#DFG: Canceling the Noise

Is there any level of suspension that you would advise Tom to accept?


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Bleedred

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redsoxcentury said:
AND HE IS BACK BIG!!
 
us against everyone.  can't wait for belichick to speak
Forgive my cynicism, but in 6 months (or sooner) you'll see Bob and Roger riding segways somewhere together and singing Carly Rae Jepsen songs.
 

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I want him to end this by saying, effective immediately I resign as CEO of the NE Patriots.  I have accepted a position as head of the NFLPA.  See you in court commissioner!
 

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I wonder if we underestimated Kraft. He may have been playing the long game the whole time. Building a coalition of the willing, meeting with owners one on one, etc... The owners meeting with 31 ill informed owners was probably not the right place to make a fight. Maybe the field has shifted some now.
Or nothing changed and Bob is just doing what is right.
 

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ivanvamp said:
Just re-read Brady's Facebook post.  Really, other players ought to be championing this guy, since this fight is no longer about deflated footballs, but rather the power of the commissioner vs. the rights of the players.
 
They should be banding together in solidarity support of Brady.
Exactly. That's all this was ever about brother. Management v labor.
 

ivanvamp

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shoosh77 said:
When Brady becomes the POTUS, can Bill be the Press Secretary?
 
Hahaha.  I'd pay actual money to watch BB handle a press conference at the White House.
 

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I know the spotlight for the moment belongs to Kraft (as it should), but, my God, I love Bill Belichick--"It's already been addressed. . .You heard what Robert just said. Maybe you should go back and look at your notes. It's already been addressed."
 

Ed Hillel

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I'm almost glad Goodell did what he did yesterday, because being mad and bitter at Kraft always made me feel a bit uncomfortable.
 

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Q: Can you elaborate?
A: No
Q: Why not?
A: it's already been addressed
Q: But we want to know
A: Go check your notes. 
 
Love it.
 

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Stu Nahan said:
These reporters never learn.
 
I think there are some non-regulars there. They'll learn in the next few minutes.
 

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Kraft playing the long game alright.  It goes from his posterior and tickles his tonsils.  At least he apologized.
 
This is precisely what I expected from BB.  Marvelous.
 

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I wonder if we underestimated Kraft. He may have been playing the long game the whole time. Building a coalition of the willing, meeting with owners one on one, etc... The owners meeting with 31 ill informed owners was probably not the right place to make a fight. Maybe the field has shifted some now.
Or nothing changed and Bob is just doing what is right.
Aw gee ya think?
 
That everyone was up in arms about Kraft a few months ago was ridiculous.
 
That was a FANTASTIC statement by Kraft.  Loved every word of it.
 

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rodderick said:
What I find amazing about this fact being used against Brady is that if he were in constant contact with Jastremski, but then the level of communication between them went down after the investigation started, that too would have been interpreted by Goodell as a sign of guilt. Which means the only way this wouldn't be used against Brady is if he had mantained the exact same number of interactions with Jastremski before and after the fact, which would be illogical given the circumstances.
 
Wrong. Because if he was in communication with JJ constantly it would prove that there was a deflation scheme for a longer period of time!
 

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Belichick going full-on Belichick on these blood-thirsty journalists. This is fucking amazing.

Bob Kraft just went balls-out, don't you dare fuck with my QB or Coach, I'm putting my franchise into the middle of the pot and going ALL-IN with you lying, cheating, muther-fuckers.

Goodell, you douchebag, it is GO time.
 

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Always love Belichick press conferences when you know this is coming. 
 
Also, NFL did a great job distracting from the Brady, et al trying to dig into the investigation by putting the phone front and center.
 
"Sorry, that's privleged." - Wells
 
I'm sure that's something they will try to hit on the impartiality front going forward.
 

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Bongorific said:
Exactly. That's all this was ever about brother. Management v labor.
Easy there, Eugene Debs.  :)
 
I did like Kraft's statement.  But also think he and Goodell are buddy-buddy again by the end of the 2015 season.
 

