#DFG: Canceling the Noise

Is there any level of suspension that you would advise Tom to accept?


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DJnVa

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GregHarris said:
that Brady said something like, “isn‟t he in there to make sure the balls are staying where they should be?”
 
So, Brady said what? That he's (McNally) there to make sure the balls are staying where they should be?
 
That doesn't sound like someone complicit in breaking some rule.
 
EDIT: Granted, it seems like Brady played dumb when Wells asked if he knew who McNally was, but still.
 

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Except that they still won the Super Bowl with all the hyper-vigilance and if they go out and do what they usually do next season, what are people going to say?
 
 
They went 16-0 the year *after* they supposedly stole everyone's signs and no one cared. The narrative remains.
 

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soxhop411 said:
@AndrewSiciliano: "It was the first time in Anderson‟s nineteen years as an NFL official that he could not locate the game balls at the start of a game."
 
You don't really need to retweet quotes from the report, you know.  You can just quote the report.
 

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/06/finally-the-halftime-psi-numbers-are-known/
 
 
Moreover, and as suggested by the measurements made by Prioleau and Blakeman, the mere act of confirming that the balls were inflated to 12.5 PSI may have dropped them below the minimum.
The problem for the Patriots is that enough other evidence pointed to a violation to allow Ted Wells to conclude that the preponderance of the evidence suggests to deliberate manipulation.  Regardless, the raw numbers aren’t nearly as bad as they were originally portrayed to be.
In the interests of fairness to everyone, that fact can’t be disregarded.
Florio taking a moderate tone.
 

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KenTremendous said:
 
They went 16-0 the year *after* they supposedly stole everyone's signs and no one cared. The narrative remains.
They only did that because they were under inflating the balls, did you not just read the report!!!
 

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soxhop411 said:
@AndrewSiciliano: "It was the first time in Anderson‟s nineteen years as an NFL official that he could not locate the game balls at the start of a game."
 
Right. Again, which is weird, considering that he's probably done, what, 15-20 games there? And all the other refs there said it was the first time they had seen something like it, and they all come from different crews on different schedules.
 

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From Goodell's January presser:

“On the issue of footballs used in the AFC Championship Game, Ted Wells and our staff have been hard at work conducting a thorough and objective investigation. As you would expect, we take seriously anything that potentially impacts the integrity of the game. We are focusing principally on two questions: why were some footballs used in the game that were not in compliance with the rules, and was this the result of deliberate action? I want to emphasize we have made no judgements on these points, and we will not compromise the investigation by engaging in speculation. When Ted Wells has completed his investigation and made his determination based on all relevant evidence, we will share his report publicly."
 

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http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/wilbur/2015/05/from_champion_to_cheater_wells_report_doesnt_shine.html
 

That’s more than probably going to include Brady, whose image may have finally taken a hit after a sparkling clean resume 15 years into his NFL career. And this isn’t solely about him and bumbling bozos deflating a ball. It’s about Brady being defiant in his denials, pleading his innocence to the point where his team owner is still issuing statements of incredulous defense. It’s about making head coach Bill Belichick launch into a Mona Lisa Vito monologue even as Brady tried to maintain his squeaky-clean image with the likely knowledge of exactly what occurred.
 
That image is gone, and it’s not because he deflated a few footballs. It’s gone because he lied about it.
 
Tom Brady duped us all.
 
Probably.
 
Oh for god's sake fuck you Eric Wilbur. 
 

@cpriceNFL It Is What It Is >> Tom Brady Sr. angrily fires back at critics of his son: ‘It’s disgusting’ itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengl… via @WEEI
 
 

Must be enough to pop a few veins if you're Brady's dad. Disgusted indeed.
 

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RedOctober3829 said:
 
The headline from the NYDN article about it claiming it to be a bombshell:
 
DeflateGate report finds Tom Brady probably 'generally aware' Patriots balls were being deflated
 
 
I love this.
 
Not definitely "generally aware"
 
or
 
Probably aware
 
but
 
Probably generally aware. Two wiggle words in the span of 3 words.
 
