snowmanny said:
No. The bladder is essentially impermeable, otherwise you'd have an ongoing leak. And whatever they're rubbing on is going on the cover, which isn't related to gas containment.
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No. The bladder is essentially impermeable, otherwise you'd have an ongoing leak. And whatever they're rubbing on is going on the cover, which isn't related to gas containment.
Was it Matt Hasselback or the other idiot Hasselback that doesn't think Brady is a top five QB?Tito's Pullover said:
Right. What I heard physics professors say was that the wetness of the surface of the ball can have an effect on the cooling of the ball. So if you rub a water-resistant substance on the ball it will cool less quickly than a ball that is rubbed with something more permeable that retains the water.SumnerH said:
SoxinSeattle said:
I think you are thinking of Chris Simms:
http://www.nbcsports.com/football/nfl/chris-simms-tom-brady-not-top-five-quarterback
Meh. It's not on for another few hours here. I'm not a Blake Shelton fan nor much of a fan of the current cast save a few; Cecily Strong and Kate McKinnon right off the top of my head. How funny can they make it with "Ballghazi"? So, I'll be sleeping or hopefully having sex.soxhop411 said:
This guy needs to be put on top of the media section of the White List, pronto. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW8mawNdfT8&feature=youtu.be
In my experience it's infuriating and it drives you bonkers but only when you choose to engage in their conversation. It's very hard not to sometimes but then you realize that they are simply operating with a completely different intention than you are. Reporters want a story. And they want attention for themselves. And often they want to bring you down if they can. None of those things have anything to do with what Brady wants. I would guess that he gets pissed off sometimes and bellyaches about these assholes but for the most part he's more interested in winning football games and hanging with his wife. Reporters bum me out sometimes and then I meet them and im like, what the fuck do I care what this fat person thinks of me or my work or the people I care about?drleather2001 said:
AardsmaToZupcic said:
Not on the West Coast yet. It's a shame they didn't have enough time to incorporate Bill Belichick, Science Guy.
Just watched the presser. I don't even smoke, and I could go for a Marlborough Red right now. Maybe even a big fat Monte Cristo. What a boss.
Remember that report awhile back that they measured the balls twice -- at 2.5 hours and again shortly before kickoff? Wouldn't that put a dent in an explanation that preparing the balls affected psi? Did that come from anyone reliable?
Doesn't he know that common sense has no place in the media? I hope he doesn't include that clip in his application to ESPN.jacklamabe65 said:
DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
Yes, I remember that, and I'm positive that was info lost in translation during the reporting of another report. The "short time" was 5 minutes before game time, which also happens to be the time reported for handoff of the balls from the refs to the ball boys.
Wait, so I think you're saying someone confused a second measurement with the handoff to the equipment guy? That seems plausible, because I would think the refs are busy five minutes before the game (unless we're back to the "sting" theory).djbayko said:
LuckyBen said:
Yes, Report A (where balls were transferred to ball boys at t-5 minutes) morphed into Report B (where balls were re-tested at t-5 minutes) over the course of a couple hours.
Report B just makes no sense whatsoever. Not only are the refs busy, but why would the balls need to be tested again if they are in the position of the refs?
RIFan said:
Whoever posted that on YouTube didn't even tell us who and what station that is from.
SumnerH said:
Also, the rubbing or other conditioning could open more "pores" between the leather and the bladder. More water getting through to the bladder could increase the rate of cooling, yes?
People mock what they don't understand, what they don't bother to try to understand and what puts them on the defensive.
Be prepared for a steady flow of doubling-down from those in the media who have been convicting the Patriots without evidence thus far
Be prepared for a steady flow of doubling-down from those in the media who have been convicting the Patriots without evidence thus far
E5 Yaz said:
I am prepared and it's a shame. The most relevant, the ONLY relevant part of this story is the fallibility of the media and the effect it has on the gullible court of public opinion. Without the mea cuplas we are assuredly doomed to learn nothing from this at all.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/25/belichicks-explanation-on-inflation-raises-new-questions/E5 Yaz said:
Florio, right on cue.
Hoya81 said:
If he hadn't cited Canty, it wouldn't have been so awful. Of course, BB is not allowed by Florio to know more today than he did days ago about the ball prep.
Ed Hillel said:
I won't read it again, so maybe you're right. Perhaps the best policy in the future for the Pats is to send the ball to the officials completely deflated and let them deal with the balls. Florio would still find that shady.
Well then the problem becomes what if the refs don't even look at them and the Pats end up with 12 totally deflated balls?Harry Hooper said:
LogansDad said:
I know you're kidding. But it does spur the thought: Is it possible that next week's 'Superballs' will be the most examined pieces of sporting equipment in history?
