#DFG: Canceling the Noise

[Seonachan]

 
The Rape of Lucrece - Shakespeare.

 

 

[Red Right Ankle]

 
All meant to be light-hearted as we pass the day, waiting.

Then all the dogs came running
And dug the dog a tomb
And wrote upon the tombstone
For the eyes of dogs to come:
 
A dog came in the kitchen
And stole a crust of bread.
Then cook up with a ladle
And beat him till he was dead.
 
Then all the dogs came running
And dug the dog a tomb–

 

[shepard50]

 
Then all the dogs came running
And dug the dog a tomb
And wrote upon the tombstone
For the eyes of dogs to come:
 
A dog came in the kitchen
And stole a crust of bread.
Then cook up with a ladle
And beat him till he was dead.
 
Then all the dogs came running
And dug the dog a tomb–
 

 
 
Perfect....
 
"Nothing happens. Nobody comes, nobody goes. It's awful.” 

 

[nighthob]

 
Defamation lawsuit? Definitely

 
Here's a question, given that Goodell is seen far and wide as a vindictive, bumbling idiot, could he even bring a defamation suit in the first place?

 

[joe dokes]

The gravamen of your asservation is that the Justice dabbles in pedantry?
 

        
This thread would qualify as flogging the expired equine. 
 
EDIT: As Selya himself would say, "We're judges; there's no justice at the First Circuit."  (except when Souter sits). 

 

[OnWisc]

I hope Berman accompanies a Brady decision with notice that he's been appointed to the Second Circuit (or whatever) and will also be hearing the appeal.

 

[j44thor]

What is the peak # of users that this thread reaches today?
 
What is the all-time non-GT peak and will we break that?  Currently 584 as I type this.
Over Under at 1k seem about right?

 

[dcmissle]

 
What's the timing on this re: a stay?  
 
If he's being considerate/sensible, I figure he'd probably issue his ruling in enough time so that the most affected party (Brady) can move for a stay.   If he's ruling against the NFL, it really does not matter if he gets it out any particular time; however, it would give Brady/the Pats some mental relief re: knowing whether he'd be filing a stay/appealing, and what their literal game plan should be for the season opener.  
 
Worst case for Brady would be the judge upholding the suspension, but not doing so until just before the season opener.   What's the turnaround on an emergency Motion to Stay?

Judge needs to get crackin' unless he wants to read stay papers Labor Day weekend. Unless a ruling for the League would be accompanied by a stay, which would be a bit presumptuous, though not unheard of.

Which led me to post yesterday that If this dribbles late into the week, I'm getting really concerned if I represent the League.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Rev isn't here today,so I'm going to try to fill his shoes and hide/delete misleading or otherwise crap posts. Just a heads up.

 

[dcmissle]

The gravamen of your asservation is that the Justice dabbles in pedantry?

I love that Judge. He's George Will with a sense of humor and without old man anger.

 

[FL4WL3SS]

Rev isn't here today,so I'm going to try to fill his shoes and hide/delete misleading or otherwise crap posts. Just a heads up.

YOU WOULD!

 

[Otis Foster]

        
This thread would qualify as flogging the expired equine. 
 
EDIT: As Selya himself would say, "We're judges; there's no justice at the First Circuit."  (except when Souter sits). 

 
 Souter is not a Pats fan.

 

[nighthob]

        
This thread would qualify as flogging the expired equine. 
 
EDIT: As Selya himself would say, "We're judges; there's no justice at the First Circuit."  (except when Souter sits). 

 
 

 

[dcmissle]

Rev isn't here today,so I'm going to try to fill his shoes and hide/delete misleading or otherwise crap posts. Just a heads up.

You mean heads off -- Esoecially if I ask your thought about Tyrod Taylor being named the starter by Rex?

 

[DennyDoyle'sBoil]

 
 Souter is not a Pats fan.

 
He probably would be if he knew what they were.

 

[Otis Foster]

"We wait. We are bored. No, don't protest, we are bored to death, there's no denying it."
 
Waiting for Godot,  Samuel Beckett

 

[dcmissle]

Selya talks only to Souter. Who talks only to God.

 

[loshjott]

I'm guessing the Gang Green DFG thread is not quoting Shakespeare, Eliot, and Beckett.

 

[OnWisc]

I'm guessing the Gang Green DFG thread is not quoting Shakespeare, Eliot, and Beckett.

Maybe Chris Elliot.

 

[shepard50]

I'm guessing the Gang Green DFG thread is not quoting Shakespeare, Eliot, and Beckett.

 
Just to be accurate, that was the third Beckett quote in a page and half. 
 
I pulled the last post of the Tom Brady Suspended thread form Gang Green (look, it is addressed to us!):
 

 
 
your cheating fucks have received more than their fair share of warnings already.
that is why this is where it is. 
any delusional fan who thinks the league is just picking on the Pats needs to take a hard look in the mirror.
the league is just finally putting an end to the bullshit which has been ongoing for over a decade plus..

 

[Red Right Ankle]

 
 
Perfect....
 
"Nothing happens. Nobody comes, nobody goes. It's awful.” 