 

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Um...when did "generally aware" that there was "probably" some deflating going on turn into "knowledge of exactly what occurred"?
 
EDIT: re: Wilbur.
 

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@ShannonSharpe: Brady must be suspended for minimum of 2-4 gms, Belichick gets 1 yr and tm loses 1st rd draft pick 2016-17. Tm gets fined the max.
 

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LuckyBen said:
What would he be hiding though? Are there hidden messages to the ball boys that wouldn't show up on either of their phones? Would Tom text friends in reference to deflating balls? No, most likely wells had everything they could find from the other phones and chose to paint Tom in bad light.
 
I dont know. But if I'm investigating something, and I (reasonably) think that you might have texts that might relate to the thing I'm investigating and I say you can have your lawyer screen them first, and you dont turn them over, then, yes, I am going to draw a negative conclusion. Its not like they asked to search his bedroom. They already know he has communicated via text.
 
It's only negative enough to add to the small pile that leads to the petty-crime of "generally aware," but it is negative.
 

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i'm more disappointed in that the game balls that get awarded post game aren't game balls at all.
 

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If you look around and Eric Wilbur and Shannon Sharpe are on your side in an argument....well....I know Id personally need to rethink my position,.
 

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ESPN is promoting the Well’s Report--and NFL--line full throttle
 
“Bill Polian certainly has an opinion.  We’ll hear from him after this [message from our sponsor]…."

Yeah, that won’t be biased…much.
 

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soxhop411 said:
Oy

@ShannonSharpe: Brady must be suspended for minimum of 2-4 gms, Belichick gets 1 yr and tm loses 1st rd draft pick 2016-17. Tm gets fined the max.
 
This would be the perfect time to sit down with Sharpe and ask "why do you think that?" Because his answer will deviate by light years from whats in the actual report.
 

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I am still not sure why Tom Brady is even in the cross hairs on this.  
 
Is it his job to measure or inflate the balls?  WTF?  
 

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It's in ESPN's best interests to blow this story up as much a possible (and all other media, for that matter), which means "the Pats cheated" narrative rules the day.  Disregard.
 

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Initially I'd assumed a suspension wasn't likely, assuming Goodell would levy fines but stop short of anything more. But then I saw some commentary that reminded me of punishments the NFL has levied in the past on considerably shakier evidence, e.g. Ben Roethlisburger was suspended purely based on an investigation, the Falcons were docked draft picks because of a stupid decision made solely by somebody on their marketing team, Emmanuel Sanders was fined for "faking injuries" on nothing more than a hunch, etc. Players have definitely been punished, including with suspensions, based on far less evidence than exists in this case...
 
I dunno, I'd still be kinda surprised if Brady gets suspended, but it doesn't seem impossible
 

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Christ, ESPN isn't news!  It's purely interested in ratings.   Nobody gives a shit about ESPN anymore except people who decide to give a shit what ESPN says because it confirms their biases.
 

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@ShannonSharpe: The Pats punishment must be severe because spygate taught them absolutely nothing about adhering to the rules.
 

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There is no Rev said:
 
Again, this only matters if they are arguing this was a one-off situation, which doesn't scan with the rest of the report.

IMO, for that reason, the emphasis on that point weakens the support for the conclusions.
 
Ok, so I just found it addressed somewhat in a footnote"
 

Whether McNally frequently, infrequently or never leaves the Officials Locker Room before the game officials
depart for the field is not determinative of whether there has been an opportunity to tamper with game balls
during the regular season. The game officials we interviewed—when considering the potential for tampering
with the game balls—almost uniformly expressed greater concern that a locker room attendant generally has up
to fifteen or twenty minutes alone with the game balls when the game officials are on the field for the pre-game
walk-through approximately fifty minutes before kickoff (and after the balls have been inspected). The physical
configuration of the Officials Locker Room at Gillette Stadium, with a back dressing area separated by a door
from a sitting room area, would provide complete privacy during this time period. Indeed, even the sitting area
is generally quiet at that time during the regular season, unlike the busy scene during a playoff game. Milton
Britton, the regular season k-ball coordinator for the Patriots, reported that he regularly watches ESPN in the
sitting room area while everyone else is on the field and stated that “nine out of ten times” the sitting room is
otherwise empty, apart from McNally. On the night of the AFC Championship Game, however, the Officials
Locker Room was crowded and McNally is unlikely to have had an opportunity to tamper with the balls in the
locker room without being detected.
 
