#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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notfar said:
It's been a requirement for intro chem class since at least 2006 (and probably basically forever).
http://www.doe.mass.edu/frameworks/scitech/1006.pdf
[SIZE=13.63636302948px]Chemistry, High School [/SIZE]Learning Standards for a Full First-Year Course
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6.1 Using the kinetic molecular theory, explain the behavior of gases and the relationship between
pressure and volume (Boyle’s law), volume and temperature (Charles’s law), pressure and
temperature (Gay-Lussac’s law), and the number of particles in a gas sample (Avogadro’s
hypothesis). Use the combined gas law to determine changes in pressure, volume, and
temperature.
6.2 Perform calculations using the ideal gas law. Understand the molar volume at 273 K and 1
atmosphere (STP).
Great story on OTL this morning about about the Steelers shady director of security, nicknamed "the cleaner". Also an Allegheny County sheriff lieutenant, conflicts of interest everywhere. Where's the outrage? CNN, Fox News, Peter King don't have front page stories about this, but PSI has hijacked our lives.
Just shows how out of whack some priorities are.
Just shows how out of whack some priorities are.
Thanks for the link.. what a fluff piece... and for a "Science guy" he sure didn't talk about the science of his experiment or BB's. I bet his neighbors on Mercer Island, WA are all applauding. Why didn't he just do an experiment like this below (forgive me if this was already posted):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxsXFX3tDpg&app=desktop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxsXFX3tDpg&app=desktop
Eddie Jurak said:
A ball that's 85F (what it'd need to be to raise the temp 1PSI from a 65F ambient room) isn't really going to feel warm to the touch, certainly not unusually so.
It's not a small effect at all. Have you ever left the gym still wearing a soaked-through t-shirt versus a dry one? If it's cold outside, your body will lose heat much less quickly if wearing a dry t-shirt.SumnerH said:
Always knew Bill Nye was dishonest...an engineer calling himself a scientist for publicity reasons. Now his agenda becomes clear!
/sarcasm...mostly.
Seriously, if he doesn't know PV=nRT then he's dead to me, even w/ all the positive things he's done for science awareness (I wouldn't call him education).
/sarcasm...mostly.
Seriously, if he doesn't know PV=nRT then he's dead to me, even w/ all the positive things he's done for science awareness (I wouldn't call him education).
Wow, that Bill Nye segment on GMA was utterly irresponsible. It's anti-intellectual and anti-science, and he knows that what he said is totally false, but the reporters plainly took him completely seriously. I'm really surprised at him.
Even if he recants, the "Relax, it was a joke" piece is not going to get anywhere near the amount of play the "Bill Nye says Belichick is full of shit" does.
Even if he recants, the "Relax, it was a joke" piece is not going to get anywhere near the amount of play the "Bill Nye says Belichick is full of shit" does.
xjack said:
Yes, but we're not talking about covering the ball with saturated cotton vs. it being bone dry. We're talking about whatever substance you're rubbing on the leather ball for grip/texture having enough of an impact on its permeability that--being wet in either case--it is going to materially effect the temperature of the ball after being outside for 2 hours.
Imagine walking outside in that wet t-shirt after just showering clean compared to walking outside in a wet t-shirt after showering and then putting on some oil or lotion (thin enough that it's not slippery, and toweled off well after applying). How much is the lotion going to affect your temperature, over a 2 hour period?
I sent this to Nye.. I expect nothing but crickets.
Tiger Patrick @TigerPatrick 23s23 seconds ago
@TheScienceGuy Nice spot on GMA about your take on Belichick's press conference on Friday. How about you actually do the experiment on tape
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Tiger Patrick @TigerPatrick 23s23 seconds ago
@TheScienceGuy Nice spot on GMA about your take on Belichick's press conference on Friday. How about you actually do the experiment on tape
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People have actually done experiments and corroborated Belichick's conclusions. But sure, we'll take your word for it.
geoffm33 said:
And here's how "easy" that would be: http://www.theczabe.com/the-post/nimble-hand-0-65-seconds-can/
1.2 seconds of deflation, 11 times in a row, with no mistakes.
In listening to national coverage this morning, even including the contributions of Bob Ryan who I generally have great regard for, there have been numerous references to multiple cases where the Patriots have pushed or violated the rules. I can't think of an occasion other than "Spygate"; unless the recent substitution controversy is coloring the comments. Similarly, how many instances are there where Belichick has made a strong declarative statement that proved to be inaccurate? Very few, if any. You'd think that one of these "journalists" would put together a little history of such misstatements or rule violations, but I guess that's too much to ask.