Why don't we hang ourselves?

 

[Shelterdog]

I'm guessing the Gang Green DFG thread is not quoting Shakespeare, Eliot, and Beckett.

 
They don't discuss cultural things since a  "Who's better; The Piano Man or the Boss" thread led to tragic consequences in '08.  They're still pulling track suits out of the burnt hulks of Camaros.

 

[Red Right Ankle]

 
They don't discuss cultural things since a  "Who's better; The Piano Man or the Boss" thread led to tragic consequences in '08.  They're still pulling track suits out of the burnt hulks of Camaros.

No one expected a third column of Bon Jovi acolytes with nukes to show up to that one.

 

[Jimbodandy]

The gravamen of your asservation is that the Justice dabbles in pedantry?

 
Two new words in one post.  Thanks!

 

[deanx0]

Maybe Chris Elliot.

 
The comedy of Chris Elliot is way above that group. Larry the Cable Guy ("Hey Roger! Git R Done!") is a better choice.

 

[Corsi]

Josina Anderson:
 
 

A Tom Brady camp source gave me this interesting nugget this am. 1 of the 19 cases cited by Brady's camp in a recent memo to Judge Richard M. Berman ---NYC v. Association of Wall-Ceiling & Carpentry Industry of N.Y., Inc. ---was ruled on by Judge Berman himself within the last four months.
 
The Brady camp source expressed surprise, that in their mind, many in media have not picked up on the fact that Judge Berman himself ruled on the aforementioned case and more importantly vacated the arbitration award "for violating the essence of the CBA," according to the Brady camp source.
 
The source added, "which is the same as our first two grounds here [**see below]. (Judge Berman) did not find deference was required where the essence of the CBA is violated by the award." Adding, "I think this is significant because it shows how Judge Berman feels about the argument that courts never overturn arbitrators."
 
The Brady camp source noted this, given all the talk on how courts, in general, don't favor a determination to throw out arbitrator rulings.
 
Asked when they think Judge Berman will make a decision here:
 
I think (Tuesday) is a possibility," the source said. "People are reading tea leaves. The Judge didn’t say anything or indicate whether it would be Tuesday or the next day. But it will be Tuesday or the next day. I don’t think it is going to be later than that."
 
When I asked which of their arguments do they feel is the strongest, the Brady camp source said, “I think all four of our arguments are strong. It would not surprise me if we win on all four. It's not like we have a really good one and then the other ones are not so good. It’s one of the reasons why I think we have such a good chance of winning because we only have to win on one of the four, but I think they are all very good. [**] The first one is on no notice; two, is no standards for testing the balls; three, is evident partiality and four is on fundamental fairness of the process...I have a lot of confidence in this Judge. I think he is a very good Judge.”
 

 

[HomeBrew1901]

Josina Anderson:
 
 

Wow, so this could just be the negative side of me, but could leaks like this hurt Brady and the NFLPA or has the judge tipped his hand to them so they know what's coming?  Seems like radio silence from the NFL.

 

[nighthob]

No one expected a third column of Bon Jovi acolytes with nukes to show up to that one.

 
They were just in a Newark State of Mind...
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYQl_YehjgE

 

[Myt1]

 
Just to be accurate, that was the third Beckett quote in a page and half. 
 
I pulled the last post of the Tom Brady Suspended thread form Gang Green (look, it is addressed to us!):
 

A willow deeply scarred, somebody's broken heart
And washed out dream
They follow the pattern of the wind, ya see
'Cause they got no place to be.
That's why I'm startin' with me.

 

[crystalline]

On recent themes

I extract significance from melodrama, a significance which it does not in fact contain; but occasionally, from out of this matter, there escapes a thin beam of light that, seen at the right angle, can crack the shell of mortality.


In Brady news, This article on the WBUR site is one of the best summaries I've seen. Send it to all of your friends and relatives that think Brady must have done something wrong.

http://cognoscenti.wbur.org/2015/08/31/patriots-roger-goodell-tom-brady-court-robert-blecker

In the months since, many of us who care about the truth whether or not we root for the Patriots (and I do not) have come to appreciate this carefully constructed, false appearance of guilt. [...]
The leagues accusatory statement, apparently damning at first blush, turns out to be misleading, irrelevant, and thoroughly predictable.

 

[Otis Foster]

Wow, so this could just be the negative side of me, but could leaks like this hurt Brady and the NFLPA or has the judge tipped his hand to them so they know what's coming?  Seems like radio silence from the NFL.

 
He hasn't tipped his hand. There have been virtually no leaks since this landed in his courtroom. There are any number of reasons that the PA would tout the strength of its case, but influencing the judge one way or another isn't one of them.

