What do you mean by the last sentence, the quiet, unfriendly Joe D., or the Mister Coffee Joe D?
Derek Jeter: Countdown to Retirement
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The 'announce me as the Greatest Living Ballplayer, kiss my rings and leave me alone, peons' Joe D.
OK, that one. Another face he had that made him a hero with American males was the Marilyn Monroe husband one.
Couldn't people who misrepresent his importance on the other end also make the same statement? I recognize disliking a great player on your rivals' team as valid (and participate in this tradition as well,) but I think sometimes those turned off by the hagiography can go too far in reciprocity.
The polite smiles and golf claps from RS nation on the event of Jeter's 3000th hit indicate this is not currently the case.
Yup, "golf clap" and a Sox game wasn't interrupted. Very nice for all, thanks.
Frankly, a guy of his stature and wealth, living in Manhattan, never exposed for anything truly heinous or undignified. Impressive.
Frankly, a guy of his stature and wealth, living in Manhattan, never exposed for anything truly heinous or undignified. Impressive.
That's certainly true. I agree with the general consensus - not a whiner, or bragger or trash talker, or maker of excuses or drama queen. My problem with him - other than the obvious, his team, has been him being overhyped and overestimated, particularly as his skills have declined but the hype and awards have not. On the other hand, it doesn't seem like he sought it out, and I have been at many of the games where he came through in the clutch with a big hit or difficult play - including that late July evening 7 years ago when he dove into the stands while Nomar sat. I was pissed. I had to give him my grudging respect. Had to do so again today, when work prevented me from making it up to Boston for the Bash, so went to Yankee Stadium for a few hours instead. I have to admit, when he made 3,000 on a homer, and went 5 for 5 (missing the cycle by a triple), I had to stand and tip my cap . . . and hope we drill him in the ass next time we meet the Yanks.
Jeter was wearing a "Jeter 3000k hits" hat and t-shirt with his own picture on it at the press conference with the guy who caught the home run. I reserve my right to pass judgement.
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As was Posada and Rivera and (I think) Girardi...
The Yankees are trying to make (more) money. I wouldn't be surprised if he was asked to wear it.
EDIT: AND Christian Lopez (the guy who caught the ball)...
Th@nks @ gre@t de@l. I forgot @bout the cl@use in the CB@ th@t s@id the owners h@d the right to tell pl@yers wh@t to we@r in post-g@me press conferences.
Jon Heyman Tweets:
"at $61 mil for 4 yrs, i am starting to feel like jeter is underpaid"
......yep
"at $61 mil for 4 yrs, i am starting to feel like jeter is underpaid"
......yep
Jeter had himself quite a day. HR for 3000, clutch hits/game winner, 5-5 and a SB. Good day for Jeter fans.
Jeter like the rest of the Yankees obviously is a sun worshipper. Going into todays game he had a 829 OPS during the day, which went up a lot today, and 581 in the night.
Yankees now 25-5 in the day, and 27-30 at night.
Jeter like the rest of the Yankees obviously is a sun worshipper. Going into todays game he had a 829 OPS during the day, which went up a lot today, and 581 in the night.
Yankees now 25-5 in the day, and 27-30 at night.
Another 'award winning' Yankee fan talking about Jeter:
"The one thing I remembered about Jeter was that defensive play he made in a game 6, I don't remember the year. But he chased down a ball that was overthrown by the outfielder and flipped it to the Cather for a very important out. I mean.... How do you measure "heart"? How do you measure a Game Changer?"
Outside of Michael Jordan, I can't think of one player that non fans pretend to care about/know about/talk about despite their lack of interest in sports. It's unreal. Had Jeter been a Padre nobody would talk about him. Put him on 14+ winning Yankee teams and he's Wayne Gretzky and Michael Jordan in one. It's insanity.
"The one thing I remembered about Jeter was that defensive play he made in a game 6, I don't remember the year. But he chased down a ball that was overthrown by the outfielder and flipped it to the Cather for a very important out. I mean.... How do you measure "heart"? How do you measure a Game Changer?"
