Go easy on Seanberry guys. He's a jets fan. Posting in this thread is the closest he'll ever get to a Superbowl champion.
#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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nattysez said:
soxhop411 said:
All of this is good for the NFL, not bad. They will not lose ratings. They will not lose money. They will make more money. All of this shit -- from rules controversies over catches to Rachel Nichols berating Goodell in press conferences -- is not hurting the league. It's helping. That's what it's become. They have managed to keep themselves in the press during the NBA and NFL playoffs, even though the draft is over and the Super Bowl was 3 months ago. MIght NBC be upset if a big player is not available for a particular game?Maybe. In the big picture, they know that every one of these "controversies" adds eyeballs in the long run. There is a substantial WWE or TMZ component to the NFL, and that just is what it is, and it ain't going to change any time soon.
If concussions don't make us stop watching and playing fantasy football or gambling, if replacement refs don't make us stop watching and playing fantasy football and gambling, if domestic violence doesn't make us stop watching and playing fantasy football, then suspending Tom Brady isn't going to make us stop.
Might there be a few Pats fans who decide, "that's it, I'm done"? Maybe. Drop in the bucket. But these will also be the ones who care so deeply for the team in the first place that they'll be back.
nighthob said:
Re-sign Spikes and secretly offer him a bounty for every Colt he disables next year.
The league may be anticipating an appeal and eventual reduction of games, so the initial number might be intentionally high. Goodell may only want 1-2 games, but knows he may have to start at 4-6 games to get there.
I haven't had a chance to read the report, but did it ever touch on that league "official" who got canned for nabbing game balls, selling them off, and once caught in the act, handed the wrong ball to the Pats attendant who then provided it to the referee which caused all that sideline confusion? I'm almost positive Schefter reported out that the incident would be a part of the Wells report, but I haven't heard it touched on.
If Wells didn't include that bit, wouldn't it be more probable than not that the league was directing Wells to cover up a bunch of their own ineptness in all of this mess?
If Wells didn't include that bit, wouldn't it be more probable than not that the league was directing Wells to cover up a bunch of their own ineptness in all of this mess?
Having Seanberry on ignore is highly advisable. He is a first class Pats troll that pops out of his hole for these types of situations. Please stop feeding him and there is a chance he goes away.
Man, I'd completely forgotten about 1918. Well, it was probably in 5th level storage hierarchy.
So, as we get past 48 hours from the report being released, and still no word from the league on any potential discipline, one frequently brought up part of the narrative I have to disagree with. That Goodell is in a very tight, damned if he does, damned if he doesn't position. Actually, I don't really think any decision he makes would cost him his job, or the huge income that comes with it. If this past year, and his complete butchery of the domestic violence cases has proven anything, it's that all the owners(Kraft Included) really care about is the money machine relentlessly chugging along towards that 20-25 billion revenue goal. As long as that is happening, they are not going to upset the apple cart by changing leadership in the league office.
Any kind of strong, confident leader would take that security as an opportunity to make very reasonable, fair decisions, the hot-sportz take hordes be damned. But he is so vain, so weak, so egotistical, and so insecure, he simply cannot do that. Consequently, he goes from one bad call to another, making mountains of mole-hills, and vice-versa. That's really the crux of what makes him so compatibly bad at this part of the job.
Any kind of strong, confident leader would take that security as an opportunity to make very reasonable, fair decisions, the hot-sportz take hordes be damned. But he is so vain, so weak, so egotistical, and so insecure, he simply cannot do that. Consequently, he goes from one bad call to another, making mountains of mole-hills, and vice-versa. That's really the crux of what makes him so compatibly bad at this part of the job.
Matt Chatham @chatham58 4m4 minutes ago
I'm hearing next week for a #DeflateGate ruling as well. Daddy gets a weekend!
The NFL everyone!
I'm hearing next week for a #DeflateGate ruling as well. Daddy gets a weekend!
The NFL everyone!
Can't wait for JG to play 8 games, torch the league and go 6-2, then get traded to some schmuck organization for a first round pick and watch him turn back into a pumpkin.
Even when the Pats lose, they win.
Even when the Pats lose, they win.
There was already an attempted palace coup a couple of years back. About 300+ pages ago one of the prevailing theories was that the leaking was being done to permanently drive a wedge between The Ginger Knish and one of the league's more powerful owners, so that said owner wouldn't intervene on his behalf the next time a coup was attempted. Mission Accomplished. Now the question is whether or not Kraft joins the rebels outright or just sits on the sidelines smiling the next time owners try to oust Goodell.cornwalls@6 said:
Hey, do you guys remember that time the Patriots won the Super Bowl? That was pretty neat.
https://youtu.be/U7rPIg7ZNQ8
Although, on closer inspection that football *did* look about 8% under-inflated to me.