 

[WayBackVazquez]

Josina Anderson:
 
 

 
 

FWIW, I downloaded and reviewed the transcript of the hearing in the case (New York City v. Assoc. of Wall-Ceiling & Carpentry Indus. of N.Y., 2015 WL 1938148 (S.D.N.Y. Apr. 27, 2015)) where Judge Berman vacated an award in April. He was very aggressive/antagonistic toward the side seeking to have the award confirmed, which doesn't necessarily support the theory that he was just getting on Nash to push him towards settlement. He also didn't take too kindly to its suggestion that the arbitrator was entitled to nearly unlimited deference:
 
In response to the assertion by counsel that "it really doesn't matter if [the arbitrator was] right or wrong:"
 

 

[TheoShmeo]

HomeBrew, I would not worry about leaks hurting Brady now.  I'm not sure I would qualify that as a leak in any event.  But no matter what it is, I think Berman has decided and is either polishing the written opinion (and he has to know that it will be more widely scoured than most anything he has ever produced, sadly enough) or giving the parties one last opportunity to settle during the interim period (which seems HIGHLY unlikely but remains possible). 

 

[Section15Box113]

I hope Berman accompanies a Brady decision with notice that he's been appointed to the Second Circuit (or whatever) and will also be hearing the appeal.

 
This deserves a little recognition.
 
Kudos - and thanks for the laugh.

 

[Hambone]

I wonder if Berman is monitoring this thread amongst other social media to determine when to drop the news to best toy with everyone's emotions. 

 

[bowiac]

Wow, so this could just be the negative side of me, but could leaks like this hurt Brady and the NFLPA or has the judge tipped his hand to them so they know what's coming?  Seems like radio silence from the NFL.

Other lawyers can correct me, but I'm basically unaware of any court decisions being leaked ahead of time. That's mostly because of lack of interest, but even high profile Supreme Court decisions like gay marriage, or the ACA don't get leaked, and you've got a universe of 50+ people who have the answers there.

 

[ilol@u]

If Berman vacates the suspension, I hope #ThankYouBerman is trending on Twitter.

 

[Shelterdog]

If Berman vacates the suspension, I hope #ThankYouBerman is trending on Twitter.

 
And then we get to go through all this again!

 

[Ed Hillel]

Come on Berman, give us what we want. I can't keep checking BACK BACK BACK BACK BACK to this thread.

 

[soxhop411]

ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk  40m40 minutes ago
P.R. chief Paul Hicks leaves the NFL, and the news emerges on the same day a #DeflateGate ruling is expected http://wp.me/p14QSB-9Q4a 

 

[Late Yclept Chanticleer]

Come on Berman, give us what we want. I can't keep checking BACK BACK BACK BACK BACK to this thread.

We have done what we wanted.
We have discarded dreams, preferring the heavy industry   
of each other, and we have welcomed grief
and called ruin the impossible habit to break.

And now we are here.
The dinner is ready and we cannot eat.   
The meat sits in the white lake of its dish.   
The wine waits.

Coming to this
has its rewards: nothing is promised, nothing is taken away.   
We have no heart or saving grace,
no place to go, no reason to remain.

 

[DukeSox]

#FeelTheBerm

 

[Omar's Wacky Neighbor]

I hope Berman accompanies a Brady decision with notice that he's been appointed to the Second Circuit (or whatever) and will also be hearing the appeal.

That makes NO sense:  in what warped world could the person who makes the original decision possibly have the opportunity to hear the appeal of his own decision????
 
Is that what they're teaching in Civics nowaday.....

 

[CaptainLaddie]

It'll drop around 1, right when I leave for a doctor's appt.  The appeal ruling came down when I had a doctor's appt, and I was visiting a friend in the hospital when the initial punishments came down.

 

[Harry Hooper]

Come on Berman, give us what we want. I can't keep checking BACK BACK BACK BACK BACK to this thread.

 
I believe there will be a new thread when the ruling comes out.
 
 
Boomer reference was good, though the earlier one about leather with Berman is very hard to top.

 

[dcmissle]

That makes NO sense:  in what warped world could the person who makes the original decision possibly have the opportunity to hear the appeal of his own decision????
 
Is that what they're teaching in Civics nowaday.....

I hope you are in touch with your ironic side.

 

[joe dokes]

Souter is not a Pats fan.
 

 
That John Adams bobblehead didn't crawl onto that shelf by itself.
 

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OnWisc
 

I hope Berman accompanies a Brady decision with notice that he's been appointed to the Second Circuit (or whatever) and will also be hearing the appeal
 

 
This is perfect.  (the comment; not the current state of my quote function.)

 

[Jimbodandy]

I hope you are in touch with your ironic side.

 
Sarcasm meters have been misfiring for about 36 hours.  Unplanned outage.

 

[Omar's Wacky Neighbor]

Other lawyers can correct me, but I'm basically unaware of any court decisions being leaked ahead of time. That's mostly because of lack of interest, but even high profile Supreme Court decisions like gay marriage, or the ACA don't get leaked, and you've got a universe of 50+ people who have the answers there.

Would it be way wrong to guess that Stephen Brown from the NYDN has bought enough people in that building a cup of coffee to get a quick  "Psssst, you may wanna hit F5 over the next few minutes..." ?

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

 
That John Adams bobblehead didn't crawl onto that shelf by itself.
 
.          
 
This is perfect.  (the comment; not the current state of my quote function.)

 
We were looking for Sam Adams or Julius Adams