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MiracleOfO2704

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I’ll start with the tl;dr: Carey Price stepped in it big time.

Parliament in Canada is looking to pass Bill C-21, a new bill to further restrict gun ownership in Canada. While it was intended to target handguns, some amendments have language that could target traditional hunting guns. This has a few groups in a tizzy, enough so that PM Justin Trudeau has come out and said that the bill will be reviewed to ensure the amendments don’t target hunting rifles and the like.

Price was one of the voices rallying against the bill:

View: https://www.instagram.com/p/CltiUvFuwtE/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=


The account tagged at the end there is for a lobbying group, the Canadian Coalition of Firearms Rights. I know enough about Price that this isn’t the shocking part. What is is how the CCFR was fundraising leading into this week. If you went to their store and used the code POLY, you could get a discount on your purchase.

Oh, today is the 33rd anniversary of the École POLYtechnique massacre, where an incel killed 14 women at the school and wounded 14 other students for having the temerity to study.

The Canadiens have since released a statement, saying that he didn’t know about the massacre. As you can see, though, the post is still up, including the tag for CCFR.

Oh, wanna feel uncomfortable? One of the likes is from Brad Marchand.
 

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Marchand and Kevan Miller own some kind of outdoors/hunting outfit so it's not terribly surprising. Hunting is basically his non-hockey life.
 

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I’ll start with the tl;dr: Carey Price stepped in it big time.

Parliament in Canada is looking to pass Bill C-21, a new bill to further restrict gun ownership in Canada. While it was intended to target handguns, some amendments have language that could target traditional hunting guns. This has a few groups in a tizzy, enough so that PM Justin Trudeau has come out and said that the bill will be reviewed to ensure the amendments don’t target hunting rifles and the like.

Price was one of the voices rallying against the bill:

View: https://www.instagram.com/p/CltiUvFuwtE/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=


The account tagged at the end there is for a lobbying group, the Canadian Coalition of Firearms Rights. I know enough about Price that this isn’t the shocking part. What is is how the CCFR was fundraising leading into this week. If you went to their store and used the code POLY, you could get a discount on your purchase.

Oh, today is the 33rd anniversary of the École POLYtechnique massacre, where an incel killed 14 women at the school and wounded 14 other students for having the temerity to study.

The Canadiens have since released a statement, saying that he didn’t know about the massacre. As you can see, though, the post is still up, including the tag for CCFR.

Oh, wanna feel uncomfortable? One of the likes is from Brad Marchand.
Wow, that sucks. Can you give us an idea of how common the reference is, such that a reasonable person should have recognized it?
 

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Wow, that sucks. Can you give us an idea of how common the reference is, such that a reasonable person should have recognized it?
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Yea, I mean, maybe the CCFR knows the date, but I have a hard time laying blame with Price. Is the CCFR as problematic as the NRA? If they are, then I can see that being an ehhhhh moment.

If you were not personally effected, does anyone know off the top of their head the date of Sandy Hook or Pulse? I guess i can see in a country that doesn't have mass shootings daily that the big one might be an outliner and people remember it easily?
 

MiracleOfO2704

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Wow, that sucks. Can you give us an idea of how common the reference is, such that a reasonable person should have recognized it?
I’m going to try to avoid breaching red lines about politics, but it’s kinda hard.

École Polytechnique was pretty much the first mass shooting of its kind in Canada, and since there are very few like it here, it’s a name that’ll still have resonance, along with Quebec City Mosque and Portapique.

If I were to give an out to Price, he was a toddler on a reserve in the middle of nowhere BC. OTOH, he’s played in the city where it took place for 15+ years. It’s very unlikely he wouldn’t know about it since he’s likely been on the ice for a memorial moment of silence on the 25th or 30th anniversaries.
 

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If you were not personally effected, does anyone know off the top of their head the date of Sandy Hook or Pulse? I guess i can see in a country that doesn't have mass shootings daily that the big one might be an outliner and people remember it easily?
To hitch on to my last post, this is how Quebec marked the 25th anniversary. I’ll now revise my answer to @Myt1 to, “he’d have to have been walking through Montreal blind with earplugs in to not know about it”.
 

MiracleOfO2704

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Price just came out with a statement admitting he was aware of the massacre. So don’t the Habs look like clowns right now.

My .02 is pretty simple. This wasn’t about Price having an opinion on Bill C-21. He’s allowed to have that, and, he being a kid from the rez in northern BC and I living in a city on an island with almost no hunt-worthy game, he knows a fair bit more about it than I do. However, he pushed a gun lobby group that clearly thinks very little of the lives lost that day, and like it or not, he has to own this in Montreal. Because they’re the people that were most hurt by CCFR.
 

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I'd like to give him a pass (even if I despise him AND guns) because how can he know that an organization has a random Black Friday/Cyber Monday promotion code. I mean, I don't necessarily support his cause, but I support him not knowing about a coupon code.
 

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I'd like to give him a pass (even if I despise him AND guns) because how can he know that an organization has a random Black Friday/Cyber Monday promotion code. I mean, I don't necessarily support his cause, but I support him not knowing about a coupon code.
I would absolutely go down that road if he’d done something to distance himself from CCFR yesterday or today. I’m sure the conversation went something like:

CCFR PR rep.: Hey Carey, we’re wondering if you can help us push back on Bill C-21.
Price: What’s that?
CCFR PR rep. explains Bill C-21 in their view
Price: Oh, wow, sure. How can I help?
CCFR PR rep.: Just tag us in a social media post you make on the subject.

