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I did get a little tired of his standing around, arms crossed with a scowl on his face pose, like he's the baddest dude around. Excitement is awesome, posing not so much.
You did see him at the end, right? He started laughing and told all the media surrounding him, "Alright, alright."

He was hamming it up. Enjoy life a little bit.
 

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It is really neat. That feeling of your team winning a Super Bowl for the first time is special and two of these franchises are tortured cities and the third is freaking Jacksonville.

It's also kind of fun we have three teams of the same archetype (beastly defense, talented skill guys, questionable QB) and...NE. Never more of a "big bad guy" situation.
Obviously I want the Pats to win, but Khan giving free tickets to 1,000 refugees for last weeks game made me a fan of his and the team.
 

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I can’t believe they have to kick the XP.

That would be like a home team player hitting a game winning home run and then they still have to finish out the inning.
 

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He was roaring up the field at him before he slowed though. The overhead shot captures it.


Watch the replay from behind Williams at the 46 second mark. At no time would I describe what he did as "roaring up the field..." In fact, I don't think he ever got close to full speed. I mean, he almost comes to a complete stop and then kind of dives forward. He barely even rolled when he hit the ground.

I don't necessarily disagree with you guys that he probably had thoughts of DPI or trying to keep Diggs from going out of bounds on his mind, but I honestly think the guy went blank for a second. An NFL defensive back doesn't completely whiff like that ever, forget the situation. He literally did not make any contact with Diggs and IMO, he could have easily slowed down or stopped and kept the play in front of him. Why he dove where he did with his head down is beyond me.
 

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Williams needs to just stay between his man and the endzone, obviously.

Look at Harmon in the last Steelers game vs this play. Which safety is better trained in situational football, who wins the game on the last play? Seahawks SB, XLIX, etc, who is better prepared, who wins the endgame?

Also, Brees deserves better.
 

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This is an amazing sideline view. Watch the whole thing

The best part of that was the ref calmly throwing the flag for removing the helmet.

This is a great view of the play and really shows just how badly Williams screwed that up. With that said, #20 should be getting a ton of shit as well for pulling up like he did. Just a weird play all around.
 

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For anyone wondering why it's running almost in fast forward, it was shot in high speed (probably 60fps) to be slowed down later.
 
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The best part of that was the ref calmly throwing the flag for removing the helmet.

This is a great view of the play and really shows just how badly Williams screwed that up. With that said, #20 should be getting a ton of shit as well for pulling up like he did. Just a weird play all around.
That's an incredible shot and angle, especially with the big screen up in the background. NOLA defense already penned in the W. Half the team watches the play as soon as the ball is thrown (around :07), especially the other safety #48 who pulls up from coverage and stands still for 3-4 seconds. Considering he was at the 10 yard line when the football crosses the plane he easily had an opportunity to make a play and make MIN kick the FG.

Hard to say what Williams was thinking in that view. It's like one of those airplane crashes caused by the pilot having to make the worst possible choice and worst possible execution for it for a series of like 20 decisions in a row. One of the best sports moments I've ever seen and a great contrast to the "but was it a catch?" replayomania that goes on so often nowadays
 
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It's a different feeling because the Pats' legacy has already been cemented. Brady is the best QB of all time and Belichick is the best coach of all time. ... Again, house money. We're sewing more and more patches onto our Cub Scouts sash. Everyone already knows we're the best, regardless of how it ends.
You know what those best-of-all-times would say to this?

This team hasn't won anything yet.

Eh. They lost at home to the Lions. I have more fear of Brees in a dome.
Need we remind people that the juggernaut Patriots lost to Kansas City, Carolina, and to a 6-10 Miami team who had nothing to play for but pride? Nobody's perfect, any given sunday, but week in and week out the Vikings were the best team in the NFC. They beat "Brees in a dome" twice this year, beat the Falcons, beat the Rams soundly, and led the NFL in points allowed. You want a pretender riding a hot streak, go look at the 2003 Panthers - these Vikings, in stark contrast, have absolutely earned their rep.

This is an amazing sideline view. Watch the whole thing
The family of saints fans at 0:24-0:25 is my favorite part, just for how incongruous it is.
 

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I watched the Minnesota game at my neighbor’s house who is a lifelong Vikings fan from Duluth. He had ~40 people at his house and maybe 5 (myself included) were rooting for the Vikes.

Watching him watch the end of that game was a top 5 all times sports viewing experience for me. Incredible.
 

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I watched the Minnesota game at my neighbor’s house who is a lifelong Vikings fan from Duluth. He had ~40 people at his house and maybe 5 (myself included) were rooting for the Vikes.

Watching him watch the end of that game was a top 5 all times sports viewing experience for me. Incredible.
That is awesome. It must have been shock and pure joy for him.
 

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The interpretation that Williams got there too soon and slowed up to avoid DPI makes complete sense... until you watch the video, where there's no evidence for it at all. I think he simply had it locked into his brain— "Must cut off sideline at all costs"— and it was a failure of imagination to recognize that a TD was a real possibility here and that he was the last guy between Diggs and the end zone.
 

