#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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Of the many, many ways this furthers my hate of the league, it will be very hard to watch any meaningful Patriots game this coming season, especially playoffs, and not viscerally react to every single close call as the league ensuring that the Patriots do not reach the Super Bowl.
Dark arts were involved!? No wonder the Colts' balls were able to violate the Ideal Gas Law to remain in compliance!SeoulSoxFan said:
1. Anyone know what that "evidence" was? Is hearsay now evidence?
2. It's comical that previous infractions should have any impact on any conclusion, particularly if it's not the same infraction being repeated (for example, using stickum on towels after being warned)
3. What this comes down to is really, "more probable than not" that the balls were deflated by McNally, and "no preponderance of evidence" that Brady was involved...and then exaggerating both items.
If someone said they saw Rice knock out his girlfriend, but there wasn't a videotape...would that constitute "more probable than not?". If there was a videotape, but it didn't show what happened inside the elevator...oh, wait.
Brady should seriously consider retiring. He doesn't need to put up wit this shit.
And any QB's that don't come to his defense are a bigger assholes.
Through the grab of the picks, the NFL has skewed competition for the next ~5 years but hey, they protected the integrity of the game!
He should have bet that he'll be under bovadaeez nuts.Mloaf71 said:
Cuz he's nuts, if he thinks this is a reasonable response the Deflatenarock
The NFL will regret this decision. Instead of letting this story die like it should have before it got out of hand it will now bleed into the next 2 years of drafts and will be disussed in all draft talk for 3 years.
So the talk that will resonate in one of the league's annual marquee events and is guaranteed not to go away until after the 2018 draft.
Fucking baboons
So the talk that will resonate in one of the league's annual marquee events and is guaranteed not to go away until after the 2018 draft.
Fucking baboons
SeoulSoxFan said:
There's no doubt, this decision has created an incredible web of shared liability for infractions going forward. Of course, they neutralize it nicely by tying in the Spygate precedent as a reason for severity, notwithstanding how many other infractions have been committed by how many other teams since then.
MarcSullivaFan said:
But violations of the CBA can be appealed to a special master. You better the NFLPA will be going there, particularly if Goodell insists that refusing to hand over a personal cell phone can punished.
I'm sure it probably won't. But the absurdity of this whole thing has led me to believe that anything can happen.Average Reds said:
J.McG said:
Matt Hasselbeck has been a lot, lot more level-headed than Tim "Elizabeth's Hubby" Hasselbeck.
I can not wait until the NFL catches fire and suffers massive water damage and flooding from the fire department extinguishing the blaze.
I'm pretty sure I remember stuff about Brady reaching out to Herlizch when he had cancer at BC.J.McG said:
Same, feels just like when I was 8 and realized the WWE was fake. Just so disappointed at the complete bs that is this process, it's unfortunate to see this happen to what was my favorite sport. Nascar has more credibility and a better management system. Just funny, no other reaction, too far beyond reality to be anything else. Still curious if we just watched the tipping point.Ed Hillel said:
I eagerly await the four game suspension of Aaron Rogers and the 1st round and 4th round picks stripped fom the Minnesota Vikings, Carolina Panthers and San Diego Chargers.
Fuck you NFL. I'm done. Fuck you Goodell. I'm done until you are gone. What a crock of shit.
Fuck you NFL. I'm done. Fuck you Goodell. I'm done until you are gone. What a crock of shit.
Tell us that you are guilty or we will believe that you are not telling us everything. This thinking is insane. Anyone good enough to hack into the NFL network and release all of their emails? They would be a fun read.SeoulSoxFan said:
What happens if Goodell says he's going to be the arbitrator for the appeal? Can the Pats do anything about that?
Not to mention, their dad, Don was a Patriot and he grew up in New EnglandSeoulSoxFan said:
And the winner of the award for best unintentional comedy goes to Troy Vincent:
No, Troy, that was Roger Goodell, not Tom Brady.
No, Troy, that was Roger Goodell, not Tom Brady.
JimBoSox9 said:
If you are an NFL owner and read this, well, Holy Shit! Cleveland and the Falcons can't have ANY organizational infraction, not even the hint of one for at least the next 8 years? And the same for every other team that's had even the most minor of issues? Every owner in the NFL hates the Pats so much that they are willing to allow this precedent to stand? This thing may be aimed at a team you don't like today, what about tomorrow when Goodell feels slighted in some way by your coach or GM?
axx said:
What shenanigans? Winning the Super Bowl four times? Beating evey team they played in one season? Fuck the rest of the league. If they are pissed at losing, they need to get better.
Has the Court of Arbitration for Sport ever been involved in a case with a major North American league? I'd run this all the way up that flagpole just to expose it for all it is.
CaptainLaddie said:
Tagliabue has always been thought of as the arbitrator if Deflategate came to that.