Jack Dempsey's gloves after knocking out Jess Willard got some attention, too, but you're probably right.
shepard50 said:
It will be a great marketing opportunity. Pinkerton Security, wearing Oscar de La Renta uniforms, will drive the balls onto the field, don the new Segway roller skates, and bring the Samsonite locked bags of Wilson balls to the officials.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/03/sports/football/03football.html
Interesting that the wax the QB's insist on scrubbing off the balls is actually a resin which when moistened and scrubbed a little turns tacky like a post-it note--but the QB's don't believe Wilson, or something. So they scrub them to death.
Considering how meticulous they are, it seems clear the balls are prepared for the QB's well before game day. Then they are chosen and set aside. No way this is happening two hours before game time.
The Patriots pre-game scrubbing is, I suspect, a frictional heating exercise which is what the investigation would discover--so Bill got out ahead of that discovery today by explaining it as simply an extension of routine ball prep.
Interesting that the wax the QB's insist on scrubbing off the balls is actually a resin which when moistened and scrubbed a little turns tacky like a post-it note--but the QB's don't believe Wilson, or something. So they scrub them to death.
Considering how meticulous they are, it seems clear the balls are prepared for the QB's well before game day. Then they are chosen and set aside. No way this is happening two hours before game time.
The Patriots pre-game scrubbing is, I suspect, a frictional heating exercise which is what the investigation would discover--so Bill got out ahead of that discovery today by explaining it as simply an extension of routine ball prep.
BTW .., Of the four or five fan msg boards for other teams I've checked out this week, been most impressed by Green Bay. Even when they don't necessarily buy the Pats' story, they show greater ability to keep things in perspective, on average, than other fanbases.
riboflav said:
I've made similar requests in the past, but there's a segment of the board that seems to need to bash these clowns and to share their tripe so that others can pile on.
I just tend to not feed the click-counter of anyone who is presented as being a media troll.
Why does it have to be nefarious? Why can't it simply be to scuff the surface on the day of the game...maybe raise the tackiness just a bit.lambeau said:
There's no evidence that the Pats have heated or done anything to the balls to try and gain an advantage... in fact it's been shown that underinflation does the opposite... so why would the Pats go through a whole routine so the balls start out in the range and end up outside of it? Especially when it's been shown that the refs don't seem to check the balls all that closely?
I think almost all of this can be explained by the Pats inflating to the minimum and there being cold weather.
Florio is the same guy who is convinced that this was a sting by the nfl, but has apparently not realized that this being a "sting" would've meant the nfl allowed the Pats a "competitive advantage" for the first half of the afcc. He clearly has a beef with the Pats and is not very bright.
Punchado said:
This is exactly what I'm taking from all of this. It's beyond people hating the Patriots. It's beyond sports. Our media and journalistic standards are at untenable levels. News is now just entertainment, and it reports what people want to hear. Facts and reality have no place.
I don't know what can or should be done about it, but it makes me sad.
lars10 said:
If the Pats inflate to the minimum, and the refs do gauge it and approve it, they might release a couple of tenths {?} right there. So before it leaves the locker room it's already a tad below spec.
lars10 said:
These people don't use much of their brain. If the objective was truly to heat the contents of the ball, there are several much easier / practical ways than using friction.
Andrew said:
Stop watching ESPN programming that is non-game related.
Stop watching anything in the "Embrace Debate" concept.
Stop listening to sports talk radio hosts you know are inflammatory.
Don't link to anything like that here.
Don't read what others link to as examples of shitty journalism.
In short, retrain yourself to follow sports. You'll only drive yourself insane by continuing to watch and expecting a different result.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CxsXFX3tDpg
Edit: haven't seen this yet. Just going to leave it here. They tested a bunch of balls with a 25 degree drop (75-50) plus cool water and found an average of 1.8 psi drop. Claim that water in the leather can expand the balls and further reduce the pressure.
Edit: haven't seen this yet. Just going to leave it here. They tested a bunch of balls with a 25 degree drop (75-50) plus cool water and found an average of 1.8 psi drop. Claim that water in the leather can expand the balls and further reduce the pressure.
Love it.
The Pats should talk to Ozzy this week and come out as a team while he blasts over the stadium PA: "I'M GOING OFF THE RAILS ON BALLGHAZI TRAIN!!!"
Long term the wetted leather might shrink after it dries, but when it first gets wet I think it would expand (a bit like your fingers getting wrinkly in the pool).
