#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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TheoShmeo said:
If this happens it'll be both ridiculously overboard in terms of the extent of punishment and massively shortsighted. The entire storyline leading up to the Super Bowl, as well as during the telecast itself, will be focused on whether Belichick should have been suspended and what the implications will be for the game.
drleather2001 said:
Goodell is the king of reaction to the latest thing he sees. That's why the league has no larger direction, because he's a reactor, not a planner.
So I can believe this quite easily. Keruffle involving the Pats....suspend the coach.
drleather2001 said:
He also doesn't seem to understand much about football, which has been the real biter in all his fuckups. I bet he thinks the iconic "I'm shocked, shocked..." line was delivered straight.
The only thing keeping me an NFL fan at this point is my love of the Pats, especially BB and TB. It's going to really test my fandom if that happens.
I blame Jimmy G.
His plan is failing though, looks like Belichick is taking the fall and not Brady.
His plan is failing though, looks like Belichick is taking the fall and not Brady.
Hoya81 said:
Not necessarily. If this is really the road they're going down, it could be that it is part of a deal to end the investigation that Kraft and BB sign off on ... not that I can see that happening, but it could be the NFL's clumsy way of trying to escape this mess
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Of course the only real recourse any fan would be is to boycott products endorsing the NFL.
Pepsi official soft drink of the NFL. Well screw you I am drinking a coke, taking a picture of it, and tagging it #boycottpepsi #firegoodell
Bud Light the official beer of the NFL. Well screw you I am having a Miller Lite, taking a picture of it, and tagging it #boycottbudlight #firegoodell
Taco Bell the official fast food joint. Well screw you I am going to avoid Taco Bell, have a regular bowel movement, take a picture of it and tagging it #boycotttacobell #firegoodell
Get enough people doing that and Goodell is gone.
If Belichick is suspended I'm fucking done with the NFL. Suspended from the Super Bowl for something so outrageous that the prescribed penalty is lesser than what Lynch gets for not speaking to the media. Yeah, that'll do it.
I think a BB suspension of the Superbowl is almost too perfect of a solution for Goodell. Diassociates "Belicheat" from the game, keeps him from lifting the trophy, should it happen. It's a perfect PR solution; an indefinite suspension starting with the Superbowl. Regains his no-nonsense image after he flubbed Ray Rice. Protect the shield!
I know it's not my place to do this, so mods please delete and reprimand me as needed.
But it does seem like it would be nice to have a place for "news only"
(and SumnerH's math)
SumnerH, on 21 Jan 2015 - 08:36 AM, said:
But it does seem like it would be nice to have a place for "news only"
(and SumnerH's math)
SumnerH, on 21 Jan 2015 - 08:36 AM, said:
SumnerH said:
TheoShmeo said:
Do me a favor: if they're wrong, punch them in their fucking faces for lying.
TheoShmeo said:
Can you imagine the gambling implications if this were even remotely true?!?!?!
There is no way Vegas would allow this to happen....
Honestly, what problem does suspending BB solve? Is the "Pats must be punished severely" contingent so large and influential to the NFL that Goodell must pander to their every whim?
By doling out fines and taking away draft picks, Goodell puts this in the back pages come next season. By suspending BB for the Super Bowl, Goodell guarantees this will be a story for the next few years.
By doling out fines and taking away draft picks, Goodell puts this in the back pages come next season. By suspending BB for the Super Bowl, Goodell guarantees this will be a story for the next few years.
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I posted last night I thought this was going to happen.TheoShmeo said:
I believe it will, wholeheartedly. I find it hard to believe it DOESN'T happen, actually.
OK, so jasail, to his credit, followed up. And so I present to you:
jasail's Ballghazi Precis/Primer:
1) Each team provides the NFL with game balls for use during the game and the NFL requires the balls to be inflated between 12.5 - 13.5 psi and weigh between 14-15 ounces.
2) 2 hours prior to the start of the game, NFL refs are required to inspect the psi and weight of game balls provided by each team. If the balls provided do not meet these specifications, then they will be adjusted by the refs.
3) Once the balls are returned to the teams, they are put in ball bags on each sideline but are not guarded by NFL personnel. Team ball boys will provide the refs with new balls at their request.
4) League sources have confirmed that Walt Anderson and crew inspected and approved all balls provided by the Colts and Patriots 2hrs and 15 min prior to kick off and returned them to their respective teams.
