N, but there's no certainty in the nature vs. nurture debate on violent sociopaths with addictive personalities. It's entirely possible nothing Remy could have done differently would have mattered, and it highly unlikely a restraining order would have stopped Jared Remy from visiting Jen Martel that night. Blame the criminal justice system that still does too little to protect women from abuse and a judge who let a battered woman's statement against her clear interests influence his decision, not a grieving father.
 

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To me, I wouldn't put my worst enemy in Jerry Remy's shoes right now.  Not only does he have to deal with the loss of a daughter-in-law, he has to deal with the shame as well.  So awful.
 
That being said, I wholeheartedly agree that Eckersley is far more interesting in the booth- 'cheese' references aside- than Remy is or ever was.  I hope that ownership and NESN allow for the Remy era to end mercifully.
 

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I really don't mind the guy, sure, the schoolgirl giggles with Don get annoying at times but most of the time I am watching the action and not listening, I tune them out very easily. At times I find them entertaining, I loved the rhetoric with "pizza guy" for example, it was the kind of stuff I would be saying  with my buddies. They are like a couple of kids. I'm not in the Boston market and don't read the Globe or Herald , so I'm not really keeping up with the court ongoings. Maybe that's why I don't mind one way or the other. However, I do respect why people would want him out of the broadcasting booth based on his personal life or due to the fact that they think he just sucks...I'm just not one of them. I'm happy keeping him.
 

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Plympton91 said:
This is getting a little too V&N, but there's no certainty in the nature vs. nurture debate on violent sociopaths with addictive personalities. It's entirely possible nothing Remy could have done differently would have mattered, and it highly unlikely a restraining order would have stopped Jared Remy from visiting Jen Martel that night. Blame the criminal justice system that still does too little to protect women from abuse and a judge who let a battered woman's statement against her clear interests influence his decision, not a grieving father.
The V&N irony here is that your posting history credits being gay to Nurture and being a batterer to Nature.

In other words, you're more forgiving of the woman beater.
 

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I have no interest in punishing him, or in blaming him. But, to me his persona is ruined. He was carefree guy with a sense of humor that talked about baseball games. I actually found him a likable personality, but one of the least important losses in this tragedy is the shattering of that character. In light of everything it will be a best incredibly uncomfortable when Jerry and Don have playful banter about Don spilling mustard on his tie. Until the trial is resolved, it is just going to be a bad for the broadcast to have Jerry on the air. Perhaps, after the trial after his son is in jail, and some public contrition, and a desire "to put it all behind" he could come back. But now while the trial is on, it sucks. If JWH loves him so much pay him to stay home and be with his family.
 

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Jerry Remy's livelihood is as a broadcaster...a Red Sox broadcaster. It's not like he can go do this somewhere else. A back office NESN job, or Red Sox job wouldn't do it. If he were accused of a crime..different story. But he's not. To remove his ability to make a living means very likely that his granddaughter's quality of life could change drastically.

I like Jerry's analysis in the booth and his rapport with Orsillo. I voted yes. I hope he makes a ton more money and gets things setup for his granddaughter and then finds the strength and courage to go and help some other victims of domestic violence. I think it would be good for all of them. And while they're at it, I'd also like to see someone focus a bit on what type of link there might be between athletics/athletes, violence, and steroids.

I think SoSH should participate too...
 

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The Allented Mr Ripley said:
The V&N irony here is that your posting history credits being gay to Nurture and being a batterer to Nature.

In other words, you're more forgiving of the woman beater.
Should the parents of homosexuals need forgiveness from their employers?

I'm not being forgiving of the abuser, I'm being forgiving of the abuser's family members.

The abuser should rot in prison and we should have stronger penalties for first offenses and more help for victims across the board given that we know such situations are likely to escalate.

And my general position on nature vs nurture is summarized by the phrase, "both..., and..., but..." So your attempt to slander me with simplistic partisan pablum fails miserably.
 

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The issue is somewhat clouded by the fact that some here don't like Remy as a broadcaster and want him gone because of that. 
 
As for me, I interpret the poll question as more a referendum on Remy's perceived moral failings and my sentiments are along the lines of those expressed by LuckySox and Retractable Roof so I'm voting yes. I'd vote to get Remy out of the booth if I thought it would help the little girl who lost her mom. 
 
Also, I feel pretty horrible for Phoebe. 
 

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He's pretty boring in the booth and at calling games. That's the reason I'd want Eck or someone else, but you can't be professionally punished for something your kid did - that's way over the line of decency.
 

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So, would you back your boss being fired if his child did something horrendous? How about a co-worker? The answer better be "yes" in both case if you'd like to see Remy gone for the same reason.
 
How about the child of your favorite actor being a murderer? Would you stop watching the movies?
 
I just don't like where this discussion is going because some people are passing judgment on a person who committed no crime, unless of course he's a closet Muslim - in which case he should definitely be fired. 
 

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Well, it would kind of depend on what "my boss" does if I want him fired for something their kid did. If he were a brain surgeon, and the only person who could do the job, then no. Jerry, on the other hand, talks about baseball. And your actor question doesn't help either. Lots of actors have had their careers ruined for less - see the Hollywood Blacklist for many examples.