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I watched the Minnesota game at my neighbor’s house who is a lifelong Vikings fan from Duluth. He had ~40 people at his house and maybe 5 (myself included) were rooting for the Vikes.

Watching him watch the end of that game was a top 5 all times sports viewing experience for me. Incredible.
A life long Vikings fan hosts 35 Saints or neutral fans for that game? I absolutely could not host a gathering like that unless everyone was a Pats fan.
 

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Williams needs to just stay between his man and the endzone, obviously.

Look at Harmon in the last Steelers game vs this play. Which safety is better trained in situational football, who wins the game on the last play? Seahawks SB, XLIX, etc, who is better prepared, who wins the endgame?

Also, Brees deserves better.
I was thinking that would have been another Harmon game closer, too.
 

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The interpretation that Williams got there too soon and slowed up to avoid DPI makes complete sense... until you watch the video, where there's no evidence for it at all. I think he simply had it locked into his brain— "Must cut off sideline at all costs"— and it was a failure of imagination to recognize that a TD was a real possibility here and that he was the last guy between Diggs and the end zone.
I mean, there’s a slow motion video of him getting there early posted in this thread and it shows him getting to Diggs early and veering course to avoid contact at the last second. You might be right, but I have no idea how the video disproves the theory.
 

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I thought I saw two deep safeties on one of the replays and wondered where the other one was on that play.
This is where I was. My first instinct was "why didn't he get out of bounds for the FG?" Then I was like: "why isn't there another safety closing him down, where the hell is that guy?"
 

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I did get a little tired of his standing around, arms crossed with a scowl on his face pose, like he's the baddest dude around. Excitement is awesome, posing not so much.
After that play he could have pulled out his schwontz and smacked the guy in the Brees jersey in the end zone seats in the face with it if he wanted to.

After that play he can do whatever the fuck he wants.
 

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After that play he could have pulled out his schwontz and smacked the guy in the Brees jersey in the end zone seats in the face with it if he wanted to.

After that play he can do whatever the fuck he wants.
Yeah let’s also not lose sight of the fact that the young man is 24. If he has a long and productive career, that catch will still be the highlight. I say let him enjoy the moment.
 

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A life long Vikings fan hosts 35 Saints or neutral fans for that game? I absolutely could not host a gathering like that unless everyone was a Pats fan.
Yeah, it was mostly “neutral” people with a smattering of Purdue people rooting loudly for Saints, including a bunch of punk ass 10 year olds. But he’s Minnesota nice so no one got thrown out.

I’ve been living outside of MA for all the Pats and Sox championships so I’ve had to develop a pretty thick hide. I had a house full of Colts fans for the SB last year, and as painful as the first 3/4 of that game were it made the victory even sweeter if that’s possible.
 

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Yeah let’s also not lose sight of the fact that the young man is 24. If he has a long and productive career, that catch will still be the highlight. I say let him enjoy the moment.
To say that the moment will be the highlight of this man's career is downplaying it considerably.

This is one of the great moments, not only in his history, or Vikings history, or NFL history, but in the history of sports, ever.

Every kid dreams of being that kind of hero - this was too implausible for any dream even.

"Let him enjoy it?" Oh I suppose we can be so generous.
 

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Watch the replay from behind Williams at the 46 second mark. At no time would I describe what he did as "roaring up the field..." In fact, I don't think he ever got close to full speed. I mean, he almost comes to a complete stop and then kind of dives forward. He barely even rolled when he hit the ground.

I don't necessarily disagree with you guys that he probably had thoughts of DPI or trying to keep Diggs from going out of bounds on his mind, but I honestly think the guy went blank for a second. An NFL defensive back doesn't completely whiff like that ever, forget the situation. He literally did not make any contact with Diggs and IMO, he could have easily slowed down or stopped and kept the play in front of him. Why he dove where he did with his head down is beyond me.

He was thinking too much. He knew that if he tackled him inbounds the game was over so wanted to be between player and sidelines so his undercut would only knock him towards field not towards sideline. He was thinking too much instead of just hitting the guy. So instead of "just make the play" he's thinking "make the play, keep him inbounds, gotta hit him from this side, etc."

I feel for the kid.
 

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i’m willing to bet that just before the last play, the coaches told the Vikings DBs to be sure of two things:

1.) no PI
2.) keep them in bounds

i expect Williams was so focused on that he forgot the prime objective — stop the play.
 

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Need we remind people that the juggernaut Patriots lost to Kansas City, Carolina, and to a 6-10 Miami team who had nothing to play for but pride?
No. That's my point. We shouldn't build this up into some pit of doom if we play in Minnesota.
 

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No. That's my point. We shouldn't build this up into some pit of doom if we play in Minnesota.
Oh, if it's about the location, that I totally buy. It's like a world series crowd x10 - all corporate sponsors, generic rich people, raffle winners and the like. The individual teams' fanbases are a small fraction, I believe equally awarded, and will mostly cancel each other out. There won't be any special homefield advantage other than the fact that, if they make it, the Vikings won't have to travel.

