I think I speak for all of us when I say...FUCK. YOU. PETER.Van Everyman said:@SI_PeterKing: How great was that by Kraft?
Harry Hooper said:I will have to see the transcript, but I believe Kraft upped the ante and said that if the investigate can't prove something, then he wants an apology. He's doesn't want the NFL to wriggle away with an "inconclusive" finding and widespread grumbling.
Dude. Step away from the computer for a bit.djbayko said:
This is getting ridiculous.
- How the hell do they know what the temperature was when they inflated the balls?
- Even a thermostat-controlled room fluctuates by a few degrees over time.
- It doesn't even matter, if the refs performed their job and measured and inflated the balls...presumably in a room that was also at room temperature.
Harry Hooper said:I will have to see the transcript, but I believe Kraft upped the ante and said that if the investigate can't prove something, then he wants an apology. He's doesn't want the NFL to wriggle away with an "inconclusive" finding and widespread grumbling.
djbayko said:
This is getting ridiculous.
- How the hell do they know what the temperature was when they inflated the balls?
- Even a thermostat-controlled room fluctuates by a few degrees over time.
- It doesn't even matter, if the refs performed their job and measured and inflated the balls...presumably in a room that was also at room temperature.
Afraid they'd get their ass kicked some more.Harry Hooper said:I was watching on CSNNE, so can someone give me a rational explanation for the NFL cutting away midway through the press conference?
Red(s)HawksFan said:Think your satire meter is broken.
Joe D Reid said:Now that one of Peter's bosses has said it, it must be true. Jesus.
drleather2001 said:Afraid they'd get their ass kicked some more.
Sounded like a man with a very good idea of what they have, and where the leaks are coming from.Harry Hooper said:I will have to see the transcript, but I believe Kraft upped the ante and said that if the investigate can't prove something, then he wants an apology. He's doesn't want the NFL to wriggle away with an "inconclusive" finding and widespread grumbling.
Roger is going to be the answer to a trivia question a decade from now.Have a feeling that Roger Goddell is in danger of turning Kraft into a modern day Al Davis and facing a thorn in his side for the next decade.
The problem of scenario 1 is that the league can be sued by injured parties (which are not limited to NEP).Kull said:Based on everything we've heard so far, the NFL has been looking desperately for something for over a week now. And they have nothing that proves tampering occurred. So the NFL has only two ways out:
1) "Prove you are innocent": They will painstakingly document the journey of the balls from the moment they left the locker room until they returned at the half. Any time periods in which cameras are not showing the balls, will be added together and summed up to arrive at some ridiculously large amount of "unmonitored time" in which "tampering could have occurred" They will state that measurements show the pressure did decrease between the first and second measurements and they will find the Pats liable, because it's their responsibility to ensure the balls are not tampered with and there's no "logical explanation". They will ignore ALL science. Thinking people everywhere will be appalled at this gross lack of fairness and due process, but 90% of the nation will explode in an orgasm of delight. Some combination of Fines, Draft pick losses, & Suspensions will be imposed. Veiled threats will be made to the Patriots that you accept this result, or worse will follow.
2) "We can't prove anything and there are Laws of Physics reasons that could explain the change": In this case the NFL will come up with every piece of evidence they can find to keep the mouthbreathers at bay. Science will be a huge part of the explanation, and it will be documented in excruciating detail. 90% of the viewing public will refuse to believe it course, but that gets the Pats off the hook.
I always held a firm belief that scenario number 2 was the only logical outcome, but the constant drip of incriminating-sounding details (and ONLY those details) suggests that certain elements in the league offices want to poison the well and make it impossible for the NFL to find the Pats innocent. It is not inconceivable that Goodell will be so afraid of the firestorm arising from a "not guilty" ruling that he'll opt for #1 simply because he feels that's safer for him personally.