Jerry is in the entertainment business, and a lot of his job security depends on whether the audience likes him. If NESN, or the sponsors, get enough calls from people saying they won't watch Jerry, then he is gone.That might not be fair, but that is how things work in the entertainment business.
 

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luckysox said:
 
This did not just happen because Jerry Remy was a craptastic father, or because he paid Jared's legal bills, or because his wife had a relationship with the victim that made the whole thing even more entwined and messed up. It also happened because we allow domestic violence, and violence against women in particular, to happen in this country.  
 
I am not taking a position on whether Jerry should be fired, I think he bears a little responsibility, but he must be going through hell right now. And especially since Jared kept his nose clean for 5-8 years I have trouble holding the parents fully responsible now.

However my reaction to his potential firing is different than yours. Jerry's firing would send a message- "families and friends of guys who are violent: be careful how much you appear to take their side, because there can be consequences."

Edit: wording
 

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I also like the Remy-Orsillo rapport, if only for the fact that my wife finds them amusing enough to not give me grief over devoting so many hours to watching baseball.  I pop in with a recounting of their latest giggle-fit and she's chuckling along with them while I ignore whatever it is she might have been annoyed at me about for another hour or two.  
 
It seems pointless to fire him for something he did not do and is dealing with off the field, which does not involve the team at all.  I think this is at least as much about people who have wanted him gone for many years using a current event as an excuse to treat that preference as a moral imperative.  That's particularly the case when using his hawking of the Remdawg brand as an excuse, I think I last remember him mentioning his website and scorecards maybe 4 years ago?  It seems like NESN told him to tone it down and he has. Don makes the occasional reference to his restaurant, but I can't recall anything else recent enough to be relevant.
 
I think Remy is likely well into the McCarver-esque "Was once good, now meh and on the downslope" part of his broadcasting career, but that doesn't mean that the in-booth alternatives won't be even worse.  Remy leaving won't make your childhood's broadcasting styles suddenly back in vogue at NESN.  They aren't going to quit having an annoying sideline reporter or interrupting the game for interviews with the organizer of Sally's Charity Kitty Hat Knitting Event once he's gone.  The thought of how awful some of the road color commentators will be with Eck at home and maybe in Oakland and scrubs everywhere else chills my blood, even though I'd take Eck and Don over Remy and Don in a late-1970s Red Sox heartbeat.  
 
I would like to say that I want Remy to stay in the booth because, as luckysox and Rev and a few others have touched upon, it's important to remind us to be uncomfortable about these things.  Unfortunately, that would just be me latching onto a more morally acceptable line of reasoning to support my personal broadcasting preference.  
 
I hope he stays, and I hope the visibility helps bring awareness to the DV problem, but they're honestly separate thoughts.  
 

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The sins of the son should not be the burden of the father, but so too should the father not foot the son's legal bill. That is the tipping point for me. I could have maybe gone forward had he at least stopped defending the guy, but he has been and continues to be an enabler.
 
 
Yes, in a non-public, non-entertainment position, the discussion is different, but goodness, he is a 'color' commentator for baseball games. His job is to be both smart and jovial. Leaving aside his 30 years of weaknesses in the job, it now becomes beyond absurd to imagine that this is a good idea for him to go on. The question of whether or not he should continue, by the way, is entirely different than whether or not he has a legal right to the job. This is (weakly) analogous to whether or not a released player has the right to his job. He has a contractual right to his pay but not his job. This is where I am at with Remy.  
 

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It seems that Jerry Remy pays for his son's lawyer from the $ he makes in his various funding streams (paycheck from NESN, his restaurant etc) or the State of MA does.
 
I voted that he should start in the booth and let's see how it goes. The Red Sox ownership/NESN is not so sentimental that if there's a massive public backlash they're going to keep him on air and risk the bad press.
 

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Honest question: Is anything going to really change if he starts in the booth? What do you think will happen? People will forget what his son did?

Jerry Remy is the literal mouthpiece of the team. Every single inning of every single game his mere presence will remind me of what his son did.

It's not fair, I agree. But if you live a public life, IMHO the rules are different.
 

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Like I said I don't have a problem with Remy staying on. Those who feel strongly about it can boycott the games on NESN. If enough people do the same, I guess that gets JWH attention, but for now he is betting that everyone will still tune in, and after a great season last year I would make the same bet.
 
I wonder if Remy gets the same slack if this was March 31, 2013. Maybe not.
 

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 Every single inning of every single game his mere presence will remind me of what his son did.
 
Really?  I might think about it a bit at first, but I can't imagine it not wearing off, save for times when Jared is making new headlines (for his trial or whatever).  
 

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Honest question: Is anything going to really change if he starts in the booth? What do you think will happen? People will forget what his son did?

Jerry Remy is the literal mouthpiece of the team. Every single inning of every single game his mere presence will remind me of what his son did.

It's not fair, I agree. But if you live a public life, IMHO the rules are different.
 
