If Schenn barrel rolls, and comes up ok after the hit - no one says a thing about this check.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtDdBYLVvuc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtDdBYLVvuc
December Game Thread
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TheShynessClinic said:
The hit in that video wasn't boarding. Whether Schenn turns or not, he's going to go into the boards badly
Beyond the fact that that player wasn't boarded as Schenn was, you are judging outcomes - that the player in the video barrel rolled and came up ok rather than say, landing on his head and never moving again - rather than process. Wilson's hit was reckless regardless of the outcome.
LogansDad said:
:lol: Have you seen Wilson play? He's a tenacious forechecker who absolutely loves destroying people. He's already a monster and he's just 19 years old.
As for the call, I am totally fine/agree with the decision to give Wilson the major for charging and the game. I am also fine if they give him an extra game in the press box for being reckless, but don't think there was intent to injure and agree with the others who think it looks worse because of Schenn's last minute decision to turn. Wilson is just a huge kid who loves to throw his weight around. Yes, he needs to learn what's safe and what isn't, but I certainly think that fell more on the side of reckless than dirty. The two reasons that hit looks bad are Wilson's speed coming into the hit (the charge) and the fact that Schenn turned his back to him.
Wilson isn't a dirty player in my opinion, but this certainly won't be the last you see of a Wilson hit being discussed in this context because he's pretty much a lock to rattle a lot of heads.
Well outcomes come into play with suspensions so I don't think we can just throw it out.TheStoryofYourRedRightAnkle said:
With regards to my earlier point, I was more commenting on the trend of players turning to draw penalties and less so on this actual hit.
If they do sit him I'm guessing we hear targeting/predatory hit in the explanation. I wouldn't call it a dirty hit in the sense that a head shot is, but Schenn is in a vulnerable position no matter which way he turns because of the distance from the boards.
I do wonder if there was some intent there. These 2 teams had a couple of dust-ups in preseason, and of course the Emery embarrassment earlier. And Schenn's line (with Hartnell and Simmonds) had been running around all night; that's as physically engaged as that group's been in awhile. I expect Wilson was sending a message...not that that's wrong, or a bad thing. That's what big hits are for. He just got him in a bad spot on the ice.
I do wonder if there was some intent there. These 2 teams had a couple of dust-ups in preseason, and of course the Emery embarrassment earlier. And Schenn's line (with Hartnell and Simmonds) had been running around all night; that's as physically engaged as that group's been in awhile. I expect Wilson was sending a message...not that that's wrong, or a bad thing. That's what big hits are for. He just got him in a bad spot on the ice.
MoGator71 said:
Wilson wasn't sending a message that he doesn't send to every team he plays. Seriously, this guy loves hitting more than any other Capitals player I've seen in a while. He absolutely loves coming in on the forecheck and destroying people around that area. That is just Wilson being himself. So far in his short career, when Wilson wants to send a message, he usually just drops the mitts.
If they do sit him I'm guessing we hear targeting/predatory hit in the explanation. I wouldn't call it a dirty hit in the sense that a head shot is, but Schenn is in a vulnerable position no matter which way he turns because of the distance from the boards.
I won't be surprised if those words are uttered by Shanahan, but I hope he chooses others. Wilson is under no obligation to avoid checking Schenn in that situation. He got in trouble because of the charge and subsequently (in part) the outcome.
I won't be surprised if those words are uttered by Shanahan, but I hope he chooses others. Wilson is under no obligation to avoid checking Schenn in that situation. He got in trouble because of the charge and subsequently (in part) the outcome.
Not if he just knocks him off the puck in an innocuous way, which is what I imagine is being referred to.
Well I meant I'd expect those words because of the charge. There was a hit either last season or the year before where a guy got lined up from half a rink away and that was the language we heard when the suspension came down.Fred in Lynn said:
Edit: Can't seem to find the hit, Dan Carcillo's name came to mind but all I found of him were a couple of obvious dirty boardings on Pitkanen and Gilbert.
And No. 8 on the all time list, one behind Messier.
And yet he (and Seguin) couldn't pop in a couple of goals in June when it would have made a huge difference. :smithicide:
And yet he (and Seguin) couldn't pop in a couple of goals in June when it would have made a huge difference. :smithicide:
Yes he is actually. That's boarding regardless of the charge
Maybe, maybe not. The refs have wide latitude in the way they can interpret 41.1.
