Kinda makes you wish for a live video-follow on with Jim P channeling his inner Moe Howard
#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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If somebody is going to hack the NFL's computer system, let them aim for hacking the e-mail system, with a result of letting the world know in a documented, orderly format how this whole miserable blight upon the integrity of the league office originated and was pursued even after it became obvious that there were no shenanigans pulled in regard to air pressure. As regards the Twitter hack, I personally would have preferred a fake message that Goodell has decided to resign - his children shouldn't have a chance to see something out there indicating that their father has bought the farm (collateral damage can be OK when necessary for a greater good, but there is a moral mandate, I think, to avoid collateral damage if it's not necessary when aiming for a goal).
I do, however, fully endorse the "he's number one" finger-salute photo, as that's nothing but good clean fun and Goodell should be generally aware that in behaving like a total douche, he can reasonably be expected to be the brunt of what otherwise would be poor manners.
I do, however, fully endorse the "he's number one" finger-salute photo, as that's nothing but good clean fun and Goodell should be generally aware that in behaving like a total douche, he can reasonably be expected to be the brunt of what otherwise would be poor manners.
“@barryap1: The NFL’s Twitter password appears to have been “olsen3culvercam88” https://t.co/PM7eFfw9lU
I'm really disappointed I didn't see the Tweet before the report of the hacking -- those few moments of joy would have been wonderful thinking he was dead. I'm totally comfortable saying that I would have been happy, would have had zero empathy for his family, and would have probably even high-fived random strangers walking down the street.
Also, the Schefter tweet about the NFL "reviewing and strengthening" their cyber security is great. #IntegrityOfTheGame
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Also, the Schefter tweet about the NFL "reviewing and strengthening" their cyber security is great. #IntegrityOfTheGame
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I did see the tweet first, and it was a glorious few seconds.
But just think of the memorials we'd have to see on TV and the web...suddenly Saint Goodell...bleh!
I want this fucking asshole to live long enough for the rest of the world to figure out what a piece of shit he is. Hopefully that's about 3 more months.
Looks like Jim got fired. Apparently Rog wasn’t too happy with that photo….
http://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/did-roger-goodell-have-the-pats-fan-who-gave-him-the-bird-fired/
He works or worked for a company called CGI. Well I’m hearing rumors today that Roger Goodell personally called CGI and demanded Jim Podanoffsky’s head on a silver platter.
http://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/did-roger-goodell-have-the-pats-fan-who-gave-him-the-bird-fired/
He works or worked for a company called CGI. Well I’m hearing rumors today that Roger Goodell personally called CGI and demanded Jim Podanoffsky’s head on a silver platter.
Idiot probably called in sick to go to the tournament and then this ended up all over the webz
Here's an archived copy of the company's site that included Jim's profile.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160410204226/http://cgicompany.com/team.php
So I'm assuming CGI Communications does work with the NFL and that is why he was at the golf tournament? If so, not a good move on his part.
God, I'd love to run into that fuckface up in Maine some time...
https://web.archive.org/web/20160410204226/http://cgicompany.com/team.php
So I'm assuming CGI Communications does work with the NFL and that is why he was at the golf tournament? If so, not a good move on his part.
God, I'd love to run into that fuckface up in Maine some time...
Well...that was 10 minutes of my life lost. What say the engineer's here about this man's assertion?
I can't believe RG thinks that anyplace in New England represents friendly ground (or even safe territory) for him any more. He should just sell the place in Maine, or come to grips with the fact that he'll be very, very unpopular with his neighbours.
As an aside - when Ralph Sampson mattered in basketball, he got into a fight on the court with Jerry Sichting of the Celts - biggest guy on the court vs. the littlest guy.
IIRC...
- Samson earned a permanent middle nickname - I still think of him as Ralph "Bow Wow" Sampson.
- He was booed viciously every time he touched the ball after that in Boston (Wikipedia notes that "Ralph Sampson was held to only eight points on 4-for-12 shooting, visibly distracted by an angry Boston Garden crowd in the aftermath of Game 5")
- Many years later, when Sampson was a benchwarmer for Golden State, he got into the last minute or so of a game in the Garden - and when he touched the ball, he was still booed.
EDIT: Here's a clip of the incident:
And here's one of Game 6. Check out the booing of Sampson at 11:03, and any other time he touches the ball, the "Sampson is a Sissy" sign at 12:05, the reminder of why Larry was the greatest...
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Worth it. The balloons coming out of Rog's head are the extra touch that might make it sui generis, no matter how much imitators might try.
In the Case of James L. Turner (former Miami Dolphin O-line coach) v. Theodore V. Wells Jr. et al., case number 15-cv-61855, in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida, one has to be amused at this assertion from Turner's lawyer about that "other" Wells Report.