I agree with this.  I actually really like the Don and Jerry schtick during games.  I've enjoyed him as an analyst.  I don't think that a person should get fired for something the son did. But.  I won't be able to watch a game anymore with him there and NOT think about the Glob article and what a murderous monster he raised.  So that's it.  Watching a Red Sox game on TV is an escape for me.  Having him there will take away some of the enjoyment for me.  I think he should step away.
 
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The sins of the son should not be the burden of the father, but so too should the father not foot the son's legal bill. That is the tipping point for me. I could have maybe gone forward had he at least stopped defending the guy, but he has been and continues to be an enabler.
 
I can't believe I'm hearing people say that Remy should have somehow not paid for his son's legal needs.  Leaving aside the fact that any parent with the means would do the same for their child no matter what they were accused of - do we not believe in right to counsel?  On this board, perhaps 30% of whose membership are attorneys?  Even the most conservative, fire-and-brimstone person on issues of crime and punishment should at least appreciate that it's not the State paying for a public defender, and thus coming out of their pockets.  But more importantly: Give the Devil benefit of law, for your own sake.
 
So, if he was otherwise fit to keep his job absent his son's actions, and if he was otherwise not entangled in his son's nefarious acts, it's somehow Jerry Remy's paying of legal bills that disqualify him from continuing to (mostly) entertain you for 162 games a year?  I can't fathom the logic that would support that point of view.
 
"Stopped defending the guy" - yeah, he's offering no excuses for his son's actions.  He's not a supporter of domestic violence, nor is he even in any denial or bargaining phases with his grief over the effective loss of his son's life, liberty, and/or soul.  Phil Robertson of Duck Dynasty, meanwhile, is unapologetic about his gay-hating, and is still on the air.  Jerry has acknowledged the terrible tragedy his son has wrought, gone on radio to further explain the situation, and yet somehow needs to fall on his own sword, too?  Those are some pretty lofty standards you expect of public figures.  I wonder how many of us could meet them.  Let he who is without sin...
 
 
The Allented Mr Ripley said:
The V&N irony here is that your posting history credits being gay to Nurture and being a batterer to Nature.

In other words, you're more forgiving of the woman beater.
 
Leaving aside the idea that we should avoid ad-hominem arguments on a board of this caliber... I think it's fair to credit P91 with a total change of heart over the last few years when it comes to issues of gay equality.  He now fully supports gay rights, as far as I have heard, and furthermore he attributes that to arguments he heard on V&N which he found persuasive.  Good Keynesian that he is, perhaps.
 
If we're going to talk of the subject of forgiveness, I'd suggest that P91 deserves some public praise for his coming-around on that.  I mean, maybe we don't kill the fatted calf, but our brother here was lost, and is found, and it is appropriate to be glad.  I'd like to hope that I'm capable of reversing my opinion if I ever realize I'm so wrong about such a deeply-held belief.
 
So this criticism of his post is unfair in a couple respects - inaccurate that he doesn't attribute being gay to nurture, incomplete in that it's an oversimplification of a grossly complex Nature/Nurture debate (in either instance), and fallacious in that his own beliefs have no bearing on the accuracy of what he's claiming (which is, simply, that Jerry Remy might not even deserve criticism as a parent for his son's actions, nevermind whether he should bear responsibility in his professional role).
 

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See, this is where a "like" button or something of the sort would come in handy.   But I'll clutter the thread with my approval for MDLs post, particularly the issue of not bashing someone like P91 who has had their view of an issue expand and evolve. 
 

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Fair or not, that's just how it is for me. Going to be very hard to enjoy Jerry and Don goofing off knowing what we now know.
 
Maybe.  But I no longer check for emergency exit doors when I go out (as I did after the Station fire) and I don't even think of 9/11 when I fly.  Things go back to normal.
 

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I honestly don't care about what his son did. Literally the only time I'll think about it is when this board mentions it. Shit like this happens countless times every single day, and even if Jared is a piece of shit there are millions out there over the world that are similar, but we're focusing on this one because of his dad. This wouldn't even be a story if Jerry Remy wasn't his father, he would just be any other shithead out there doing shithead acts that happen all too frequently. I want Remy doing the broadcast because I don't understand the vindication towards him.
 
At the same time I don't really care if he's not here if it means Eckersley is his replacement. But I think firing him for something Jared did is crazy, face of a company be damned. Would any of you in any other profession get fired for something a relative did? Seems doubtful at best.
 

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So this criticism of his post is unfair in a couple respects - inaccurate that he doesn't attribute being gay to nurture, incomplete in that it's an oversimplification of a grossly complex Nature/Nurture debate (in either instance), and fallacious in that his own beliefs have no bearing on the accuracy of what he's claiming (which is, simply, that Jerry Remy might not even deserve criticism as a parent for his son's actions, nevermind whether he should bear responsibility in his professional role).
 
 
See, this is where a "like" button or something of the sort would come in handy.   But I'll clutter the thread with my approval for MDLs post, particularly the issue of not bashing someone like P91 who has had their view of an issue expand and evolve.
 
 
 
I'll be the first one to admit I was a jerk with my post to P91. The analogy was tenuous at best, and this wasn't the forum for such a comment anyway.