Outside of Michael Jordan, I can't think of one player that non fans pretend to care about/know about/talk about despite their lack of interest in sports. It's unreal. Had Jeter been a Padre nobody would talk about him. Put him on 14+ winning Yankee teams and he's Wayne Gretzky and Michael Jordan in one. It's insanity.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/New-York-Yankees-Derek-Jeter-will-miss-All-Star-Game-because-of-emotional-and-physical-exhaustion-071111
Wow, give me a break.
Our thoughts and prayers go out to Derek and his family. I had a very close friend who lost his life to overexposure and unnecessary praise, so this hits close to home for me. Stay strong captain.
You'd all be physically and emotionally exhausted too if you had to explain to your girlfriend that you boned Leighton Meester because you couldn't tell the difference.
This is funny.
On one hand Jeter's duty is to be as ready to play as possible for NY, but on the other hand
My guess is Jeter was a little embarrassed about getting voted in by the fans. He knows Cabrera and Andrus deserve the chance. And he knows he's 37 and needs a break. This is how Jeter does things. He says nothing. We can only judge him by his actions. He pulled out of the all-star game. The kids get to play. And I doubt we will ever see Jeter in an all-star game again.This is funny.
On one hand Jeter's duty is to be as ready to play as possible for NY, but on the other hand
Jeter should be there.
He was voted in by the fans and he should've at least showed up. If he doesn't want to play, whatever, but at least go to the festivities and get introduced, etc.
He was voted in by the fans and he should've at least showed up. If he doesn't want to play, whatever, but at least go to the festivities and get introduced, etc.
I think most non-Yankee fans are sick of Jeter and it allows the AL to field a stronger team. Most of the fans who voted for him are Yankee fans anyways and they should have had their fill this week. Good lord, if he went it would be Jeter this, Jeter that, ad nauseum. Why would anyone wish this?.
The reason I'm sick of him is all the bullshit about how he only cares about winning and always puts the team ahead of his ego. The fact that he played shortstop in 2004 exposes that as a false marketing slogan with little relationship to reality, and many have discussed the counterexamples from this year.
But I'll give him credit: by pulling out of the All-Star Game he's actually putting the team and winning ahead of his ego. So congrats to him on being an honest man for once in his career.
Fair enough. I just think that he should go, not saying he has to play. I buy into the he "owes it to the game" angle. You just got your 3,000th hit and are unlikely to go to another all-star game, so you should show up and let the fans salute you.
Do all the lame interviews, get introduced, and call it good.
Is that so hard?
If Jeter went to the all star game, all the comments would be about how he didn't deserve to go and there would be non stop complaining about how the media bows to him with him getting tons of attention for the 3000 hits. Either way, there would be something to complain about.
What the fuck?
Explain, then, why he doesn't give his '10 Gold Glove to Andrus or Aybar? This post is a portable toilet full of shit.
I am judging him by the whole of his actions, and either you're totally wrong, or he is a paragon of self-awareness and evaluation that has a massive blind spot when it comes to defense. What else could explain his acceptance of his 889 undeserved Gold Gloves? Stop fucking putting this guy on a pedestal, Yankees fans. And, yes, I am lumping you all together. You are all infected. You are legion.
Good grief. He's one of the great Yankee players ever. Even the most insanely jealous Red Sox fan, if he truly understood baseball, could appreciate the anchor that Jeter has been to his franchise for 16 years. One guy playing shortstop for 16 seasons? How often does that happen to any franchise?
Sure, he has been in decline for the past two seasons. Yes, his range afield has always been less than average. Yankee fans know that. Was he supposed to give the Gold Gloves back because the voting system is flawed?
If Nomar had played for 16 years in Boston and kept his offensive skills together for 14 of them, Red Sox fans would forgive his defensive shortcomings, too. Very few baseball heroes stand the test of time. The Yankees go forward with a diminished Jeter at shortstop. It's the price some franchises pay for failing to release or trade or not sign an aging player.
