Dennard Learns About the Law
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mpx42 said:
Could have been worse, but the extended probation really sucks. Adding an extra year that he can potentially screw up when he's clearly on his last chance isn't a good thing. Though looking at it from an optimistic point of view, it could be an opportunity to lock him in to a very team friendly deal.
Hey, he admitted his guilt already so I have no problem with him serving time. The judge was even was lenient on when he could serve that time.
I'm hopeful this hits home for Dennard once those bars slam and lock so that he stays clean for himself, family and then football career.
I'm hopeful this hits home for Dennard once those bars slam and lock so that he stays clean for himself, family and then football career.
Good news from a Pats fan's perspective. Hopefully he learns his lesson this time and stops being a dumbass.
By the way, the first two pages of this thread are pretty amusing to read in terms of people calling for him to get cut.
By the way, the first two pages of this thread are pretty amusing to read in terms of people calling for him to get cut.
Assuming Dennard's knee heals up before the playoffs, this is big. I'm not optimistic that Talib stays healthy for the rest of the season, so the ability to run Dennard and Logan Ryan out there minimizes the chance of seeing Arrington covering receivers outside the hash marks. *shudder*
It's hard to ignore Logan Ryan's play so far this year. When this year started, the idea of losing Dennard to the slammer conceivably really hurt this defense. Given Ryan's play so far, we shouldn't see as much of a drop off if Dennard decides to throw a few back during his next Nebraska visit.
It's hard to ignore Logan Ryan's play so far this year. When this year started, the idea of losing Dennard to the slammer conceivably really hurt this defense. Given Ryan's play so far, we shouldn't see as much of a drop off if Dennard decides to throw a few back during his next Nebraska visit.
How about never returning to the state of Nebraska after your jail time is over. That would be a good start.
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If he reports to jail March 31st for a 38-to-60-day stay, how does he avoid missing workouts that start on April 15th? Time machine?
I hope 100 hours of community service include playing shutdown CB level play for New England Patriots from now through the SuperBowl to the delight of the New England community.
Yes, that is a pretty good rendition of "bending over backwards", which is precisely what the judge did.
He's at a fork in his life path -- get stupid (again) or get rich.
ps I hope Kraft borrowed JJ's Dez Bryant crew to get his ass out of the state promptly after the hearing.
He's at a fork in his life path -- get stupid (again) or get rich.
ps I hope Kraft borrowed JJ's Dez Bryant crew to get his ass out of the state promptly after the hearing.
That's right. Not out of the woods yet.Zedia said:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/05/alfonzo-dennard-sentenced-to-30-more-days-in-jail-after-season/
Stitch01 said:
Why? He is a professional athlete. They do not always get away with everything (see Burress, Plaxico) but the odds were always significantly in his favor.
It was still silly to be calling for his release right after the incident. An incident with a cop and then a DUI while on probation aren't great, but there are dozens of NFL players with similar rap sheets. The only reason people were calling for his release was because of the timing as it related to the Hernandez story. The Pats wisely let the ferver die down and waited to see how things played out with his probation. Nobody seems to be calling for his release anymore.
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So we're about 3 hours from his scheduled court date for the DUI sentencing.
I haven't seen any word about the continuance being granted, so presume this is still on the docket.
http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/21338111/dennard-misses-practice-awaits-fate-neb
I haven't seen any word about the continuance being granted, so presume this is still on the docket.
http://www.weei.com/sports/boston/this-just-in/21338111/dennard-misses-practice-awaits-fate-neb
I don't know Nebraska law, but it seems like Dennard is on the hook for 6 years for his conviction for assaulting an officer (5 year felony) and resisting arrest (1 year misdemeanor).
Law:
http://nebraskalegislature.gov/laws/statutes.php?statute=28-931
Penalty:
http://nebraskalegislature.gov/laws/statutes.php?statute=28-105
If so that means his 30/60 day sentence is pretty light. He's likely still on the hook for the 6 years. Or, as a best case scenario, 5 if the misdemeanor jurisdiction has run and there's no special law for consecutive sentencing re: misdemeanors and felonies. Meaning if he violates again the judge can give him whatever she wants to. (As she could have this time around.)
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A quick primer on probation - most legislative schemes (all that I know of anyway) don't count your out of custody "probation time" as "time served." Instead, your probation runs for however many years it runs, and if you violate probation, you can get sentenced for up to the max of the original crime.
You can think of it as not being sentenced "for the violation" but having what would have been your hypothetical "original" sentence suspended while the court lets you prove you can behave well in society. Of course, you often don't get to see/know your hypothetical "original" sentence (this varies by state) and as a practical matter the severity of the probation violation often plays a role in the post violation sentence. So a guy who is doing well on a not serious crime who hits a bump in the road may get a slap on the wrist or be allowed to re-enroll in probation with slightly different terms. Whereas a guy who really screws up (new crime) and who committed a serious crime might get launched (serious prison time).
This leads to the (false) popular perception that the probation violation itself is what gets sentenced. (I.e., if the violation is a small one, you won't get a lot of jail time.) While that outcome is sometimes true in practice, many jurisdictions just let the judge launch you if they happen to feel like it that day. There is no requirement that the judge give you a warning or whatnot - any violation, no matter how "innocent" or minor, can result in a very severe sentence. There's also no requirement the original judge sentence you. You could end up in front of a new judge if the old one gets transferred, etc.
I've heard dozens of guys say something like:
Moral of the story - probation is serious.