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Mooch said:
If the courts decide in favor of the NFL, what precedent does it set going forward for employee rights when an employer asks for private communications in a workplace dispute?
 
The court won't be ruling on that from what I understand. The NFLPA is arguing the process was unfair. The court ruling won't address whether Brady had to turn over the phone.
 
 

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Killing me that I'm on the train missing this. And on that going to be killing my first hour back in the office this afternoon watching this. Can't wait.
 

RG33

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I love how the 5 people sitting around a desk at ESPN just referred to the "erroneous leaked PSI information" as if they have never really heard of it before.
 

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ivanvamp said:
Just re-read Brady's Facebook post.  Really, other players ought to be championing this guy, since this fight is no longer about deflated footballs, but rather the power of the commissioner vs. the rights of the players.
 
They should be banding together in solidarity support of Brady.
 
Check out Torrey Smith's twitter. First it was "Who says cheaters never win?" and then "Of course the union should fight for him. Doesn't mean he didn't cheat".
 
 

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PseuFighter said:
Killing me that I'm on the train missing this. And on that going to be killing my first hour back in the office this afternoon watching this. Can't wait.
I'm stuck too.   Where can I watch the whole thing?
 

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HomeBrew1901 said:
Aw gee ya think?
 
That everyone was up in arms about Kraft a few months ago was ridiculous.
 
That was a FANTASTIC statement by Kraft.  Loved every word of it.
 
Your opinion will change at some point between 2 and 6 when Felger rips it apart.  It's what you do.  
 

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Bleedred said:
Forgive my cynicism, but in 6 months (or sooner) you'll see Bob and Roger riding segways somewhere together and singing Carly Rae Jepsen songs.
Yup. Thinking this rebuttal will change the course of the Goodell era is like looking at the Coyote's latest contraption and concluding that this time the Road Runner is really in trouble.
 

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A question for the lawyers...
 
If what nighthob wrote is true, can this be brought up in the court case. 

For example, get Wells/Goodell up on the stand.  First ask him about his role as an independent investigator or arbiter.  Ask him to read the rule.  Ask him to clarify who the rule applies to (teams and team personnel vs. players).  Point out that the rule in question did not apply to Brady.  Ask him to read the section about how the Colts handled the balls.  Ask if the conduct of the Colts was in violation of the rule.  Ask why there was no penalty or investigation against the Colts (team or personnel) why a very large penalty was applied against Brady (a player)  Use this line of debate to suggest a missing (edit) level of impartiality between Goodell, the NFL, Wells and the Colts.  Ask for all communications between these three parties (the NFL (including Goodell), the Colts and the Wells investigators). 
 
Is this still just a wet dream for me?
At the beginning of the Wells report there's a footnote documenting the allowable procedures for football preparation and practices that violate the rule. One of the things that's specifically disallowed according to the NFL's Independent LOLvestigator is using the balls in practice to break them in. Much later in the report, in a footnote documenting the Colts' procedures is the information that Luck insists on using the Colts' balls in practice sessions because he prefers the feel of a football after it's been handled by sweaty hands. Really.

And that should sum up everything we need to know about NFL QBs, they're prissy and have irrational preferences that probably have no bearing on actual performance. And the NFL is dealing with the Colts' violation in an appropriate matter because there's no advantage here. Unfortunately we happened to be fans of the team everyone loves to hate, headed by a player that once crossed Goodell. So we get a witch hunt.
 

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Not only Goodell didn't give a shit about Kraft laying down arms, he also used the fact that the Patriots didn't fight the fines imposed on them as some twisted admission of guilt. The man is a rat.
 

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I'm sure Pats.com will have it up later
I, first and foremost, need to apologize to our fans, because I truly believe what I did in May, given the actual evidence of the situation and the leagues history on such matters, would make it much easier for the league to exonerate Tom Brady. Unfortunately I was wrong.


Kraft said the leagues handling of the entire situation has been disconcerting, and that he still does not understand how an erroneous ESPN report was never corrected by the NFL.

