Dellin Betances

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I figured he deserves his own thread at this point, here is Olney on him today:
 
"There might be better relievers than Dellin Betances right now, but there is nobody else like him. The Yankees' right-hander's fastball averages 95.5 mph, and on Monday against the Cardinals, he was throwing up to 98 mph. But he throws his primary secondary pitch, his spike curveball, more than he throws his fastball -- 45.5 percent of the time, according to FanGraphs-- and the difference in average velocity is a staggering 13 mph. The disparity is so great that the hitters -- who must anticipate a fastball that good in order to keep up with it -- must essentially guess which pitch he's doing to throw. 
 
When Allen Craig batted against Betances on Monday, for example, he had seen other hitters get the curveball, so he looked for the curve. But when Craig got fastballs, all he could do was ward them off to the right side. 

Betances has faced 113 batters this season and struck out 51 of those, with just nine walks, and because hitters are stuck in between, they've mustered a .221 slugging percentage against him. 

From the Elias Sports Bureau: Betances got 50 strikeouts in 28 2/3 innings, the fewest needed to accumulate 50 strikeouts in a season by a Yankee pitcher in franchise history. The previous record was 31 1/3 innings pitched by Ron Davis in 1981, which was later matched by David Robertson in 2011."
 

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It's pretty freakish what he's doing right now.  Billy Wagner had a few years like this in the late 90s, and Craig Kimbrel has pretty much done this for the last four seasons now, but it's pretty rare company if he can keep this up.
 

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His last eight outings combined: 13 4 1 1 0 21
 
Yes, 21 Ks and no walks. 
 

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He is the Killer B. The only one of three who has found a niche at the big league level. Andrew Brackman, Manny Banuelos and Betances. Jury still out on Banuelos but he is at least a year away, still.
 

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There is no doubt in my mind that this kid gets hurt. His delivery is so violent that I just don't see he will hold up. Gaudy stats though and the Yankees should definitely take advantage of the way he's throwing this year.
 

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On the All-Star team, impressive for a guy who Girardi refused to use last summer. 
 

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He's great, but I worry he's being Proctored. I think I'd rather he get the 4 days in a row off at this point in the season. The past couple weeks he's been allowing runs, which cou sign that he's wearing down a little bit.
 

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Betances has been better, honestly. I wish they'd throw him multiple innings more (even 3 occasionally), and cut down the appearances or the times he warms but doesn't come in. He was a starter until last summer, he can throw 40 pitches if he needs to. 
 

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jon abbey said:
Betances has been better, honestly. I wish they'd throw him multiple innings more (even 3 occasionally), and cut down the appearances or the times he warms but doesn't come in. He was a starter until last summer, he can throw 40 pitches if he needs to.
I can't choose between them. Mo in 1996 was amazing and he was coming off a failed starter stint, too.

You're advocating using Betances the way some closers were used in the 1970s. Three innings and more. It didn't shorten the careers of Lyle and Goose but thinking has changed since then.
 

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I would try to always use him for 2 innings, occasionally for 3 if he got through the first 2 easily, and cut down his appearances/warmups by maybe 10-20 percent. 
 

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jon abbey said:
I would try to always use him for 2 innings, occasionally for 3 if he got through the first 2 easily, and cut down his appearances/warmups by maybe 10-20 percent.
And if he hurts his arm anyway, who gets the blame?
 

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No one, pitchers get hurt all the time no matter how much they get babied. That doesn't mean you abuse them, but to me, the lengthier, less frequent outings are better for his arm. Guys throw a bunch of pitches warming up anyway, another 10 or 15 each time is a good exchange for one extra full day of rest every two weeks, IMO anyway. 
 

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jon abbey said:
No one, pitchers get hurt all the time no matter how much they get babied. That doesn't mean you abuse them, but to me, the lengthier, less frequent outings are better for his arm. Guys throw a bunch of pitches warming up anyway, another 10 or 15 each time is a good exchange for one extra full day of rest every two weeks, IMO anyway.
I hear you and agree. Just playing devil's advocate. One question: with a team that doesn't score a lot of runs and seemingly plays close games five days a week, aren't the opportunities to sit down a valued reliever rather limited?
 

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Warren can go multiple innings too if they let him, I think that would be better for both of them long-term.