#DFG: Canceling the Noise

Is there any level of suspension that you would advise Tom to accept?


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Devizier

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glennhoffmania said:
In all fairness what should McNair say?  "Yeah the people hired by my organization were incompetent and have treated a player like shit"?  There's no good answer he could give there.
"I don't know" is my go to in these situations.
 

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E5 Yaz said:
 
First they came for the Saints, and since I wasn't a Saint ...
 
Not to mention the idiotic penalizing of the Cowboys and the Washington Racists for "violating" the cap in an uncapped year. That probably should have tipped us off that the NFL was drunk on power, but I was too busy writing LOL Dan Snyder to understand that. Mea culpa.
 

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No. But the etiquette is as described above, and you don't rock the boat, particularly when things have gone reasonably well. And things have gone reasonably well.

It will come as a shock to some but you can't DVOA this stuff. Nate Silver would be lost here. There are real human beings under those robes, and who knows what set them off in a close case -- and this is a close case.

Will it matter? Almost certainly not. But is it too much to keep a lid on it for another day or two? I don't think so.          
 
 
Trust me, I know. And Agree.  Lawyers should do ALL their talking in court.
 

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Listen to this verbal shrug of shoulders from Mcnair. Moving Texans to right behind Baltimore and Colts on my list for hoping which team is the next recipient of RG's Broken Rules Punishment Fun House of Non Conclusiv/Nonexistent  Rule Breaking
 
Mike Meltser ‏@MikeMeltser  9m9 minutes ago
"Is there anything conclusive there? No, you don't have any conclusive evidence, but the whole idea is we want to make sure we have.." (1/2)
 
ike Meltser ‏@MikeMeltser  9m9 minutes ago
"..A competitive playing field that's level for everybody...we don't want people breaking the rules." (2/2) McNair on Texans Radio
 
"In the minds of somebody in that organization, they thought it was important. They thought it would give them a competitive..." (1/2)
 
Mike Meltser ‏@MikeMeltser  3m
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"...Advantage, and that's why they did it...You just want to eliminate that kind of situation if you can." (2/2) Bob McNair on Texans Radio
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PedroKsBambino said:
 
I think he could have said "my hope is none of our players end up in a situation where any of these questions are raised" which plays it right down the middle.
 
He chose something that was much more critical of Brady, which is his choice, but I think fairly opens him up to critcism about his knowledge level for the criticism
 
 
Devizier said:
"I don't know" is my go to in these situations.
 
I don't think the answer he decided to give was very good.  Both of these would've been better.  But there is no good option.
 
And the quotes Jim just posted are pretty stupid.  So I'm not defending McNair, but I think any owner who was asked that question would struggle with it.
 

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That guy actually said "no one can prove they did anything, but they did something, and need to be punished." This whole bizarre thing needs to come to an end except it won't, because these are the people who run this league.
 

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glennhoffmania said:
 
 
 
I don't think the answer he decided to give was very good.  Both of these would've been better.  But there is no good option.
 
And the quotes Jim just posted are pretty stupid.  So I'm not defending McNair, but I think any owner who was asked that question would struggle with it.
 
Agreed, those quotes are just silly.   There is no evidence anything was done wrong, there is no evidence the balls were below legal levels as defined in the rules, and there is no evidence the levels observed at halftime raise any competitive issue.  If you're going to make the 'level playing field' argument you need some of those facts.
 
His answer is equally true of a suspension of JJ Watt because a test, which may or may not have been his, tested 'inconclusive' for PEDs somewhere in Houston.
 

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Steve Dillard said:
Just went through my emails from PACER in other cases, and most of my orders from judges (as distinct from party filings) are between 4 and 5 pm.  Only found one post-5 pm procedural order approving a schedule request.
 
Thanks!!
 
...wish I'd known this at 9am.   :(
 

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Actually it's like JJ possibly knowing that his teammate more probably than not took a banned substance (though no one saw the teammate take the banned substance and the test was inconclusive at best) but because we are concerned with the competitive balance of the league we will, without evidence, suspend JJ for being more probably than not generally aware that the teammate may have (again more probably than not) taken the banned substance which in all likelihood, given that the player improved after he presumably stopped taking of the banned substance, gave him no benefit what so ever and may have hurt his performance.
 

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CaptainLaddie said:
Whenever this wants to fucking drop, it would be great.
 
 
E5 Yaz said:
 
Not necessarily. It could make things worse.
 
Had the same reaction -- be careful what you wish for.  
 
I expect that when you know tens of thousands of people will be reading your work, and many of them will be looking to criticize you either way, you spend a little bit longer editing.
 

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CaptainLaddie said:
It could. But at least  we're at the next step.
You don't want the drop-drop-drip of one, possibly two, stay applications if we lose this, believe me. That will make this waiting seem like a party.
 

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If Brady requires a stay to play against Pittsburgh, I don't want him to taking a single snap. He's going to be surrounded entirely by backups after Goodell uses his newly affirmed authority to announce 30 second before kickoff that he's suspending every member of the Patriots starting offense 6 games for..well, whatever reason he feels like.
 

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What do you think the chances are that 3 or 4 SoSHers currently have created "Brady wins appeal" and "Brady loses appeal" thread-starters in separate windows, waiting for that first tweet with the decision ... just so they can be the first person to post it to the board?
 

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I keep seeing the "Your team won" thread and thinking that's it.  Alas, it's not.
 

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E5 Yaz said:
What do you think the chances are that 3 or 4 SoSHers currently have created "Brady wins appeal" and "Brady loses appeal" thread-starters in separate windows, waiting for that first tweet with the decision ... just so they can be the first person to post it to the board?
Corsi for sure
 

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E5 Yaz said:
What do you think the chances are that 3 or 4 SoSHers currently have created "Brady wins appeal" and "Brady loses appeal" thread-starters in separate windows, waiting for that first tweet with the decision ... just so they can be the first person to post it to the board?
 
"New England Quarterback Tom Brady wins court appeal in New York City against NFL"
 

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CaptainLaddie said:
and soxhop.  Shit, they've both probably got different versions ready and have for months.
 
Anyhow, I feel like we're going to miss it today.
 
I picture Soxhop with two laptops going, one thread ready to go in each, with his hands on the mice, waiting for his Twitter machine to ding so he knows which submit button to click.
 

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This topic went from 734835 views at 4:21 to 736702 at 4:31 and there are ~770 users so people aren't refreashing all that quickly.  Maybe once every four minutes on average.
 

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Sorry if this is old news, but the court issued an order today saying that it anticipates issuing its decision by the end of the week.  Not sure how long ago that order came out, but it seems to suggest nothing is going to happen today.
 

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If Brady wins this, it's going to be a real shame that Paul Heyman isn't his agent. That would be a statement I'd love to hear. Super Bowl City.
 

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https://twitter.com/WALLACHLEGAL/status/638812620724637696
 
 
 
DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
Sorry if this is old news, but the court issued an order today saying that it anticipates issuing its decision by the end of the week.  Not sure how long ago that order came out, but it seems to suggest nothing is going to happen today.
Take it for what it is worth from Wallach putting a breaking on it.
 

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DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
Sorry if this is old news, but the court issued an order today saying that it anticipates issuing its decision by the end of the week.  Not sure how long ago that order came out, but it seems to suggest nothing is going to happen today.
 
Okay, I'll ask it: Is it possible that the sides have asked Berman to hold off while they conduct super-secret settlement talks?