5) ESPN Radio reports that Walt Anderson and crew inspected the Patriots balls again at half-time and those that were under-inflated were re-inflated and put back into play.
6) ESPN Radio reports that Walt Anderson and crew then inspected the Patriots balls again after the game. No details have been released regarding the results of these tests.
7) Chris Mortenson reports that 11/12 of the balls provided by the Patriots were found to be 2 psi below the NFL specifications. It is uncertain whether this report is with regards to the balls tested at half-time, the end of the game or some combination thereof.
8) Adam Schefter reports the Colts had concerns about the level to which the Patriots inflated their balls following the November meeting between the teams and they raised this concern to the NFL prior to the AFC Championship Game.
9) WSCH of Portland showed their math in a pv=nrt equation to show that temperature change from time of measurement to game time could result in a potential reduction of PSI by 0.4. This presumed that the air inside the ball was at 68 degrees at time of initial measurement and then 51 degrees at game time. Therefore, it is unlikely that the change in pressure is solely the result of change in temperature.
I have appended this to the end of the thread's OP. If you have any updates, addendi, amendments or changes, please post them in this thread with the designation #inflatethis.
jasail's Ballghazi Precis/Primer:
1) Each team provides the NFL with game balls for use during the game and the NFL requires the balls to be inflated between 12.5 - 13.5 psi and weigh between 14-15 ounces.
2) 2 hours prior to the start of the game, NFL refs are required to inspect the psi and weight of game balls provided by each team. If the balls provided do not meet these specifications, then they will be adjusted by the refs.
3) Once the balls are returned to the teams, they are put in ball bags on each sideline but are not guarded by NFL personnel. Team ball boys will provide the refs with new balls at their request.
4) League sources have confirmed that Walt Anderson and crew inspected and approved all balls provided by the Colts and Patriots 2hrs and 15 min prior to kick off and returned them to their respective teams.
5) ESPN Radio reports that Walt Anderson and crew inspected the Patriots balls again at half-time and those that were under-inflated were re-inflated and put back into play.
6) ESPN Radio reports that Walt Anderson and crew then inspected the Patriots balls again after the game. No details have been released regarding the results of these tests.
7) Chris Mortenson reports that 11/12 of the balls provided by the Patriots were found to be 2 psi below the NFL specifications. It is uncertain whether this report is with regards to the balls tested at half-time, the end of the game or some combination thereof.
8) Adam Schefter reports the Colts had concerns about the level to which the Patriots inflated their balls following the November meeting between the teams and they raised this concern to the NFL prior to the AFC Championship Game.
9) WSCH of Portland showed their math in a pv=nrt equation to show that temperature change from time of measurement to game time could result in a potential reduction of PSI by 0.4. This presumed that the air inside the ball was at 68 degrees at time of initial measurement and then 51 degrees at game time. Therefore, it is unlikely that the change in pressure is solely the result of change in temperature.
I have appended this to the end of the thread's OP. If you have any updates, addendi, amendments or changes, please post them in this thread with the designation #inflatethis.
Robbie Rayzor said:
By the same token, the lines would've started to move if information was swirling. Of course, maybe Theo knows something that the real life Ace Rothstein's don't.
Rudy Pemberton said:
Shannon Sharpe would curse BB's unborn grandsons to eternal fire & damnation.
Wait, have we heard from Marshall Faulk yet? Hines Ward? Sergio Brown? Anyone?
I think the emotional lift of players rallying around their coach would have more positive impact on the game for the Patriots than the loss of BB on the sidelines. His assistants are competent. I hope he isn't suspended for the Super Bowl.
Rudy Pemberton said:
How can you be sure this was said by one of the 21st century's great minds,when he speaks like he has a mouthful of marbles?
This is absolute fucking lunacy.
The National Football League: where you can murder, rape, beat your wife, beat your kids, drive drunk, roid up, trip runners from the sideline, bully your teammates, ostricize your teammates for their sexual orientation, and beat each other senseless until everyone's brains are scrambled and a bunch of you start killing yourself.
But take a little air out of a few footballs? Ban one of the greatest coaches of all time from the biggest game of the year!
The NFL's priorities are completely fucked.
The National Football League: where you can murder, rape, beat your wife, beat your kids, drive drunk, roid up, trip runners from the sideline, bully your teammates, ostricize your teammates for their sexual orientation, and beat each other senseless until everyone's brains are scrambled and a bunch of you start killing yourself.