Nye was clearly trolling as a Seahawks fan. I think it's kind of funny, actually. Plenty of scientists will confirm Belichick's Theorum in the NFL investigation, and many already have anyway. Irresponsible, but funny.
I think it's fitting that this thread now has a global warming debate and discussion of Bill Nye's credentials. If we could somehow end up with a gun or Bush/Obama debate, it could really put a bow on the entire farce this whole story is.
The NFL is such a PR driven nightmare. It's one thing to use PR to drive decision making (which is stupid) but it's unbelievable to make that a focal point and still be bad at it. There were a thousand ways to call this stupid and have this be a 24 hour story. Now this mess has people dug in and the league is completely boxed into either admitting there was no issue or calling bb and tb complete liars. The super bowl isn't the kind of event that needs exposure, so even all news is good news doesn't really apply here
The NFL is such a PR driven nightmare. It's one thing to use PR to drive decision making (which is stupid) but it's unbelievable to make that a focal point and still be bad at it. There were a thousand ways to call this stupid and have this be a 24 hour story. Now this mess has people dug in and the league is completely boxed into either admitting there was no issue or calling bb and tb complete liars. The super bowl isn't the kind of event that needs exposure, so even all news is good news doesn't really apply here
Corsi said:
Oh no doubt about his fanhood. I worded it clumsily, I meant it's pretty clear he was joking with those props up there. And the segment was heavily edited.
Love the "great get" comment from the other anchor. The media thinks they might get a few more hours out of this now.
So Im going to throw out a theory of mutual benefits for various parties that may or may not explain where we are today assuming Mr. Volin is reporting accurately...kartvelo said:
From Behind the paywall some very intriguing nuggets ...
But inside the walls of Gillette Stadium and across the league, Harbaugh is viewed as the one responsible for starting this whole mess — casting a dark cloud above the league’s signature event, staining the reputations of Belichick and Tom Brady, and blowing the lid off another of the league’s dirty secrets about football doctoring.
It’s Harbaugh who supposedly concocted this scheme with good buddy Chuck Pagano, the Colts’ coach who was one of Harbaugh’s top defensive lieutenants for four years in Baltimore, after the Patriots pulled some trickery on the Ravens in the playoffs two weeks ago. Fox Sports’ Jay Glazer reported as much last week, and while there’s no concrete proof of this yet, that’s what the Patriots and many others across the league believe. Glazer also reported that the Ravens suspected something wrong with their kicking balls, although those stay in the officials’ possession from Saturday until literally right at kickoff.
This little tit-for-tat between the Ravens and Patriots escalated quickly. It began with Harbaugh accusing the Patriots of “deception” with their eligible-ineligible tactics in New England’s dramatic 35-31 comeback win in the divisional round Jan. 10.
A few feet down the hall at Gillette Stadium, Brady shot right back.
“Maybe those guys got to study the rule book and figure it out?” Brady said. “We obviously knew what we were doing.”
Harbaugh, supposedly, got his revenge a week later with his buddy Pagano. “Oh, so you want to talk about the rule book? Let’s check those footballs.”
The NFL’s lengthy press release on Friday didn’t mention how it became aware of the underinflated footballs. Colts linebacker D’Qwell Jackson admitted last week that he didn’t notice a thing when he intercepted Brady late in the second quarter. But, as reported first by Newsday, did a Colts equipment manager notice an underinflated ball and set off a chain of events leading to the referees’ discovery of improper footballs? Did the Colts have a pressure gauge at the ready, for just the situation?
After the scandal exploded on the Patriots and brought Belichick and Brady to their knees with lengthy press conferences, Harbaugh then piled on later last week, seemingly taking the moral high ground in an interview with ESPN.
“They’re going to make sure the game is played with integrity, it’s played the right way, it’s fair and there are no unfair advantages for either side in any game,” Harbaugh said. “That’s what sport’s all about.”
And would underinflating footballs be an unfair advantage?
“I think there’s an obvious answer to that: Yes, it would be an unfair advantage.”