Edit: turns out I have no idea how to embed a Youtube video.
https://youtu.be/U7rPIg7ZNQ8
Although, on closer inspection that football *did* look about 8% under-inflated to me.
Edit: turns out I have no idea how to embed a Youtube video.
Pontius Goodell should just publicly wash his hands at 345 park Avenue and ask the crowd to decide on the punishment. I'm sure the NFL could get the major networks and the industry leader to get into a bidding war for the rights. There is a long stretch in the calender bewteen now and the beginning of training camps.
ALiveH said:
This is a great point. The refs didn't have the time to measure more than 15 balls during halftime, which lasts however long it lasts, and yet McNally had time to deflate 12 in < 90 seconds? Ok.
They should just make it in to a talkshow, like Jerry Springer. In fact, they should just bring Jerry in himself, bring in fans of various teams, let them stand up and scream and curse at Brady while Brady screams "YOU DON'T KNOW ME!" back, etc. That's basically what the league has become under Goodell, intentionally or not.
DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
I don't know about other Pats fans but I'm basically just watching because of Brady and Belichick at this point. After all this petty bullshit I'm probably done with the NFL after they both retire.
tims4wins said:
100 or so days ago the NY Post (or maybe Daily News) had a video with a guy trying to accomplish this and he got all 12 balls done in time. If you're going with that angle, you better be sure it is actually impossible to accomplish it.
Similar to cargo seals, why doesn't the league just put a small serialized sticker or something small and innocuous after the approval process to provide clear evidence of tampering?
I wasn't suggesting they should feel entitled to be able to break rules and get away with it. I was wondering how the Pats truly feel about folks like Grigson (and possibly Harbaugh) blowing the whistle and what their true motivations were. The Pats could chalk up Spygate to a division rival simply doing some gamesmanship and the media getting carried away making it a bigger story. Now that their reputation has already been damaged by that aftermath, a conference rival ended up subjecting their team and their Franchise QB to another exhausting controversy over a rule the league never enforces, and in fact officials often times improperly apply (as evidenced by the footballs in the Jets game).
Read Grigson's email from the report. He says it is common knowledge around the league the Pats like to tamper with the inflation of their footballs. If it was common knowledge, why didn't Grigson complain to the league prior to their game in November? Usually teams don't blow the whistle unless it is egregious, because they have their own minor skeletons in the closet. The fact is no one cared before and the Colts sat on the knowledge until it was convenient (a la Billy Martin with the George Brett pine tar incident). I doubt they were worried about Brady being able to use lower pressure footballs and therefore having some "unfair advantage". They were hoping to perhaps gain an advantage themselves by forcing him to have to use footballs he is not as comfortable with. Heck I'm still not even sure Brady does want illegal footballs, and perhaps the Colts simply knew the Pats balls tended to be on the lower end, and if by chance Brady was doing something illegal, they catch him, otherwise they still could get in Brady's head by encouraging officials to add air to the footballs. Are the Pats more likely to jump on a chance to damage the Colts or any other team now than they would have before?
Don't you want to see whose wife/gf gets beat next? Or who gets a rape charge? At least tell me you'll check in for the murders.Jettisoned said:
tims4wins said:
You're comparing a guy who's spent 10 years taking a shot of air out of 12 footballs and has to do it quickly to avoid detection, to the refs determining that they should test the footballs, taking the balls somewhere private, carefully measuring, without deflating, 15 balls with a gauge, and writing down the results? Really, who's being ridiculous? Edit -- And as mentioned above people have ACTUALLY DONE THIS successfully.
86spike said:
If this was true, Tom would've been singing it from the rooftops. Even Yee's answers on these points are full of lawyerspeak. If he is 100% clean, my advice to Brady would be to drive to Bristol, get on the air, and explain that he is being railroaded over 100% false claims and that he has never been so angry about anything in his entire life other than Bridget pulling the goalie on him.
But he's guilty, so lawyer up, shut up, and prepare yourself for the appeals process.
https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/everybody-messed-with-the-ball-a-former-nfl-star-speaks-out-on-deflategate/?utm_vicesportstwitter
Now, it's hard to deny that Brady—or at least his underlings—did cheat, and so it's worth checking in with a fellow signal caller who isn't moved to tears by the idea but rather finds it all pretty silly. As a quarterback, the football was the tool of Blake's trade, and he was going to get it how he liked it, without a second thought.