That said, independent of the location, Minnesota is a fearsome team.
 

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I watched the Minnesota game at my neighbor’s house who is a lifelong Vikings fan from Duluth. He had ~40 people at his house and maybe 5 (myself included) were rooting for the Vikes.

Watching him watch the end of that game was a top 5 all times sports viewing experience for me. Incredible.
He had a big crowd over and only a handful rooting for his team?

How very Minnesotan of him.
 

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Oh, if it's about the location, that I totally buy. It's like a world series crowd x10 - all corporate sponsors, generic rich people, raffle winners and the like. The individual teams' fanbases are a small fraction, I believe equally awarded, and will mostly cancel each other out. There won't be any special homefield advantage other than the fact that, if they make it, the Vikings won't have to travel.

That said, independent of the location, Minnesota is a fearsome team.
This would be different. There’s no way Vikings fans wouldn’t crush the secondary market and end up with tens of thousands of real fans at the game. The place would be rockin’ unlike any SB crowd ever. Not that the Pats or Jags couldn’t overcome it.
 

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Yep--the Vikings can win just based on their team. The thought that Brady and the Patriots couldn't win because of the crowd noise or whatever? Eh.
 

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Superbowl 49 was essentially a road game and Pats are 15-1 the past two season on the road, so I have confidence.

I want the Eagles to win because I think they are the inferior opponent, of course.
 

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Obviously I want the Pats to win, but Khan giving free tickets to 1,000 refugees for last weeks game made me a fan of his and the team.
Wow that's great! Good for him - what a terrific gesture.

He was thinking too much. He knew that if he tackled him inbounds the game was over so wanted to be between player and sidelines so his undercut would only knock him towards field not towards sideline. He was thinking too much instead of just hitting the guy. So instead of "just make the play" he's thinking "make the play, keep him inbounds, gotta hit him from this side, etc."
Don't underestimate the importance of keeping Diggs in bounds. Had Williams messed up conventionally and tackled him out of bounds there would have been 4 seconds on the clock and Minn would have had a 51 (52 at most) yard FG attempt for the win. Forbath was 6 for 9 this year in 50+ yard attempts so you can't say that "just making the play" would have been acceptable. He had to tackle him in bounds.
 

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Wow that's great! Good for him - what a terrific gesture.


Don't underestimate the importance of keeping Diggs in bounds. Had Williams messed up conventionally and tackled him out of bounds there would have been 4 seconds on the clock and Minn would have had a 51 (52 at most) yard FG attempt for the win. Forbath was 6 for 9 this year in 50+ yard attempts so you can't say that "just making the play" would have been acceptable. He had to tackle him in bounds.
Well he had to TACKLE him, one way or the other. Not tackling him meant a game-losing touchdown. Tackling him in bounds meant winning the game. Tackling him out of bounds still would have left Forbath, yes, with a 51 yarder. In his career he's 11-17 from 50+ (64.7%), and 6-9 this year (66.7%). So yes, you'd bet money on a make there, but that's hardly an unreasonable chance that he'd miss. You still have a chance then. Williams did, basically, the only thing he couldn't do - miss the tackle.

PS - I don't know how Diggs got so wide open on the sideline anyway. Isn't that what the Saints were supposed to be defending against?
 

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I'd imagine given Pats fatigue + the fun hometown team angle will swing most of the neutrals to the Vike's corner as well. Just another obstacle to overcome should the Pats be lucky enough to get back to the big game.
 

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I am shocked that the Jags scored 45 points on the Steelers. Even with their LB injuries shouldn't the Steelers have stacked the box and dared Bortles to beat them?
 

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Well he had to TACKLE him, one way or the other. Not tackling him meant a game-losing touchdown. Tackling him in bounds meant winning the game. Tackling him out of bounds still would have left Forbath, yes, with a 51 yarder. In his career he's 11-17 from 50+ (64.7%), and 6-9 this year (66.7%). So yes, you'd bet money on a make there, but that's hardly an unreasonable chance that he'd miss. You still have a chance then. Williams did, basically, the only thing he couldn't do - miss the tackle.

PS - I don't know how Diggs got so wide open on the sideline anyway. Isn't that what the Saints were supposed to be defending against?
The other outcome, the one it looks like he’s afraid of, is tackling him in-or-out of bounds and getting hit with a penalty that stops the clock and puts them well within safe field goal range.

He should have stayed on his feet.

Once he committed to the low tackle he should have just let the chips fall where they may.
 

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I would imagine wrapping him up on his feet as he is coming down would have allowed him to keep him inbounds, stop forward progress, and then Minn would have been scrambling to spike.
 

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There's no chance at all they get a chance to spike the ball. He sprinted 40 yards to the end zone as the clock hit 0--so from catch to end zone ran out the clock--a WR going 35-40 yards in 4-5 seconds.

There was no way the OL was sprinting to wherever he was tackled, even if it was immediate. They were at there own 30 to 35---they couldn't get to the Saints 35 or so in time.