That's footnote 34.
 

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I know it's been said before, but this still fucking kills me:
 


Rule 2 of the Official Playing Rules of the NFL requires that footballs used during NFL games must be inflated to between 12.5 and 13.5 psi. In particular, the rule states that “[t]he ball shall be made up of an inflated (12½ to 13½ pounds) urethane bladder enclosed in a pebble grained, leather case (natural tan color) without corrugations of any kind.”
 
Yet on multiple occasions, Jastremski found the referee's had inflated game balls to 16 psi, which actually grants a QB an advantage on throwing a ball further (opposed to deflating a ball, which has been shown to provide no benefit).
 
Essentially, nobody - including the league and the officials in it - gives a shit about football inflation. 
 
Until the Patriots are involved.
 

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NatetheGreat said:
Initially I'd assumed a suspension wasn't likely, assuming Goodell would levy fines but stop short of anything more. But then I saw some commentary that reminded me of punishments the NFL has levied in the past on considerably shakier evidence, e.g. Ben Roethlisburger was suspended purely based on an investigation, the Falcons were docked draft picks because of a stupid decision made solely by somebody on their marketing team, Emmanuel Sanders was fined for "faking injuries" on nothing more than a hunch, etc. Players have definitely been punished, including with suspensions, based on far less evidence than exists in this case...
 
I dunno, I'd still be kinda surprised if Brady gets suspended, but it doesn't seem impossible
Big Ben was being investigated for rape. But yeah, deflation of balls is far worse.
 

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The irony of Sharpe's statement is that this is exactly as material, from a competitiveness standpoint, as Spygate was.  
 
And it's not what he thinks it is.
 

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Ed Hillel said:
I think the strangest part of this report to me, so far, is that the officials seem adamant that this is the only time they ever recall something like this happening at Gillette Stadium. Yet the email from the Colts' ballboy is that it was widely known the Pats do this on a weekly basis. Maybe it's just not something the refs cared enough to notice before? Just seems strange that it would be a one-off on the one week where the Colts happened to email them about it.
Read the full report. It implies that the reason the balls went missing, taken to the bathroom, is because they couldn't tamper with the balls in the locker room. They discuss how much time the balls are in the room without the officials on a normal day, and this was an exception. The implication is clearly that the only reason the footballs were brought to the toilet is because on this day there wasn't an opportunity to mess with them otherwise.

Not saying it's true. Just saying you cannot go off of tweets alone.

EDIT: Never mind. You found the footnote.
 

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We really need two polls for Brady's punishment:
 
(a) How will Goodell try to punish him
(b) What the final punishment will be after the NFLPA appeals
 
 
I voted "fine" above, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Goddell announce a suspension next week, only to have it overturned on appeal.  Which for Goodell is a win-win scenario -- he gets to look super tough on the naughty cheaters, but Brady still gets to play opening day.
 

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soxhop411 said:
@ShannonSharpe: The Pats punishment must be severe because spygate taught them absolutely nothing about adhering to the rules.
 
This is the same guy who was on the Broncos teams that were punished 3 times for violations between 1996 and 1998 (the 2 Superbowl years), twice for cap violations and once for their linemen coating themselves with vasoline.
 

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TheoShmeo said:
Whether Tom's refusal implied guilt or not, it made Wells' task more difficult.
 
Expecting him to qualify that bit of commentary -- which is in line with Wells' view that Tom was likely complicit -- is a bit much. 
 
I'm not a lawyer and I don't know how these sorts of documents are generally written. My experience comes from the basic science and medical literature, where the results/findings are presented in an entirely separate section from the interpretation. To me, that paragraph blended the two together, which makes me uncomfortable if the investigation is intended to be truly objective.
 