But now that Kraft, one of the most influential owners and Goodell supporters, has laid down the law, Goodell and the NFL seem to have a much finer like to walk. Eg, option 1 will result in a full fledged response.Kull said:Based on everything we've heard so far, the NFL has been looking desperately for something for over a week now. And they have nothing that proves tampering occurred. So the NFL has only two ways out:
1) "Prove you are innocent": They will painstakingly document the journey of the balls from the moment they left the locker room until they returned at the half. Any time periods in which cameras are not showing the balls, will be added together and summed up to arrive at some ridiculously large amount of "unmonitored time" in which "tampering could have occurred" They will state that measurements show the pressure did decrease between the first and second measurements and they will find the Pats liable, because it's their responsibility to ensure the balls are not tampered with and there's no "logical explanation". They will ignore ALL science. Thinking people everywhere will be appalled at this gross lack of fairness and due process, but 90% of the nation will explode in an orgasm of delight. Some combination of Fines, Draft pick losses, & Suspensions will be imposed. Veiled threats will be made to the Patriots that you accept this result, or worse will follow.
2) "We can't prove anything and there are Laws of Physics reasons that could explain the change": In this case the NFL will come up with every piece of evidence they can find to keep the mouthbreathers at bay. Science will be a huge part of the explanation, and it will be documented in excruciating detail. 90% of the viewing public will refuse to believe it course, but that gets the Pats off the hook.
I always held a firm belief that scenario number 2 was the only logical outcome, but the constant drip of incriminating-sounding details (and ONLY those details) suggests that certain elements in the league offices want to poison the well and make it impossible for the NFL to find the Pats innocent. It is not inconceivable that Goodell will be so afraid of the firestorm arising from a "not guilty" ruling that he'll opt for #1 simply because he feels that's safer for him personally.
Harry Hooper said:I was watching on CSNNE, so can someone give me a rational explanation for the NFLN cutting away midway through the press conference?
If that comes to pass (Kraft as a thorn), Goodell isn't going to have another decade in the job. He'll be lucky to last a year under such conditions.Hoya81 said:Have a feeling that Roger Goddell is in danger of turning Kraft into a modern day Al Davis and facing a thorn in his side for the next decade.
bankshot1 said:Hey SoSH lawyers if Kraft really gets pissed is there a case to make that the NFL conspired with certain other teams to defame the Pats, and if so is that type of conspiracy subject to RICO charges?
Heidi?Harry Hooper said:I was watching on CSNNE, so can someone give me a rational explanation for the NFLN cutting away midway through the press conference?
Wells' statement made it seem like there should be no more leaks from the league office.Marbleheader said:How long before the next leak? Goodell must be getting tired of writing those checks to Jay Glazier
Hoya81 said:Wells' statement made it seem like there should be no more leaks from the league office.
DennyDoyle'sBoil said:I wonder how much Goodell has been involved to this point. Kraft may have been trying to send the message that Rog needs to get control of his house and to stop letting the axe grinders kill the Patriots with paper cuts by dribbling out information.
To be fair, Reiss was in the PC.JimBoSox9 said:If you went to ESPN.com or ESPN Boston right now, you wouldn't know Robert Kraft exists.
McBride11 said:But now that Kraft, one of the most influential owners and Goodell supporters, has laid down the law, Goodell and the NFL seem to have a much finer like to walk. Eg, option 1 will result in a full fledged response.
You think that's going to help him or her?TheShynessClinic said:Dude. Step away from the computer for a bit.
No. The continued leaks are a public statement to Kraft. His response had to be public as well. We're tired of being screwed with message.JimBoSox9 said:
If that was the message that needed to be sent, it could have been done with a phone.
JimBoSox9 said:
If that was the message that needed to be sent, it could have been done with a phone.
ernieshore said:
I was watching and it seemed they realized BB was only going to be answering game-related questions, so there was no need to actually cover that.
Why would I, or anyone, willfully choose to do that?JimBoSox9 said:If you went to ESPN.com or ESPN Boston right now, you wouldn't know Robert Kraft exists.
Well that is absolutely true.Kull said:
I was penning that before Bob's comments, so yeah he apparently was picking up the same vibe and made it crystal clear that unproven guilt won't be accepted. Still not entirely convinced the NFL won't walk through that door anyway. Goodell and his minions suck at absolutely everything.
We've blown through the looking glass at ludicrous speed.GregHarris said:We are approaching 10,000 posts here, folks.