Dennard Learns About the Law
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maufman said:
Seriously? #s 2 and 5 fit, and they won't acquit:
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My understanding of the Patriot Way is that it focused on players for whom football was extremely important and, as a result, put the time in before the game, practiced hard and in a focused manner. BB repeatedly talks about being ready in all respects for games, and his situational aspects of practice are a part of that. All the stuff about being better morally derives from Kraft's warblings and the media running with it. But I don't think it has anything to do with the core -- game readiness in all respects -- espoused by Belichick.
The Gaspers of the world will continue to point to Dennard, Hernandez and other greater or lesser problems and proclaim that the Pats are looking for short cuts and taking the easy way out. For my money, I hope they continue to draft guys in later rounds who may have slipped for injury or, yes, character reasons. I'd like to see them make much greater efforts to monitor and mentor such players, and certainly do a better job in those areas than they have thus far. But I hope they don't just abandon their approach of seeking value wherever they can get it because of these experiences.
The Gaspers of the world will continue to point to Dennard, Hernandez and other greater or lesser problems and proclaim that the Pats are looking for short cuts and taking the easy way out. For my money, I hope they continue to draft guys in later rounds who may have slipped for injury or, yes, character reasons. I'd like to see them make much greater efforts to monitor and mentor such players, and certainly do a better job in those areas than they have thus far. But I hope they don't just abandon their approach of seeking value wherever they can get it because of these experiences.
DrewDawg said:
Grainy videos of Brady, Gronk, and Ridley smoking blunts and throwing gang signs with Herb.
I just scanned this thread, but I'm surprised at the multiple people who said "he's not good enough" to put up with this kind of stuff. Dennard has like a $500k cap hit for the next 3 years and by my eyes and some advanced stats I saw posted he was at least an average CB. Even if he doesn't play this year you don't think it's worth keeping a guy around for two potential solid years at a dirt-cheap price?
The Pats don't care what anyone thinks of them so any media outrage is irrelevant. Clearly the Hernandez thing is different as you don't want a murderer on your team, but there is a ton of gray area around DUIs and it doesn't mean he's a bad person or much more of a risk going forward (Telling him to be careful when he's in Nebraska, or not bother going there, would help). Should he have been more careful / gotten a driver? Yeah, especially with his history. But we don't know what he blew and the reports aren't that damning. And given his contract, I do think he is "good enough" to keep around assuming the penalties aren't insane.
The Pats don't care what anyone thinks of them so any media outrage is irrelevant. Clearly the Hernandez thing is different as you don't want a murderer on your team, but there is a ton of gray area around DUIs and it doesn't mean he's a bad person or much more of a risk going forward (Telling him to be careful when he's in Nebraska, or not bother going there, would help). Should he have been more careful / gotten a driver? Yeah, especially with his history. But we don't know what he blew and the reports aren't that damning. And given his contract, I do think he is "good enough" to keep around assuming the penalties aren't insane.
Don't mean to single you out, Ed, but I'm hearing the "get the fuck out of there" point a ton, whether on this board, on the radio/television (see: Herm Edwards, for instance), or in blogs/other outlets.Ed Hillel said:
As I recall, the terms of his probation state that he is required to remain in Nebraska except when cleared for travel to Massachusetts for official business with the Patriots.
Given that, kind of hard to get out of there. He's not being stupid by staying in Nebraska. He's abiding by the terms of his probation.
That said, will certainly be interesting to hear the other side of the story. And if there's anything to the reports from Rapoport...
Ed Hillel said:
If I recall, he needed court's approval to travel. Perhaps not approaching the court with requests of unnecessary travel would serve him well when it came to getting his jail sentence dismissed.
According to tweets from his sentencing day. Court permission was required for travel other than between MA and NE. Since he was essentially "free" to travel to MA, i would assume he could just stayCorsi said:
Sorry, I meant to say he needed the court's permission. I guess it depends on how strict they wanted to be with him, but he does have a legitimate argument to be near Foxboro. And, if I was him, I would make every argument I could to get out of that area. It sucks, I'm sure much of his life is there, but I can't imagine even that is worth the risk of running into something like this (assuming it's true, which would not at all surprise me).Corsi said:
Fair point, but since the team has been off since mid-June and won't report until July 25, curious whether the terms would permit him to be in MA when there's no business in Foxboro.
Have seen references that suggest that he might be able to move freely between[KS] NE and MA, but others that suggest that that trips to MA would be tied to official team activities. If the latter (or if it was a grey area), I could understand staying in [KS] NE or perhaps even having counsel recommending sticking around.
Edit: Fixed brain fart. Thanks, kenneycb.
Have seen references that suggest that he might be able to move freely between
Edit: Fixed brain fart. Thanks, kenneycb.
Come on, I know they're all shaped like boxes in the midwest but KS is not the same as NE.
Ok, clearly need another cup of coffee!
If he read my second post and headed to KS, he'd be in jail now.
Ok, clearly need another cup of coffee!
If he read my second post and headed to KS, he'd be in jail now.
NFL.com now has a Gregg Rosenthal piece up which cites Rapoport's information. Nothing really new.
Alfonzo Dennard's side: He didn't fail sobriety tests
Alfonzo Dennard's side: He didn't fail sobriety tests
I used to work at a boarding school in a residence for boys 15-19. The legal drinking age in Quebec is 18, so it's easy for the younger students to get alcohol if they want (and rich kids like these are used to getting what they want). But of course, we had rules against drinking (bad for p.r. with rich foreign parents...), and held the threat of the breathalyzer above their heads when they'd go out to town or have a dance. Anyway- the machines require a deep breath and a forceful exhale, otherwise it reads low or shows an error. And anytime a kid stunk of alcohol this was the first tactic they'd try, and pretend they couldn't do better when we reminded (or showed) them how it needed to be done. I'm not saying there's no chance of funny business from the police, but Dennard is an athlete; I'm sure he has the lung capacity to blow hard enough if he wants. If he's not following instructions from the officer I can see how they'd take that as noncompliance. Hard to know without having been there, but sounds like a weak excuse from the Dennard camp.