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The DUI is now a "stand alone" crime. Most states have law saying that once your probation is modified you can't be violated for an earlier incident. So Dennard is likely "locked in" to his new probation scheme.
That said, he could get whatever he gets on the DUI, and, if found guilty, the judge on that case may or may not have the same flexibility as this judge.
Law:
http://nebraskalegislature.gov/laws/statutes.php?statute=28-931
Penalty:
http://nebraskalegislature.gov/laws/statutes.php?statute=28-105
If so that means his 30/60 day sentence is pretty light. He's likely still on the hook for the 6 years. Or, as a best case scenario, 5 if the misdemeanor jurisdiction has run and there's no special law for consecutive sentencing re: misdemeanors and felonies. Meaning if he violates again the judge can give him whatever she wants to. (As she could have this time around.)
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A quick primer on probation - most legislative schemes (all that I know of anyway) don't count your out of custody "probation time" as "time served." Instead, your probation runs for however many years it runs, and if you violate probation, you can get sentenced for up to the max of the original crime.
You can think of it as not being sentenced "for the violation" but having what would have been your hypothetical "original" sentence suspended while the court lets you prove you can behave well in society. Of course, you often don't get to see/know your hypothetical "original" sentence (this varies by state) and as a practical matter the severity of the probation violation often plays a role in the post violation sentence. So a guy who is doing well on a not serious crime who hits a bump in the road may get a slap on the wrist or be allowed to re-enroll in probation with slightly different terms. Whereas a guy who really screws up (new crime) and who committed a serious crime might get launched (serious prison time).
This leads to the (false) popular perception that the probation violation itself is what gets sentenced. (I.e., if the violation is a small one, you won't get a lot of jail time.) While that outcome is sometimes true in practice, many jurisdictions just let the judge launch you if they happen to feel like it that day. There is no requirement that the judge give you a warning or whatnot - any violation, no matter how "innocent" or minor, can result in a very severe sentence. There's also no requirement the original judge sentence you. You could end up in front of a new judge if the old one gets transferred, etc.
I've heard dozens of guys say something like:
- "I'm going to prison because I got caught with a little weed on me?" Yep.
- "But it's just a misdemeanor and I didn't hurt anyone." Too bad.
- "And the cop lied in the original case." The original case you plead guilty to? - the closed case.
- "Everyone knows that original case was BS." In which case you should have tried it then, instead of pleading guilty.
- "Can I open it back up?" No, the judge colloquied you for 10 minutes when you took probation.
- "Can I fight the probation violation?" Sure. (But in FL you don't get a jury, which means the judge decides whether or not the violation occurred, and the standard is that the prosecutor has to convince the judge there's a 51% chance a violation occurred. So since you have no witnesses, it'll be your word against the arresting officer's word, the probation officer's word, plus the scientific test. And just so you know, it's the judge you acted like an irate thug in front of when you were brought in here this morning. If you fight it and lose, I'm sure when he sentences you, he'll be in a good mood having sat through a 2 hour hearing.)
- "But it's not fair - are you saying he'll give me a longer sentence if I fight it?" I'm saying there's no way to prove to anyone that you got a longer sentence. And in my experience, the judge tends to sentence more harshly than the prosecutor's deal.
- "Your experience - what do you know? I could win!" Aren't (I/my colleague over there) the guy who said probation was a huge risk in the first place?
Moral of the story - probation is serious.
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The DUI is now a "stand alone" crime. Most states have law saying that once your probation is modified you can't be violated for an earlier incident. So Dennard is likely "locked in" to his new probation scheme.
That said, he could get whatever he gets on the DUI, and, if found guilty, the judge on that case may or may not have the same flexibility as this judge.
RedOctober3829 said:
I'll say. License suspended for 60 days, as well. He'll have to bum rides with Aqib.
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Sweet.
With Logan Ryan developing, Gregory improving this year, Harmon showing some signs, and Arrington strong when in the slot, the DBs are turning into a strength. Rebirth started with Dennard in the 7th and Talib for a 4th. Hard to believe that this unit was a hopeless mess a bit more than a year ago.
With Logan Ryan developing, Gregory improving this year, Harmon showing some signs, and Arrington strong when in the slot, the DBs are turning into a strength. Rebirth started with Dennard in the 7th and Talib for a 4th. Hard to believe that this unit was a hopeless mess a bit more than a year ago.
Dennard could still get suspended by the league, but even if he gets 2 games, it's not a big deal since he's banged up anyway. This couldn't have gone better for the Pats.
Dennard has reported to jail today.
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/10537279/alfonzo-dennard-new-england-patriots-reports-nebraska-jail
http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/10537279/alfonzo-dennard-new-england-patriots-reports-nebraska-jail
So he's still in jail, right?
Either he's getting special privileges, or someone has his Twitter password:
@FonzieDennard15 1h
Your mind is a powerful thing. When you fill it with positive thoughts, your life will start to change.
@FonzieDennard15 1h
People can change so fast.
Either he's getting special privileges, or someone has his Twitter password:
@FonzieDennard15 1h
Your mind is a powerful thing. When you fill it with positive thoughts, your life will start to change.
@FonzieDennard15 1h
People can change so fast.
It's a adult detention center -- read "jail" -- not a prison. Who knows what the rules are.
Hopefully, this will complete his apparent transformation. As I understand it, he is going to be deprived of his freedom for at least 35 days. That's 7 weeks, long enough to begin to imagine 7 years.
Hopefully, this will complete his apparent transformation. As I understand it, he is going to be deprived of his freedom for at least 35 days. That's 7 weeks, long enough to begin to imagine 7 years.