“Indeed, as a result of initial disclosures, plaintiff recently learned that a high-ranking National Football League official … attended many of the interviews conducted during their supposedly independent investigation,” he said. “This official’s presence at these interviews supports plaintiff’s allegations that defendants were taking their instructions from the NFL and tailored their findings, and ultimately the Wells report, to the NFL’s agenda.”
http://www.law360.com/sports/articles/805211?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=section
“Indeed, as a result of initial disclosures, plaintiff recently learned that a high-ranking National Football League official … attended many of the interviews conducted during their supposedly independent investigation,” he said. “This official’s presence at these interviews supports plaintiff’s allegations that defendants were taking their instructions from the NFL and tailored their findings, and ultimately the Wells report, to the NFL’s agenda.”
http://www.law360.com/sports/articles/805211?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=section
Nothing is going to change about how the NFL does business unless a critical mass of the owners wakes up and realizes that they, like Kraft, could go from being a Goodell Enabler to a Goodell Target.
Without that, the NFL will continue to order up "independent" reports that are anything but that. And when the targets complain about pseudo independence and made to order results, their response will be minimized as the complaints of wrongdoers.
Well, maybe saying "nothing is going to change" is not quite right. If the Second Circuit grants rehearing and pins its decision on rehearing or the merits on, even in part, the ridiculousness of the independent report being NFL driven, then maybe Goodell will be forced to do something different.
That seems unlikely on a bunch of levels.
Again, that this man dares to toss around the word "integrity" is high comedy.
Without that, the NFL will continue to order up "independent" reports that are anything but that. And when the targets complain about pseudo independence and made to order results, their response will be minimized as the complaints of wrongdoers.
Well, maybe saying "nothing is going to change" is not quite right. If the Second Circuit grants rehearing and pins its decision on rehearing or the merits on, even in part, the ridiculousness of the independent report being NFL driven, then maybe Goodell will be forced to do something different.
That seems unlikely on a bunch of levels.
Again, that this man dares to toss around the word "integrity" is high comedy.
I think many of them know that but are willing to accept that risk, due to its relatively small likelihood of being realized for their specific franchise.
Except the gun has 32 chambers and in the unlikely event of a loss, you're still filthy rich and owner of a lucrative NFL team.
And let's face it...the chances are even lower than 1/32 because certain teams have targets on their backs.
And let's face it...the chances are even lower than 1/32 because certain teams have targets on their backs.
You can count on one hand easily the people here who were the least bit critical of the NFL's approach to investigating the Dolphins in this matter. This place was a PC furnace, wanted Richie Incognito roasted on a spit, and the Dolphins severely punished. Nobody gave a rat's ass about Jim Turner, or fairness or anything else. And yet the chorus is that 31 other NFL owners are shortsighted. Lol.
Same with the Saints bountygate. Only when it hits your team do you pay attention. And even then some owners don't care that much (Jerrah)
You can LOL about that as much as you want but the NFL owners are indeed short sighted. That we missed that here at SoSH does not make it any less so.
Human nature is what it is, and that means that most people will not pick up on the fact that Goodell's nonsense matters most when you are on the wrong side of it. But letting Goodell infect so-called independent investigations with NFL bias is something that CAN bite you in the ass. It happened to the Fins and then it happened to the Pats. Bob Kraft, like his NFL brethren, propped Goodell up and enabled him, and then the half assed, finger in the air, agenda based nonsense that was present in the Ray Rice situation, and many other situations, came home to roost for the Patriots.
There are differences in all of these situations but the common denominator is that the owners conveniently overlook Goodell's behavior unless and until they are the recipients. That's short sighted. It doesn't make them idiots or bad people. But having a Commissioner who can solve problems as opposed to pour gasoline on them matters a lot when you are being investigated, as some of the owners have learned and others have largely ignored.
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Apologies if this has been posted previously, but I didn't see it posted and it is dated June 7th, so...here:
https://climateaudit.org/2016/06/07/deflategate-controversy-is-due-to-scientist-error/
https://climateaudit.org/2016/06/07/deflategate-controversy-is-due-to-scientist-error/
It wasn't, but that doesn't detract from what I perceive to be the central point, which is that to casual fans and the rest of the NFL owners, the Pats (and Brady) appear to be as "innocent" as Richie Incognito.
What complicates this is that Incognito probably was/is what we thought. That doesn't change the fact that the investigation was a sham that we were willing to accept because it fit the narrative.
In the case of the Dolphins, it looks like Jim Turner was collateral damage. In the case of the Pats, it appears that Brady's reputation is taking the hit. And it's all in service of the NFL's ability to project unfettered power, which most of us (myself included) were fine with at the time of the Miami investigation.
It's unreasonable to expect that the other owners will wake up and understand the nature of the monster they have created when (1) we weren't able to do so, and (2) they are that monster.
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Thanks, but - this hasn't been about facts or science for a long time now.