[The Chris Mortensen report] was never corrected by those who had the correct information. For four months, that report cast aspersions and shaped public opinion, Kraft said, noting that Goodells announcement Wednesday had a similar, erroneous headline. This headline was designed to capture headlines across the country and obscure evidence regarding the tampering with air pressure of footballs. It intentionally applied nefarious behavior and ignored Bradys comments.

Tom Brady is a person of great integrity, and is a great ambassador of the game both on and off the field. yet for reasons that I cannot comprehend, there are those in the league office who are more determined to prove that they were right rather than admit any culpability of their own or take any responsibility of their own.

Kraft said the entire issue has never been about whats fair and just.

I tried to do what I though was right. I chose not to take legal action. I wanted to return the focus to football, Kraft said of his dropping of the fight of the team penalties. I have been negotiating agreements on a global basis my entire life. I know there are times when you have to give up important points of principal to achieve a greater good. I acted in good faith and was optimistic that by taking the actions I took, the league would have what they wanted. I was willing to accept the harshest penalty in the history of the NFL for an alleged ball violation because I believed it would help exonerate Tom.

Kraft said a common saying of his is that sometimes you have to get the lawyers out of the room.

Now the league has taken the matter to court, Kraft said, which is a tactic that only a lawyer would recommend.

Once again, I want to apologize to fans of the New England Patriots and Tom Brady. I was wrong to put my faith in the league.

Kraft said the lengths the league is going to disparage Brady and his reputation are reprehensible.

Personally, Kraft said, this is very sad and disappointing to me.
 

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Kraft's statement is nice but means nothing really. That ship sailed when the organization didn't push the NFL. It's a union vs league issue now - Kraft I'd think has his hands tied as an owner to do much of anything to repeal the punishments. 
 

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An owner siding with the NFLPA...Uh oh Roger

ESPN round table has been having a field day with if only Tom admitted this etc...

Ugh
 

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Maybe I'm just a cynic (and due to work have not seen the press conference today), but to me Kraft continues to appear as a mealy-mouthed fence straddler. I realize he's in an awfully difficult predicament here, but the lines are clearly drawn out. You're either with the NFL and are out to fuck over Brady and the Pats, or you support the Pats. The rhetoric blasting Goodell today while tongue bathing him a few months ago is puzzling.
 
I get that he would have no chance of winning a lawsuit against the NFL on the draft picks and fine. But his boot licking, subservient speech a few months ago placating Goodell and the other owners won't soon be forgotten, no matter what rhetoric he lobs in future press conferences. Did this guy really think Goodell would reduce Brady's suspension?
 
Kraft is the the Patriots most powerful and only representative to counter the witch hunt. To me, he's been 2-3 steps behind since day 1.
 

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GBrushTWood said:
Maybe I'm just a cynic (and due to work have not seen the press conference today), but to me Kraft continues to appear as a mealy-mouthed fence straddler. I realize he's in an awfully difficult predicament here, but the lines are clearly drawn out. You're either with the NFL and are out to fuck over Brady and the Pats, or you support the Pats. The rhetoric blasting Goodell today while tongue bathing him a few months ago is puzzling.
Actually watch the entire press conference and then comment. He explained in detail why he did what he did and that it was obviously a mistake to handle it as he did in May. 
 

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canderson said:
Kraft's statement is nice but means nothing really. That ship sailed when the organization didn't push the NFL. It's a union vs league issue now - Kraft I'd think has his hands tied as an owner to do much of anything to repeal the punishments. 
 
Does the NFL's plan to record halftime measurements this year change that calculus now?  Kraft can now get on a soapbox about waiting to see more data.  It is a sensible and reasonable approach that prominent voices in the media (King and Florio) has also pushed for.  Kraft pushing for a review of the end of the season data in relation to what happened in the AFC Champ game is hard to argue against.
 
Now if the NFL is going to be reasonable and not douchy about how they collect that data is a different argument all together.