I'm certainly not suggesting that the law firm is intentionally biased or compromised or anything like that. 
 

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Yaz' cell is blowing up as he puffs on a Marlboro red, and he has no clue why.
 

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PayrodsFirstClutchHit said:
Back into the media blackout hole we go...
 
Hello Netflix my old friend.  
 
Seriously.  What a pain in the ass.  
 

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LuckyBen said:
Big Ben was being investigated for rape. But yeah, deflation of balls is far worse.
 
It isn't about the severity of the crime, it's about the amount of evidence. The NFL has shown repeatedly that if public opinion is arrayed against a player they won't hesitate to penalize him, regardless of how definitive the evidence of wrongdoing may be 
 

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NatetheGreat said:
 
It isn't about the severity of the crime, it's about the amount of evidence press coverage it's gotten and which way the wind is blowing. The NFL has shown repeatedly that if public opinion is arrayed against a player they won't hesitate to penalize him, regardless of how definitive the evidence of wrongdoing may be 
 

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amlothi said:
Read the full report. It implies that the reason the balls went missing, taken to the bathroom, is because they couldn't tamper with the balls in the locker room. They discuss how much time the balls are in the room without the officials on a normal day, and this was an exception. The implication is clearly that the only reason the footballs were brought to the toilet is because on this day there wasn't an opportunity to mess with them otherwise.

Not saying it's true. Just saying you cannot go off of tweets alone.
 
I'm not relying on tweets, I am reading the report. The part you mentioned is in a footnote I just found. I haven't seen much other than that.
 

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joe dokes said:
 
I dont know....the texts from Brady that elicited the responses could be relevant.
 
 
Wouldn't those texts be on the recipient's phone?
 
 

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Ed Hillel said:
 
Ok, so I just found it addressed somewhat in a footnote"
 
 
 
That's footnote 34.
The assumption of wrong doing is amazing in this report.
We don't even know if the balls were ever deflated, but this guy was alone in a room every regular season game. So  he had plenty of time to do it each game. Not that we have proof that he ever did it but, we are pretty sure that is what he was doing.
 

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So, the Ref's over-inflate Brady's balls all season - which Jastermski mentions in multiple texts - McNally assumes the balls will be overinflated again and draws some air out of them on the way to the field.
 
Brady is Satan.
 
Sound about right?
 

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So, the blueprint is:

1. Find a way every team is stretching the rules

2. Call out the Patriots

3. Create controversy

4. Act like all we hold dear in this world has been lost

5. Demand punishment

6. Repeat
 

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nolasoxfan said:
Bill Polian now that everybody knows what happened."
 
Really, do we?
He is the most dangerous son-of-a-bitch on the planet for us right now, IMO. I don't care if he has it in for us or that he works for ESPN. He will drive public opinion on this, and that's largely what the penalty phase will be about.
 

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I agree that the Brady punishment question should have 2 parts.  I would not be surprised if Goodell attempts to suspend Brady.  The NFLPA will fight hard on that one, and I'm going to guess any suspension will be reduced to a fine.  
 
Pats will get fined a token amount and docked a mid-to-late round pick, as team employees were involved.  
 
I see no circumstance where McNally and Jastremski are employed by the Pats by the end of the week.  
 
Belichick will not get fined or suspended.  He will call Brady a "schmuck". 
 

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And Mike Freeman. Literally within a line break a "more probable than not" becomes "Tom Brad lied". 
 
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2455880-tom-bradys-legacy-forever-scarred-by-damning-wells-report?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=web-mob-art-mid-16
 

Tom Brady lied.
 
That's the "more probable than not" conclusion reached by super sleuth Ted Wells, whose comprehensive, legitimate and weighty report (Warning: Content contains NSFW language) was released Wednesday.
 

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If my wife was the world's most famous super model and she had sent me hot selfies over the season I wouldn't hand my phone over to anyone unless facing jail time either. Can you imagine the the shitstorm when somehow Gisselle's private pics leaked? You think they could really protect personal stuff from those sifting and could trust someone hired by lawyers to sift not to try to make a giant payday?