Section15Box113 said:
RI Cop (or so he said, anyways) called into one of the sports talk shows this morning. If you don't blow hard enough into the breathalyzer, you don't get a low number; you get an error message. He said it wasn't an unusual for people to try to game the system that way, and that you get two shots before it's considered a de facto refusal.
So, "didn't fail" may or may not mean "blew a low number." As always, devil's in the details we don't really have yet.
Here's an odd thought, the police were trying to give an impaired Dennard some wiggle room. So, no blood test and no breathalyzer result recorded?
There are hundreds of reasons for him to be in Lincoln, many of which have been rehashed here by me.doc said:
dcmissle said:
The Patriots, like other NFL teams, like every other business in the world, suffer from the problem of limited exposure to an asset that they have to make a long-term personnel decision based on. Sometimes you get it right, sometimes you get it wrong.
What's telling is that this argument wouldn't have been made by ANYONE up until the MOMENT this guy shot someone. Up until the VERY MOMENT he did something that would take him off the field, the calculus isn't changed at all.
j44thor said:
Alternatively, it wouldn't be hard to fudge it as a cop, would it? Below the legal limit? Oh you're not blowing hard enough...FAIL! Or do those things actually record somewhere? Otherwise, how will anyone know if it said error or something below the limit?
If he was so intoxicated he couldn't blow into the device, he likely would have failed the FBS. Not sure if that happened or not, but the fact that the report doesn't say he failed lends some credence to Dennard's version.
The issue is that he might not have been trying hard enough, not that he was so drunk he was incapable of blowing hard enough. If it was the latter, then you'd expect him to fail the FBS; passing the FBS doesn't really speak to the former.Ed Hillel said:
The real issue is we're stuck in he said/he said regarding that and the blood test, right? Do they make someone sign to the effect that they are refusing a blood test? Maybe the cop car camera will catch some of this?P'tucket said:
It's been a while, but I used to defend these all the time.
Nebraska is an implied consent state which means having a license is implied consent to submit to a BA if suspected of drinking and driving.
When you are asked to blow, you have to blow a steady stream for a period of 10+ seconds in order for the machine to get a "sample". If the machine gets a sample, you get a score. If you don't blow hard enough, you don't get a sample. If there is no "sample", there is no score, and by statute it goes down as a "refusal to blow". It doesn't read some number lower than .08, it returns a code indicating there wasn't enough air to get a sample.
If Dennard's version is correct, that he blew a number lower than .08 twice and the cop kept having him blow saying he wasn't blowing hard enough trying to get the score up, the cop is fucked, Dennard wins, and the cop is likely reassigned or fired. Period. The End.
It is an unlikely scenario, but possible given the fact that he may have passed the field sobriety test and these cop's have a hard on for him.
Also this should all be on video. Field test on the car cam, attempts at blowing on the station cam.
Nebraska is an implied consent state which means having a license is implied consent to submit to a BA if suspected of drinking and driving.
When you are asked to blow, you have to blow a steady stream for a period of 10+ seconds in order for the machine to get a "sample". If the machine gets a sample, you get a score. If you don't blow hard enough, you don't get a sample. If there is no "sample", there is no score, and by statute it goes down as a "refusal to blow". It doesn't read some number lower than .08, it returns a code indicating there wasn't enough air to get a sample.
If Dennard's version is correct, that he blew a number lower than .08 twice and the cop kept having him blow saying he wasn't blowing hard enough trying to get the score up, the cop is fucked, Dennard wins, and the cop is likely reassigned or fired. Period. The End.
It is an unlikely scenario, but possible given the fact that he may have passed the field sobriety test and these cop's have a hard on for him.
Also this should all be on video. Field test on the car cam, attempts at blowing on the station cam.
PaulinMyrBch said:
Assuming that scenario were true (and most of us hope it is because it means he is innocent of this offense AND likely to play this year) --
The cops know this is all on video, right? Why would they let themselves get filmed committing misconduct without later erasing the video?
crystalline said:
From a standpoint of getting pulled and being suspected of DUI, there isn't anything wrong with him passing a field test and the cop transporting him anyway even if that's on video. A cop can smell alcohol or see other things a video can't such as red eyes, etc., so transporting someone who passes a field test happens all the time.
The part about having him blow 3 times is bizarre if true. Most jurisdictions have cameras in the BA room and a witness is required, so that would be problematic if the cop weren't following procedures. I'm thinking he blew three times and it didn't register, so its a refusal, and Dennard will get some doctor to sign a note saying he had walking pneumonia for a few weeks to give himself a way out.
One things seems clear from this, they didn't suspect drugs in this or else it would have been a blood test. Blood tests are a major pain in the ass for the cops, usually means they have to transport you to a hospital, but still if they think you're f'd up and not from drinking, they go that route.
PaulinMyrBch said:
What is more likely that a Cop negligently failed him despite evidence contrary to that or that somewhere along the line Dennard's story got changed from his attempt didn't register to his attempt wasn't recorded as above the legal limit therefore it was inferred that he blew a lower amount?
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doc said:
Because the rest of Nebraska is a far worse place for a black man who punched a cop to be.
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