You can imagine the Patriots’ reaction — let’s just say it was a word that starts with the letter “P” and rhymes with “missed.” Never mind that the Patriots may have been deliberately skirting the rules (although the NFL has not determined anything at this point). In NFL circles, ratting out the Patriots was the far bigger crime.
And Harbaugh, whose team hasn’t exactly been a beacon of morality and truth since Ray Rice punched his fiancé in February, has the gall to act smugly about the Patriots?
Which leads us to Harbaugh’s quote from Friday. He sounded like a man desperate to get back in the good graces of the Patriots and much of the NFL. After all, in 2008 Belichick went out of his way to help a little-known special teams coach named John Harbaugh, a man he didn’t know well, get his first head coaching job with the Ravens.
“It meant everything,” Harbaugh said earlier this month of getting Belichick’s recommendation. “The fact that he was willing to do that at the time, I was stunned when I heard the story much later. I would describe the relationship as very good. [I have] great admiration for Coach and consider him . . . I’ve never worked with him, specifically, but for whatever reason he has been always willing to kind of take me under his wing in a way and give me time and insight and things like that.”
Now we have Canty with his outrageous and quite lengthy line stepping quote , someone upthread talked about the extensive times Grigson has been walloped by the Patriots , and this account would partially explain the sting operation that appeared in a Florio tweet yesterday I saw posted some 30 pages back.
It also explains how from Kravitz's tweet and Mort's carefully fact selected "sourced" article were just two parts of a potential mutli level plan to get Gooddell to respond irrationally for as long as possible in the likely event the Colts lost as they did. Box checked and ongoing because Gooddell is so incompetent.
Florio's dogged determination and delusion is likely attributable to being the public voice of the anti belichick front office and NFL new york mob demanding the ongoing witch hunt behind the scenes. ABC and ESPN are also partner networks and who knew GMA even had a Sunday show ? Ratings and clicks.
Another interesting angle was how quickly Bristol turned it into Ray Rice 2.0 in terms of covering the shit out of it with the added ingredient of bitter ex foes. There's been some walking back with Sports Science and Wilbon's softening stance as examples but Gooddell's continued silence just allows this thing to stay alive on diminishing returns for everyone involved one would think .
sorry for the extended theory / rant
Someone on twitter posted a pic of him on the field at a Mariner's game in a M's jersey with "The Science Guy" over the number on the back.Corsi said:
He also, at the end of the interview, said "Go Seahawks." But glad there are folks here that are so desperate to get to the bottom of Bill Nye's sports allegiances.P'tucket said:
In other media-related transgressions, remember how the ESPN Sports Science video that showed how this is a big nothing was taken down?
Well it's back up.
This morning, John Brenkus (of ESPN Sports Science) retweeted a question about why the NFL footage restrictions no longer apply to their Pats video. That was his original reason for denying the reports of any editorial shenanigans.
He retweeted the question but didn't provide an answer. Reading between the lines, he must be frustrated too.
https://twitter.com/Sport_Science/with_replies
Well it's back up.
This morning, John Brenkus (of ESPN Sports Science) retweeted a question about why the NFL footage restrictions no longer apply to their Pats video. That was his original reason for denying the reports of any editorial shenanigans.
He retweeted the question but didn't provide an answer. Reading between the lines, he must be frustrated too.
https://twitter.com/Sport_Science/with_replies
This is a public relations battle. Any notion of getting to "The Truth" about what happened went out the window several days ago. But thanks for your concern.Grin&MartyBarret said:
http://www.seahawks.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89713
Yeah he's a die-hard seahawks fan. Disappointed in him that he would purposely mislead people. Can someone send him a textbook or tweet him the carnegie mellon results and ask him to explain why they a wrong?
Yeah he's a die-hard seahawks fan. Disappointed in him that he would purposely mislead people. Can someone send him a textbook or tweet him the carnegie mellon results and ask him to explain why they a wrong?
Ed Hillel said:
I think that's sad though. His whole career has been about science awareness and the relevance of science to all aspects of life, and here he has a golden opportunity to promote science awareness and why even things that might seem abstract like the Ideal Gas Law can matter, and instead he goes for the lowest common denominator.
And from a "PR" perspective, it's stupid to launch a "prove Bill Nye is a Seahawks fan scavenger hunt" when it clearly indicates you didn't watch the video in question.P'tucket said:
Eddie Jurak said:
That's worth testing. The outside will cool first, before the gas inside, but if it takes more than a few minutes to test the balls you'd expect some variation between first-tested and last-tested.