"If they were too hard, I was like, 'Hey man, this one's a little hard. Just take a little air out of it,'" Blake said. And so the equipment manager would "put the pin in it, take a little air out of it, and that's it. And I'd squeeze it, I'm like 'Okay, yeah, that's good,' and then we'd keep movin'. It was just that simple. It was nothing that was did under the table or did sneakily. That's just what we did. Everybody did. I played on six different teams. It was the same everywhere."
Now, it's hard to deny that Brady—or at least his underlings—did cheat, and so it's worth checking in with a fellow signal caller who isn't moved to tears by the idea but rather finds it all pretty silly. As a quarterback, the football was the tool of Blake's trade, and he was going to get it how he liked it, without a second thought.
"If they were too hard, I was like, 'Hey man, this one's a little hard. Just take a little air out of it,'" Blake said. And so the equipment manager would "put the pin in it, take a little air out of it, and that's it. And I'd squeeze it, I'm like 'Okay, yeah, that's good,' and then we'd keep movin'. It was just that simple. It was nothing that was did under the table or did sneakily. That's just what we did. Everybody did. I played on six different teams. It was the same everywhere."
BigSoxFan said:
No, I'm referring to this part of that strategy idea:
"yet Wells believes that one person took 12 footballs out of a duffel bag, deflated all 12 and put them back in the duffle bag all in 100 seconds in a bathroom stall"
Given that Brady liked the balls inflated to 12.5 psi and that most games are played in temperatures below 72 degrees it's likely that many of the Patriot's ball acquired by an opposing team via turnover would probably test below 12.5 psi. You can look at the resumes of the leagues GMs. Not many Mensa candidates in that bunch. I'm relatively certain they were not aware of the Gas Law and assumed that the Patriots were under inflating the balls. In addition, the thought would never have come to them to test their own balls as a control.redsahx said:
Then Tim Hasselbeck will go on Mike and Mike saying he never in all his years ever heard of a player telling equipment managers to alter footballs.jimbobim said:
Are you referring to the texts being on AT&T or Verizon servers? How does that help Wells' investigation?nighthob said:
86spike said:
The Report contains nothing on Tom asking for balls to be below the limit, he has denied doing that and I have no reason to believe that he would back away from that.
So perhaps the better approach is to say the Report did not allege that Brady asked for deflation below 12.5 and reiterate that he did not in fact do so.
Bob Ley @BobLeyESPN 48s48 seconds ago
Brady in the same breath as A-Rod? @TMooreSports, @darrenrovell, @EdgeofSports, and @TheJuanWilliams discuss legacy. http://bit.ly/1dSXJSE
yes, lets compare Brady to A-rod... Makes PERFECT sense
yes lets comep
Brady in the same breath as A-Rod? @TMooreSports, @darrenrovell, @EdgeofSports, and @TheJuanWilliams discuss legacy. http://bit.ly/1dSXJSE
yes, lets compare Brady to A-rod... Makes PERFECT sense
yes lets comep
I'm pretty sure most of the sports media covering football has brain damage (or are very very stupid). That's the only explanation.
djbayko said:
Yeah there's a 0% chance that a wireless carrier would hand that information over to the NFL.
Is why they signed Devin Gardner? Once he gets suspended, they can have Brady slip on Gardner's jersey and just tell people "The kid from Michigan is playing QB today". Bill is always, always one step ahead.
We got #hotsportztakes coming up on Outside The Lines. Don't forget to tune in. Our advertisers would appreciate it.soxhop411 said:
I'll disagree slightly with the others. Yes, it's frustrating to have people constantly badger you about the Patriots, especially with misinformation. However, it's more than that to me. As a fan, it does matter to me that they are respected as the great team that they are. You don't have to love them (you're not supposed to) but you should recognize their accomplishments, just as I recognize the great Bulls, Cowboys and (gulp) Yankees, Lakers teams.Return of the Dewey said:
This isn't intended as an insult to you, but as a Jets fan you don't have to really even consider this. You'd just be happy with a championship, and would be greatful if your team cheated to reach that goal. The Patriots have reached that goal several times, and they've done so with great players, coaches, and ownership.
There is a reason why the first Giants Super Bowl was so devastating to Pats fans. It wasn't just a championship. It was immortality. If we fans didn't care what others thought about our team at all, then it would have just been another trophy.
natpastime162 said:
Because the NFL never gave a hoot about this, to the point of playing games for decades with balls in a range of something like 10-16 PSI, depending on officiating crews and game conditions.