Sure, he has been in decline for the past two seasons. Yes, his range afield has always been less than average. Yankee fans know that. Was he supposed to give the Gold Gloves back because the voting system is flawed?
If Nomar had played for 16 years in Boston and kept his offensive skills together for 14 of them, Red Sox fans would forgive his defensive shortcomings, too. Very few baseball heroes stand the test of time. The Yankees go forward with a diminished Jeter at shortstop. It's the price some franchises pay for failing to release or trade or not sign an aging player.
You do recognize that these two posts have nothing to do with each other, right?
Terry, you suggest that you know from Derek's actions why he's not playing tomorrow night because that's the Jeter Way or something. Undoubtedly, if a Sox fan posted something like that about a Sox player on the main board, he'd get taken to task, too.
Possible reasons for Jeter's decision include what you suggested, that he's coming off injury and is really just tired out from all the focus on his 3000th hit, that he doesn't actually give a shit about an exhibition game that he's played in many times before and that is being widely skipped by his peers, that he is being guilted into not using up bullets in such a game by Yankee management or teammates, that he's embarassed about being selected for a game that he doesn't belong in and a combination of the above or something else I haven't mentioned.
In short, assigning a mystical and well reflecting reason for a player's actions will get you called out on this site every time. It usually happens quicker with Captain Intangibles, but that kind of reaction isn't nearly limited to Yankees.
Possible reasons for Jeter's decision include what you suggested, that he's coming off injury and is really just tired out from all the focus on his 3000th hit, that he doesn't actually give a shit about an exhibition game that he's played in many times before and that is being widely skipped by his peers, that he is being guilted into not using up bullets in such a game by Yankee management or teammates, that he's embarassed about being selected for a game that he doesn't belong in and a combination of the above or something else I haven't mentioned.
In short, assigning a mystical and well reflecting reason for a player's actions will get you called out on this site every time. It usually happens quicker with Captain Intangibles, but that kind of reaction isn't nearly limited to Yankees.
This post is not even slightly responsive to the issue I discussed.
Aichtal: When I call you 'legion' it is sort of meant as a joke. I'm not sure how much more clear I could have made it. Terry's post was rife with Jeter mythologizing, and it was called out as such.
EDIT - Conflationconflationconflation.
What the hell?
I'm pretty sure that Jeter never voted for himself for the Gold Glove. And what exactly would be the process for giving back his somewhere between 10 and 889 undeserved Gold Gloves anyway?
I certainly don't put Jeter on a pedestal. Like most others around this place I've allowed myself to get sucked into the whole Jeter is killing the Yankees and he must go (from my perspective as a Yankee fan) or thank God the Yankees are saddled with him for the next several years (everyone else's perspective). But the fact is he has been a GREAT player for a long time. Overhyped? Sure I guess so. We all find it nauseating at times. It's a by product of being successful and playing in New York I suppose. But is he one of the best players YOU have ever seen? Absolutely. (and yes I'm lumping all of YOU together). Look I can't wait for him to go. But I'm frankly a little ashamed of myself for trying to rush him out the door.
I'm not the only one trying to read things into Jeter's actions. Look at the thread about the young man who caught the 3,000th hit. There's a picture of Jeter standing with the kid and a variety of insane posts talking about the disdain Jeter has for the kid. What is the evidence? A picture.
I think this board makes itself look silly with its hatred and jealousy of Jeter. It's below the dignity and intelligence of Red Sox fans to continually belittle Jeter. That's my point.
In short, Jeter is an asshole for skipping the All-Star game, and he would be an asshole for attending and accepting all the plaudits that Bud Selig and his marketing geniuses want to extract from the 3,000-hit achievement. Jeter is screwed either way. Maybe that's why he didn't come. Add that to your list.
BTW, Theo, I appreciate your point of view and thanks for the post.
