#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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I don't hate Andrew Luck, but if he blows out his knee in the first quarter of the Colts opener I will not shed a tear over it.
(Make it happen witches of Salem!)
(Make it happen witches of Salem!)
What?GBrushTWood said:
What the hell does Luck have to do with any of this? What a stupid thing to wish for.Remagellan said:
dcmissle said:
Agreed--it's inconceivable that he wasn't fully aware of them (and the likely prospects) long ago. If I were guessing, part of why he said what he did Friday is that his legal options are poor---and thus, hoping for a reasonable punishment was his best play, until it didn't work.
I can't imagine what will happen if the Patriots start the season 2-2. Fire Belichick? Cut Brady? Imagine the horror.
Papelbon's Poutine said:
Ah, yes, anything that justifies he should have another ring in his mind. He's still convinced his walkthrough was taped because the Pats "knew all their plays" on the goal line, which consisted of two runs up the middle, a standard in-cut, and a fade.
Bob,
We can fight this and spend a lot of money, but in the end you should know your chances of success are very low from a legal perspective. We can raise a lot of hell but we aren't winning this one - just want to make sure we are on the same page with your goals. My recommendation is for you to work them back channels and through other owners
We can fight this and spend a lot of money, but in the end you should know your chances of success are very low from a legal perspective. We can raise a lot of hell but we aren't winning this one - just want to make sure we are on the same page with your goals. My recommendation is for you to work them back channels and through other owners
LT, Faulk, these guys are all having their cake and eating it too – LT just said that "the League got it right" and yet they all talk about how much they "love" Tom Brady.
Fuck them. Fuck them all.
Fuck them. Fuck them all.
Weren't the a couple (or one) poster here that said if BB or Brady were lying then Kraft has to fire/cut them?NortheasternPJ said:
So what happens when Goodell, as the appeal authority, reduces the suspension by two games? Still a court case, I'd guess, but I'm wondering how/if perceptions change. Not here of course, but in the media, arou8nd the league, etc.
I sort of expect something like that.
I sort of expect something like that.
PC Drunken Friar said:
Was it the same guy who posted "TB just quit on the New England Patriots" during the KC game this year?
Because, well, at some point the joke is on us for reading him....
There are about a thousand things I'd like to see, but generally, he should go to war, scorched earth style.
When we get to the actual games, the Pats should turn every single minute of every game into a rules clusterfuck, having refs measuring the jockstraps of each player between every snap, start complaining about the number of links in the chains, argue for measuring the goal posts each quarter, etc.
Also, just ignore the suspension. Make the NFL goons actually remove Brady from the field.
When we get to the actual games, the Pats should turn every single minute of every game into a rules clusterfuck, having refs measuring the jockstraps of each player between every snap, start complaining about the number of links in the chains, argue for measuring the goal posts each quarter, etc.
Also, just ignore the suspension. Make the NFL goons actually remove Brady from the field.
EvilEmpire said:
NFLPA is going to force Goodell and the league to have an independent arbitrator for the appeal. No way they let him be the final authority.
Robert Kraft is, by all accounts, an excellent business man. He is a business man before being a football guy.jsinger121 said:
Al Davis was a straight up football guy and I doubt anyone ever described him as an excellent business man.
I do not expect Kraft to sue the league and potentially harm his business interests. Kraft is no Al Davis.
I would expect Kraft to take a defiant stance (as he did tonight), but then totally shut up about it. He will pay the fine, concede the picks and then tell the rest of the organization that they are tasked with getting revenge. That revenge will come from winning football games and proving the team's greatness no matter how heavy the league punishes them unfairly.
He won't throw the baby out with the bath water. He'll outlast Goodell by a long, long time.
I keep hearing these references that the punishment was harsher because of Spygate, and it's driving me bonkers. Let's say the Pats sucked in 2010, and fired BB, and let's say in 2012, the team was sold to new ownership.