Thing is, this has blown up, and he’s more or less stood by it. And again, I don’t object to his objection to the new amendments. But he’s had a chance to put some distance between himself and them, and chosen not to. He’s no longer ignorant to the shitty edgelord ways of CCFR, and still allows himself to be associated with them. The funny thing is, he’s the person I’m least pissed at (Charles Barkley was right, after all). Now the Habs, going out and trying to put out the fire only to watch Price walk over with a bucket of kerosene…
 

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I know for a fact Marchand is a big hunter, although I'm pretty sure he is more into archery. He hunts southern NH on occasion.
 

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After the 1st period on HNIC between the Leafs and Calgary tonight, they ran audio from a podcast Chara did where he said Vancouver used ice time in the morning to choreograph their Cup trophy presentation in 2011 and also asked the league how many people could they invite onto the ice for this. One of the talking heads in the show is Kevin Bieksa, former Canuck, who was very displeased and denied it all and trashed Chara. Choose your sides. I chose mine.
 

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I do love when the puck is along the boards and a pickup truck comes charging in to run them over.

I'm used to the ads but for the love of god get rid of the horizontal movement. One of the ads features a giant puck flying around the boards. Criminal to run that during play.
 

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After the 1st period on HNIC between the Leafs and Calgary tonight, they ran audio from a podcast Chara did where he said Vancouver used ice time in the morning to choreograph their Cup trophy presentation in 2011 and also asked the league how many people could they invite onto the ice for this. One of the talking heads in the show is Kevin Bieksa, former Canuck, who was very displeased and denied it all and trashed Chara. Choose your sides. I chose mine.
I saw the clip of Bieksa defending the Canucks. When he states that a team that had leaders like the Sedin twins would never do that I wonder if he realizes he is undermining his argument. The way they called out Burrows for biting Bergeron…oh wait.
 

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We have ourselves another offside controversy. Last night an Oilers OT game winner was disallowed after ruling McDavid was offside. McDavid waas in the zone before the puck but his contention is he was in possession even though it wasn't touching his stick.

View: https://twitter.com/timandfriends/status/1603625775726333954?s=20&t=Vk7_TxDA-tPyUauzD2-uyg


I couldn't find a full clip but I think they did get this one right. McDavid is essentially attempting a self pass around O'Reilly but he never really gets a clean next touch. It kind of ends up in their skates and eventually beneath the RW circle McDavid gets it and backhands it towards the net and Draisaitl pokes in the reboud. I think if he gets the clean touch that O'Reilly's stick check prevented, he's got a more legitimate argument.
 

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I'm not sure why being in possession of the puck magically makes you unable to go offsides. I've seen plenty of times where a skater will try a crazy spin move at the blue line and effectively "back in" to the zone with the puck on their stick outside the zone that ends up being called offsides when they eventually bring it in after themselves.

Edit - Admittedly, I didnt watch the clip with sound as I'm on a call for work so if there's important information that explains it, I missed that.
 

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I'm not sure why being in possession of the puck magically makes you unable to go offsides. I've seen plenty of times where a skater will try a crazy spin move at the blue line and effectively "back in" to the zone with the puck on their stick outside the zone that ends up being called offsides when they eventually bring it in after themselves.
That's how the rule is written. It's legal to back into the zone before the puck if you have possession. The grey area is defining possession. Linesman can still blow dead plays that would be onside if they let it play out, but the rule is you can be in the zone before the puck if you have possession.

Here's an example of a goal that stood for that very reason after review last season. It's lengthy because there's 2 reviews on the same play but the offside review starts around 4:30. Kurashev is clearly in the zone before the puck but they determined he had possession and thus the goal stands.

View: https://youtu.be/5SZ2mNm9NjI
 

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I've never thought about it before but it's certainly weird that you can enter the zone first with possession, but if the puck is already in the zone and you possess it out then back in it's offsides. Kinda makes no sense.
 

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I've never thought about it before but it's certainly weird that you can enter the zone first with possession, but if the puck is already in the zone and you possess it out then back in it's offsides. Kinda makes no sense.
It seems to me like if it's just you, then it shouldn't be offside, but I'd expect it to be pretty rare where there isn't a teammate still in the zone.
 

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Not sure what the deal is with the Rangers and some of their high picks. It's been really weird. They have had 2 top 10 picks basically butt heads with the organization and demand trades (Lias Andersson and Vitaly Kravstov). Andersson is definitely a bust, Kravstov probably too soon to call but trending that way. They hit on picks in the 20's to some degree with Chytil and K'Andre Miller. Chytil is an OK bottom 6 center, Miller a top-4 D. Their best pick was Nils Lundqvist, 28th overall in 2018 (the pick the Bruins traded for Rick Nash) who also requested a trade and was sent to Dallas for a 1st round pick. Lundqvist has flourished and the return to the Rangers was good so everyone is happy but that's 3 first round picks in 3 years that requested a trade? What is going on?

Then there is the curious cases of Kappo Kakko and Alexis Lafreniere. Both players are basically the same player today as they were their rookie season. Kakko is, generously, a bottom-6 winger. His points per 60 has gone 0.70, 1.28, 1.58, 1.49. Lafreniere is better, but not by much. If Kakko is a 4th liner, Lafreniere is a 3rd liner. His points per 60 has been 1.73, 1.66. 1.74. Consistent, but not good. Both players were the consensus pick when they were selected so I have a hard time pointing blame at the scouts.

Are there organizational player development issues? From 2017-2020 they made 34 draft picks. Only 5 of the players drafted by NYR have played 50 NHL games for them. Lias Andersson (bust), K'Andre Miller, Filip Chytil, Kappo Kakko, Alexis Lafreniere. Zac Jones and Braden Schneider are on their way to reaching that mark. Of the group, only Miller is a major contributor at this point.