Norm Siebern said:
Don't feed the troll.
Be wary of lurkers with more than 1 "x" in their usernames.
Highly unlikely. I'm sure there will be a couple of brain damaged Troy Aikman types on the Selection Committee that will refuse to vote for Brady because of this. But those votes will probably not be enough to keep him out, especially given the character of some of the folks that have been enshrined in Canton.Hank Scorpio said:
This all just a conspiracy to distract SoSH from the otherwise inevitable outcry at the Luis Jiminez DFA which should be happening any minute now
Full statement from Tom Brady's agent Don Yee:
"The discipline is ridiculous and has no legitimate basis. In my opinion, this outcome was pre-determined; there was no fairness in the Wells investigation whatsoever. There is no evidence that Tom directed footballs be set at pressures below the allowable limits. In fact, the evidence shows Tom clearly emphasized that footballs be set at pressures within the rules. Tom also cooperated with the investigation and answered every question presented to him. The Wells Report presents significant evidence, however, that the NFL lacks standards or protocols with respect to its handling of footballs prior to games; this is not the fault of Tom or the Patriots. The report also presents significant evidence the NFL participated with the Colts in some type of pre-AFC Championship Game planning regarding the footballs. This fact may raise serious questions about the integrity of the games we view on Sundays. We will appeal, and if the hearing officer is completely independent and neutral, I am very confident the Wells Report will be exposed as an incredibly frail exercise in fact-finding and logic. The NFL has a well-documented history of making poor disciplinary decisions that often are overturned when truly independent and neutral judges or arbitrators preside, and a former federal judge has found the commissioner has abused his discretion in the past, so this outcome does not surprise me. Sadly, today’s decision diminishes the NFL as it tells its fans, players and coaches that the games on the field don’t count as much as the games played on Park Avenue.”
"The discipline is ridiculous and has no legitimate basis. In my opinion, this outcome was pre-determined; there was no fairness in the Wells investigation whatsoever. There is no evidence that Tom directed footballs be set at pressures below the allowable limits. In fact, the evidence shows Tom clearly emphasized that footballs be set at pressures within the rules. Tom also cooperated with the investigation and answered every question presented to him. The Wells Report presents significant evidence, however, that the NFL lacks standards or protocols with respect to its handling of footballs prior to games; this is not the fault of Tom or the Patriots. The report also presents significant evidence the NFL participated with the Colts in some type of pre-AFC Championship Game planning regarding the footballs. This fact may raise serious questions about the integrity of the games we view on Sundays. We will appeal, and if the hearing officer is completely independent and neutral, I am very confident the Wells Report will be exposed as an incredibly frail exercise in fact-finding and logic. The NFL has a well-documented history of making poor disciplinary decisions that often are overturned when truly independent and neutral judges or arbitrators preside, and a former federal judge has found the commissioner has abused his discretion in the past, so this outcome does not surprise me. Sadly, today’s decision diminishes the NFL as it tells its fans, players and coaches that the games on the field don’t count as much as the games played on Park Avenue.”
Full statement from Tom Brady's agent Don Yee:
"The discipline is ridiculous and has no legitimate basis. In my opinion, this outcome was pre-determined; there was no fairness in the Wells investigation whatsoever. There is no evidence that Tom directed footballs be set at pressures below the allowable limits. In fact, the evidence shows Tom clearly emphasized that footballs be set at pressures within the rules. Tom also cooperated with the investigation and answered every question presented to him. The Wells Report presents significant evidence, however, that the NFL lacks standards or protocols with respect to its handling of footballs prior to games; this is not the fault of Tom or the Patriots. The report also presents significant evidence the NFL participated with the Colts in some type of pre-AFC Championship Game planning regarding the footballs. This fact may raise serious questions about the integrity of the games we view on Sundays. We will appeal, and if the hearing officer is completely independent and neutral, I am very confident the Wells Report will be exposed as an incredibly frail exercise in fact-finding and logic. The NFL has a well-documented history of making poor disciplinary decisions that often are overturned when truly independent and neutral judges or arbitrators preside, and a former federal judge has found the commissioner has abused his discretion in the past, so this outcome does not surprise me. Sadly, today’s decision diminishes the NFL as it tells its fans, players and coaches that the games on the field don’t count as much as the games played on Park Avenue.”