Does Spygate get brought in as a factor in these penalties if one or both of those things had occurred, like they have for what, two dozen other teams in the past 8 years? If not, doesn't that mean the Pats are getting a stiffer penalty than most other teams would get because of their success and because that success has led to them having the same ownership and coaches over that period?
There is so much to hate about this, and I could go on for pages about it, but every time I hear a reference to Spygate, I think to myself "Damn, if the Pats sucked and BB had gotten fired along the way, the league wouldn't have punished them so hard," and that's really an absurd thought to have, which unfortunately is true. Everything about this is absurd, and has been since the day of that shit beating against the Colts.
Does Spygate get brought in as a factor in these penalties if one or both of those things had occurred, like they have for what, two dozen other teams in the past 8 years? If not, doesn't that mean the Pats are getting a stiffer penalty than most other teams would get because of their success and because that success has led to them having the same ownership and coaches over that period?
There is so much to hate about this, and I could go on for pages about it, but every time I hear a reference to Spygate, I think to myself "Damn, if the Pats sucked and BB had gotten fired along the way, the league wouldn't have punished them so hard," and that's really an absurd thought to have, which unfortunately is true. Everything about this is absurd, and has been since the day of that shit beating against the Colts.
EvilEmpire said:
Has it been announced that Goodell is going to invoke his power to be the hearing officer? I think it's very unlikely that he would do that. He's tone deaf, but that would really be crazy.
To me, the question is how far to the mat the NFLPA is going to go for Brady on this -- because I think if they come out with a strong statement here and defend him the conversation at least among players starts to change a bit. I would think the NFLPA might really be gung ho to take up the cause of punishing a player for refusal to turn over a private cell phone. That seems like a pretty meaty issue -- if you want to demand that kind of authority over players and retain the right to punish them for not complying, you need to collectively bargain for it. That would be a reasonable union position to take, I would think.
How great must it be to be Rob Manfred - just by showing up for work on his first day in office, he was the 2nd best commissioner of the big 4 U.S. sports.Rudy Pemberton said:
Did this really happen? Like how the little Chris Simms is always introduced as "former Patriots assistant" although he probably did nothing but sharpened 2B pencils for the entire year he was here?NortheasternPJ said:
1. Advised back in February to hire Williams & Connolly or guys like them. Do it if they are not aboard. You need pit bulls with IQs of 150 who actually try cases, not white collar litigators from white shoe firms in Boston.
2. Appeal but be prepared to lose.
3. Back TB 1000%. Do not attempt to persuade him to settle. Give him every resource you can, which combined with the union's resources should be more than sufficient. This is the only way you can shred this case and these sanctions -- that is not likely to happen in your case.
4. Play the long game too to topple Goodell. How fast that can happen depends sun stilly on 3 above.
2. Appeal but be prepared to lose.
3. Back TB 1000%. Do not attempt to persuade him to settle. Give him every resource you can, which combined with the union's resources should be more than sufficient. This is the only way you can shred this case and these sanctions -- that is not likely to happen in your case.
4. Play the long game too to topple Goodell. How fast that can happen depends sun stilly on 3 above.
Al Davis was no slouch when it came to business.86spike said:
"In 1972, with Wayne Valley out of the country for several weeks attending the Olympic Games in Munich, Davis's attorneys drafted a revised partnership agreement that gave him total control over all of the Raiders' operations. McGah, a supporter of Davis, signed the agreement. Under partnership law, by a 2–1 vote of the general partners, the new agreement was thus ratified."
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Oakland_Raiders
H78 said:
Then he gets traded for a first round pick.
Would the Patriots be allowed to keep that one? Or would Goodell stamp his feet and in a huff order them not to be allowed?
Listening to Charlie Casserly reminds me of talking to my 90 yo grandfather a couple years after the senility really started setting in. Just complete nonsensical gibberish.
I just can't get over the fine and docking of draft picks. The suspension to TB seems a bit long, but I expected 1 or 2. The fine/picks, though, are nuts. The NFL is really out of control with its "jurisprudence," using its discipline program to send messages. Punishment should fit the crime. not be used to send messages.