When I read that article last night, my first thought was that it would bite us, as it seemed to me that pumping the balls to just above the low threshold after "gloving" (but just before ref testing) could be spun as a way to have Tom Brady get the below-regulation PSI he'd prefer, since it seems like the Pats may have known that the balls were only temporarily within the tolerance.
Brady was one of the architects of the rule change to allow teams to take ball preparation right to the limit of the rule book in service of QB preferences. Kind of naive to assume that this isn't precisely what the Pats were doing.
That doesn't justify the theater of the absurd we've witnessed for the past 17 + months. But it is what it is.
Whether anyone cared about Incognito's treatment by the NFL at the time or gave a rat's ass for Jim Turner is not the point. The point is that each time anyone has peeled back the onion just a little bit on the purported independence of an NFL investigation completed by those stewards of propriety Ted Wells, Paul Weiss or the integrity protecting commissioner, one learns that the fix was in...again. Miami, Ray Rice, Bountygate and DFG all expose the sham. It's true that no one cares when it's not their team, but the point stands about the recklessness and dishonesty with which the NFL conducts its penalty procedures.
1) this is but one possible explanation for the disparity. Another possible explanation is that the ref used the faulty gauge as was his best recollection.
2) having said that, if anyone involved from the NFL were even partially straightforward, this explanation could potentially be the out that allows the NFL to concede that their investigation went over the line while also saving face. This is never going to happen, but the NFL could come out and say something like "After further review, we believe that the Patriots did not break a rule but we do believe that they unknowingly impacted the ball pressure for game usage through the process by which they prepared the balls prior to turning them over the refs. As a result, in the future, the officials will collect the game balls two hours in advance of the game, and the officials will set the ball pressure one hour in advance of the game. This change will allow all balls to normalize for an hour before the ball pressure is set by the officials." Of course, that won't resolve issues where the officials are stealing game balls, or the officials are leaving the game balls in the hotel room by accident, but it would allow for the NFL to correct their mistake without admitting that they made a mistake.
More to the point, it's been a witch hunt against a very successful franchise who many of the other franchises feel have been cheating all along so this was their best chance to settle those vendettas.
I can tell you when the whole Ballghazi kerfuffle erupted about the only NFL fans I got any sympathy from were the Dolphins fans. The minute Wells was named the lead investigator the consensus reaction amongst my Miami fan friends was "I assumed you guys were guilty, sorry about that. But get ready, because the Patriots are fucked."
Just a note, that wasn't the rule change, per se. Prior to the Manning rule the home team prepared all the balls for game use, the actual rule change was that teams just prepared their own balls in general whether at home or on the road.
Nothing particularly new in this article, but I do think it distills the legal arguments on behalf of the NFLPA pretty cogently and clearly.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/06/10/the-case-for-tom-brady-an-arbitrators-take/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/06/10/the-case-for-tom-brady-an-arbitrators-take/
Yes, that is precisely the rule change I was referring to. Manning and Brady were the architects.
Yeah, but it wasn't the sort of change you were implying. Teams *always* took "ball preparation right to the limit of the rule book in service of QB preferences". I mean literally going back to the early days of the game. The only real change the Manning rule wrought was to remove the home team advantage and make contests more equal.
This is idiocy, pure and simple.
By your own admission, teams did not *always* take ball preparation right to the limit of the rule book, because half the time they were not allowed to supply the footballs.
The importance of the "Manning rule" has been mentioned any number of times in this thread and it is precisely what I was referring to. For you to state otherwise is ridiculous.
Would have been a hell of a lot more helpful if it were written before the appeal.
The money quote is this:
The problem, of course, is that what Exponent does isn't really "science", despite being described as such.
(Which also makes me wonder why no one on Brady's (or the Pats') side just hired another Exponent-like firm to do the exact same thing.)
They kind of did.
Their professor said the accuracy of the input data is horrible, so any conclusion drawn from it are bullshit. They simply skipped the bullshit.
That message should be more powerful, IMO. However, the NFL always had the advantage of making headlines first and doing so with reams of paper, to an audience who mostly wanted the Patriots to be guilty.
Because of the basic problem with this whole thing -- that the trier of fact was going to rule against him no matter how compelling his evidence.
On my phone. Sorry if this has been posted before. Yet another journalist pointing out the lack of integrity in Godell's behavior. A good read.
https://consortiumnews.com/2016/06/09/deflategate-twist-31-nfl-teams-are-cheating/
https://consortiumnews.com/2016/06/09/deflategate-twist-31-nfl-teams-are-cheating/
THank's for sharing that. It's obviously preaching the choir here but the more voices there are out there takes the sting away ever so slightly.
The texts from the November Jets game would seem to indicate that's not what was happening, though. The rule has been in place for many years, so if they weren't doing it by November of 2014, I don't think your theory holds. I think the far more likely theory is they used the gauge Anderson remembered using.