But take a little air out of a few footballs? Ban one of the greatest coaches of all time from the biggest game of the year!
The NFL's priorities are completely fucked.
To justify suspending BB for the game, they'd have to have direct proof that deliberate deflation did occur with his full knowledge and consent. A penalty this harsh doesn't warrant suspending the head coach for an underling's actions because 'he should've known'.
Suspending BB right before the SB would be real close to the NFL throwing the BIGGEST GAME of the year.
If the allegations are true/worst case, maybe the deal is cut that after the SB he resigns.
If the allegations are true/worst case, maybe the deal is cut that after the SB he resigns.
JimD said:
I dunno, they suspended Sean Payton for a year because Williams was offering bounties to his defensive players. I can see them using the logic that Belichick is the coach so he's responsible.
Only one thing makes sense to me:
The Refs fucked up...and now everyone's got to figure a way out of it for them.
2 Hours before the game, the Refs were handed the typically under-inflated Pats footballs. No one can prove they put a gauge on them. It's just as likely the felt them and said they're OK (probably what they do before every game). (BTW, how do you test for pressure in such a small bladder without letting some air out during the test?)
This conforms to Rodger's statement that "sometimes they just let it go".
"Testing Again" 5 minutes before game time sounds like total bullshit. How long would it take to test 12-24 balls? If they did anything, they probably just felt them again and said, "OK"
They handled the balls repeatedly during the first half and never removed one. Now the Refs are going to say, "We felt they were soft but wanted to wait until halftime"?
They supposedly re-inflated the balls during halftime and re-tested them. Did anyone witness them re-testing?
I want to know how they test the footballs.
I want some ex-Refs to break the fraternity silence and say what they do or don't do relative to pressure testing.
I'm afraid this whole thing is going to come down to Refs doing what they always do, but not being able to tell the truth.
The Refs fucked up...and now everyone's got to figure a way out of it for them.
2 Hours before the game, the Refs were handed the typically under-inflated Pats footballs. No one can prove they put a gauge on them. It's just as likely the felt them and said they're OK (probably what they do before every game). (BTW, how do you test for pressure in such a small bladder without letting some air out during the test?)
This conforms to Rodger's statement that "sometimes they just let it go".
"Testing Again" 5 minutes before game time sounds like total bullshit. How long would it take to test 12-24 balls? If they did anything, they probably just felt them again and said, "OK"
They handled the balls repeatedly during the first half and never removed one. Now the Refs are going to say, "We felt they were soft but wanted to wait until halftime"?
They supposedly re-inflated the balls during halftime and re-tested them. Did anyone witness them re-testing?
I want to know how they test the footballs.
I want some ex-Refs to break the fraternity silence and say what they do or don't do relative to pressure testing.
I'm afraid this whole thing is going to come down to Refs doing what they always do, but not being able to tell the truth.
JimD said:
Again: doesn't matter. Goodell could just invoke some language like "For repeated transgressions against the gentlemanly nature of the game" or some shit, with explicit references to spygate and some vague shit related to other issues thrown in .
There is no Rev said:
WSCH's calculations are wrong, as shown by SumnerH in this thread. They used the wrong p (gauge pressure instead of absolute pressure).
JimD said:
After the Ray Rice thing it would be hilarious to suspend two coaches (BB, Payton) for "he should've known" reasons.
Rudy Pemberton said:
Your mistake here is thinking that Goodell operates in a fully rational manner.
Remember, coaches can't appeal suspensions, unlike players.
dynomite said:
Yeah, I think it's easier for us to get distracted than the team and coaches when they're at work. We have the internet going on all the time, which is the distraction. They're out, like, doing stuff.
TheoShmeo said:
Drew Magary on this issue:
Hoya81 said:
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
It would be the stuff of legend.
pappymojo said:
I wonder if the league can take action against any players if they show up and refuse to play. I mean, like, they go on the field but just sorta wander around. Fulfill their contractual obligation but destroy the game.
The issue is who has more to lose.
DrewDawg said:
Payton was also involved in the cover-up, so he was hardly innocent.Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
I know when I think of the NFL, the bolded is the first word that comes to mind.drleather2001 said:
Rudy Pemberton said:
It's not fair to compare the two things.
Why would you expect the NFL to be fair?
EDIT: Unrelatedly could you freaking imagine what the pats would say post game if BB was suspended for this bullshit and the Pats still won?