Dan Wetzel @DanWetzel 3m3 minutes ago
No idea if Belichick's theories are correct. Wouldn't guess. But that Bill Nye piece was empty fluff even by morning show standards.
No idea if Belichick's theories are correct. Wouldn't guess. But that Bill Nye piece was empty fluff even by morning show standards.
Bryan Cranston @BryanCranston 46s46 seconds ago
Breaking Bad won a final award last night at Producers Guild. We're happier than Tom Brady feels when he wraps his fingers around soft balls
Breaking Bad won a final award last night at Producers Guild. We're happier than Tom Brady feels when he wraps his fingers around soft balls
So apparently 2 "integrity loving" New York residents have started a petition calling for Ginger to ban BB from the Super Bowl.. its covered in the AZ Republic and has over 4,000 signatures in a few days.. now this is a little funny.
AZ article:
http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/heat-index/2015/01/23/fans-petition-to-suspend-bill-belichick-from-super-bowl/22210963/
"Let's call this what it is: Intentional, planned cheating during one of football's biggest game. "
https://www.change.org/p/roger-goodell-suspend-bill-belichick-from-the-super-bowl?utm_campaign=responsive_friend_inviter_chat&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition&recruiter=1807689
AZ article:
http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/heat-index/2015/01/23/fans-petition-to-suspend-bill-belichick-from-super-bowl/22210963/
"Let's call this what it is: Intentional, planned cheating during one of football's biggest game. "
https://www.change.org/p/roger-goodell-suspend-bill-belichick-from-the-super-bowl?utm_campaign=responsive_friend_inviter_chat&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition&recruiter=1807689
Florio seems determined to cast this as a sting operation, which only makes sense if the refs were told, which seems that they weren't.
A real sting would have seen a league official confiscate the Pats balls before their first offensive drive and take them away to be tested and replace them game with league spec balls. This would avoid the issue that the league knowingly allowed a game to be undermined.
A real sting would have seen a league official confiscate the Pats balls before their first offensive drive and take them away to be tested and replace them game with league spec balls. This would avoid the issue that the league knowingly allowed a game to be undermined.
That, and I would assume a lag between the end of prep and the start of testing that would be associated with temperature decline. Maybe the outside of the ball insulates the gas in the center to some degree?SumnerH said:
i would like an apology from the junkie drunk silver spoon owner of the Colts whose lousy sportsmanship has diminished the experience of the New England Patriots earning a spot in the Super Bowl, not for the people who participated in this thread which got us all through this week.
I would like an apology to the regular fans and their kids.
This son of a bitch owes at least this much to the grandparents parents and kids who love this team and had to question that love this week because of his ongoing self indulgent behavior.
Time for Step Nine Jimmy.
I would like an apology to the regular fans and their kids.
This son of a bitch owes at least this much to the grandparents parents and kids who love this team and had to question that love this week because of his ongoing self indulgent behavior.
Time for Step Nine Jimmy.
Different situation partly due to the heat source of your body.xjack said:
The body is at 98.6ish and staying (roughly) that way. Temperature loss is partly proportional to the delta T... It's BTU/(U*area*delta T). Where U is the heat loss coefficient of the material/assembly.
So a person at 100d (shorthand for a person who just worked out) in outside air of 50d will have a delta T of 50.
A ball at 70d would only have a delta of 20, so the heat loss would be slower than for a person.
Not that this changes the issue: cold rain falling on a ball is essentially like the ball being in a convective water bath...the water on the surface that is warmed is immediately replaced by colder water, so the delta T would always be at its max.
If it was wetted with warm water and then placed in a sheltered location, the water would act as additional thermal mass but not really insulation...just the opposite. Water is at least twice as thermally conductive as air, and the saturated thin football skin would not add significant mass while substantially increasing the heat transfer through the medium.
You seem to be under the misimpression that people process information rationally. Again, thanks for your high-level strategery.Grin&MartyBarret said:
Finally saw the SNL bit and can confirm the writers continue to butcher a once great franchise.
And I'm talking about SNL.
And I'm talking about SNL.
Every fucking network--I'm talking abc news, cnn, etc still doesn't understand how the Colts' balls weren't underinflated when tested
So the SportsScience piece gets pulled because it contradicts the Bill Nye hot take. And the cosmic ballet goes on.