"The discipline is ridiculous and has no legitimate basis. In my opinion, this outcome was pre-determined; there was no fairness in the Wells investigation whatsoever. There is no evidence that Tom directed footballs be set at pressures below the allowable limits. In fact, the evidence shows Tom clearly emphasized that footballs be set at pressures within the rules. Tom also cooperated with the investigation and answered every question presented to him. The Wells Report presents significant evidence, however, that the NFL lacks standards or protocols with respect to its handling of footballs prior to games; this is not the fault of Tom or the Patriots. The report also presents significant evidence the NFL participated with the Colts in some type of pre-AFC Championship Game planning regarding the footballs. This fact may raise serious questions about the integrity of the games we view on Sundays. We will appeal, and if the hearing officer is completely independent and neutral, I am very confident the Wells Report will be exposed as an incredibly frail exercise in fact-finding and logic. The NFL has a well-documented history of making poor disciplinary decisions that often are overturned when truly independent and neutral judges or arbitrators preside, and a former federal judge has found the commissioner has abused his discretion in the past, so this outcome does not surprise me. Sadly, today’s decision diminishes the NFL as it tells its fans, players and coaches that the games on the field don’t count as much as the games played on Park Avenue.”
Full statement from Tom Brady's agent Don Yee:
"The discipline is ridiculous and has no legitimate basis. In my opinion, this outcome was pre-determined; there was no fairness in the Wells investigation whatsoever. There is no evidence that Tom directed footballs be set at pressures below the allowable limits. In fact, the evidence shows Tom clearly emphasized that footballs be set at pressures within the rules. Tom also cooperated with the investigation and answered every question presented to him. The Wells Report presents significant evidence, however, that the NFL lacks standards or protocols with respect to its handling of footballs prior to games; this is not the fault of Tom or the Patriots. The report also presents significant evidence the NFL participated with the Colts in some type of pre-AFC Championship Game planning regarding the footballs. This fact may raise serious questions about the integrity of the games we view on Sundays. We will appeal, and if the hearing officer is completely independent and neutral, I am very confident the Wells Report will be exposed as an incredibly frail exercise in fact-finding and logic. The NFL has a well-documented history of making poor disciplinary decisions that often are overturned when truly independent and neutral judges or arbitrators preside, and a former federal judge has found the commissioner has abused his discretion in the past, so this outcome does not surprise me. Sadly, today’s decision diminishes the NFL as it tells its fans, players and coaches that the games on the field don’t count as much as the games played on Park Avenue.”
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sm5jn2
"The discipline is ridiculous and has no legitimate basis. In my opinion, this outcome was pre-determined; there was no fairness in the Wells investigation whatsoever. There is no evidence that Tom directed footballs be set at pressures below the allowable limits. In fact, the evidence shows Tom clearly emphasized that footballs be set at pressures within the rules. Tom also cooperated with the investigation and answered every question presented to him. The Wells Report presents significant evidence, however, that the NFL lacks standards or protocols with respect to its handling of footballs prior to games; this is not the fault of Tom or the Patriots. The report also presents significant evidence the NFL participated with the Colts in some type of pre-AFC Championship Game planning regarding the footballs. This fact may raise serious questions about the integrity of the games we view on Sundays. We will appeal, and if the hearing officer is completely independent and neutral, I am very confident the Wells Report will be exposed as an incredibly frail exercise in fact-finding and logic. The NFL has a well-documented history of making poor disciplinary decisions that often are overturned when truly independent and neutral judges or arbitrators preside, and a former federal judge has found the commissioner has abused his discretion in the past, so this outcome does not surprise me. Sadly, today’s decision diminishes the NFL as it tells its fans, players and coaches that the games on the field don’t count as much as the games played on Park Avenue.”
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sm5jn2
Ok, let me get this straight...
According to the bylaws of the NFL, the standard penalty for using a non-standard ball is $25,000.
Panthers and Vikings caught on tape (i.e. with proof) heating footballs in a cold game. They get a notice from the NFL to stop doing that. No investigation, no penalty.
Patriots are found with under-inflated balls that could be caused temperature, but without any actual proof of tampering. They get a 3-month investigation that was more probable than not slanted in favor of the NFL, and are penalized $1,000,000, 2 draft picks, and a 4-game suspension for their QB.
Yep. Totally reasonable punishment. Justice is served. :barf:
According to the bylaws of the NFL, the standard penalty for using a non-standard ball is $25,000.
Panthers and Vikings caught on tape (i.e. with proof) heating footballs in a cold game. They get a notice from the NFL to stop doing that. No investigation, no penalty.
Patriots are found with under-inflated balls that could be caused temperature, but without any actual proof of tampering. They get a 3-month investigation that was more probable than not slanted in favor of the NFL, and are penalized $1,000,000, 2 draft picks, and a 4-game suspension for their QB.
Yep. Totally reasonable punishment. Justice is served. :barf:
Kraft's appeal options are limited. I think all he could do would be to go to Goodell and ask for reconsideration. I don't see him pressing the instant red button over this. But Goodell lost an ally, and don't be surprised if Kraft votes for Goodell's removal at some point in the distant future.H78 said:
Whatever really happened, I think he and BB know the truth of things better than Goodell. Doubt Brady would dissemble with them.