Blah blah blah. This was a nice try and all, but you said something dumb. Maybe its just me but I'd own up to it. "Below the dignity" of Red Sox fans. Give me a fucking break.
My guess is that this will make me laugh again the next time I read it, like the first three or four times.
Hey now. I was the one who wanted to offer him 2/14 this offseason and if he didn't like it, bye.
I doubt there has ever been a professional athlete as simultaneously overrated and underrated as Jeter, it's pretty fascinating. Constantly overrated at the micro level, he will still end up being one of the top 3-5 shortstops of all time.
I think you're missing the actual reaction to Jeter on this site (and I include some well known Yankee fans here in that, as well).
Sure, there are some Sox fans who hate him because they hate all things Yankees and he's been the author of much Red Sox pain and a big contributor to Yankee success over the years.
I think, though, that most fans don't actually hate Jeter, in and of himself. Some respect him. Some begrudgingly respect him. And my take is that a huge percentage find the level of credit he gets from the media and even other players to be so over the top as to be nauseating.
For me, it's just tiresome to see him continually get awards he doesn't deserve and, in light of his current performance level, to hear countless talking heads talk breathlessly and in hushed tones about him.
I wont watch much of the All Star Game. Peter Frampton at the Westmount wins over that tonight. But I will DVR the game, skip through to parts that look most interesting and likely end up spending about 30-45 minutes with it. But whatever I do watch will be much more bearable because Jeter wont be on the field, and that reflects what I'm talking about here and not hate or jealousy.
(Though Minka Kelly is another matter).
This isn't unique to Jeter, though, or even baseball. Players can be overrated and still be one of the greatest of all time.
I was just about to post this. What will change in 2012 that will make thousands and thousands of Yankee fans not vote for Jeter 25 times each? If his numbers didn't stop them this year they won't stop them next year.
Ooh, good call, quite possibly. Overrated, certainly. Underrated, it's hard to deny the longevity and what he did as a 40 year old QB (!!!) in Minnesota. But is he actually a top 10 alltime NFL QB?
If you think undeserved Jeter adoration is strictly a Yankee fan phenomena, I would suspect you are quite wrong. As sad as it may be, if Yankee fans couldn't even vote, I suspect Jeter would start at short. The national press is at least as reverential to Jeter as YES, and shockingly, maybe more so.
Casual fans shuffle around this country like zombies, muttering 'he plays the game the right way.'
Yes. He is a douchebag, but he is a legitimate all-time great
His counting stats are overwhelming. In that sense he's like Nolan Ryan - very unique player with some ungodly records/streaks that won't be broken (in his case, the consecutive games played).
Yeah, Nolan Ryan is another good example of the simultaneously overrated/underrated.
The NY factor with Jeter really pumps things up out of control, though, pretty much his whole career has been hyped like Favre's last few years.
The NY factor with Jeter really pumps things up out of control, though, pretty much his whole career has been hyped like Favre's last few years.
But somehow, he's not too embarrassed to accept his 2010 Gold Glove? Or his 2009 Hank Aaron Award (when he wasn't even the best hitter on his own team - maybe 3rd or 4th)?
There have been many MANY players who have been given awards they plainly didn't deserve to win. How many of them have ever given it back afterwards? Why are we holding Jeter to an unprecedented standard?
Im not sure what Peyton's health is this year (there are some questions) but he is on pace to smash through Favre's record. Consecutive games played is a such a stupid stat, I think it shows more about selfishness than anything Jeter has done. how many times did Favre and Ripken take the field when their replacement would have been a much better choice (if only for just the one game due to injuries)?
Read the quoted post. I'm only trying to illustrate that the idea that he isn't playing because he's embarrassed and knows he doesn't deserve it is absurd. Gold Gloves and Hank Aaron Awards are more select and prestigious honors than All-Star selections, and he has never been too embarrassed to accept them. So the idea that he was too embarrassed to go to the All-Star Game, knowing he didn't deserve it, is a bit absurd.
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