Flyers go down 3-0 with 7 seconds left in the 2nd, then storm back with 5 in the 3rd and win 5-4. 2G, 2A for Giroux. Columbus had been something like 36-0-1 when leading after 2 under Todd Richards.
Flyers are over .500 for the first time all year, and if the season ended today they'd be in the playoffs (facing the Caps).
Flyers are over .500 for the first time all year, and if the season ended today they'd be in the playoffs (facing the Caps).
Also Claude Giroux got his 100th goal.
Speaking of milestones, Alex Ovechkin got his 399th the other night. Seems like a lot...he's only 28. If he stays healthy and doesn't decide to go home early like Kovalchuk he's got a real shot to get very high on the all time list.
Speaking of milestones, Alex Ovechkin got his 399th the other night. Seems like a lot...he's only 28. If he stays healthy and doesn't decide to go home early like Kovalchuk he's got a real shot to get very high on the all time list.
Speaking of Ovechkin, the Canes have been shadowing him on the [Caps] PP tonight. I've seen a few teams (Pittsburgh, Toronto come to mind) do this. Basically, the PK is shading the forward or defensemen on Ovechkin side closer to him, so that he doesn't have a clear shot on net. I mean, 28 goals, 12 of them on the PP, you know why. However, tonight, the Caps are 3/4 on the PP and lead 3-2. If Ovechkin's teammates perform like they have tonight, it's going to make that PP very difficult to defend.
Cats/Jets first period was very chippy. Things might get out of hand before this one is through.
sachmoney said:
I believe they said he is the 6th fastest to ever hit 400. A game quicker than Bure, I want to say.
Isles score a pair of SH goals in the first period at MSG on consecutive PKs, which were incidentally separated by a save on a PS by Nabakov.
Then they seal the game by scoring just one second after yet another PK late in the third.
Then they seal the game by scoring just one second after yet another PK late in the third.
Your avatar just made me do a full-on, alone in my house double-take. I did not expect to see that face while scrolling through RMPS on a Friday night. I am a member of that company—standing by for a number of roles across those two plays. I'll assume you saw the show, yes?Monbo Jumbo said:
sachmoney said:
When Pierre McGuire was coaching the Whalers he did that with Mario Lemieux. He had Pat Verbeek do nothing but shadow Lemieux. The ever-creative Mario sakted OUT of the zone and Verbeek followed, setting up a 4-on-3 PP with as I recall Jagr-Stevens-Coffey-Murphy or something like that, and the Pens got a couple on the PP that night.
Pierre didn't exactly cover himself in glory in that little coaching stint in Hartford.
sachmoney said:
A few teams have tried to do this. It hasn't worked too well, either. With Carlson/Green on the point, Backstrom on the half boards, Johansson/Grabovski down low, and Brouwer/Ward in the middle, there's plenty of firepower left on the ice. Sometimes they still manage to find Ovechkin sneaking in back door for a cross crease pass, as well.
As has been mentioned, it's either a 5-on-4 against Ovechkin & Co, or it's essentially a 4-on-3 with NHL assist leader Nicklas Backstrom quarterbacking. Good luck.
catomatic said:
Outstanding! Bravo! (unless you're covering the female roles - then Brava!
)Yes - I made a trip up last month to see them both. Stage seats!. My SoSH review is here.
Stage seats are the only way to fly..... No, I'm not covering any of the female roles, they've got younger, prettier types for those assignments. I'll check out your review post haste. From Nashville, is it? Rylance fan?Monbo Jumbo said:
Outstanding! Bravo! (unless you're covering the female roles - then Brava!
Yes - I made a trip up last month to see them both. Stage seats!. My SoSH review is here.
Edit: Nice write-up. I feel precisely the same way about his R3.
Jagr's having a great season. A goal and two assists tonight to lead the Devils back against the Caps, 5-4. Overcame TWO two-goal deficits. Jagr was the best player on the ice. He's now 13-21-34 in 36 games.
We might start having to call him "Jesus" as well because he's also resurrected the corpse of Travis Zajac this season.
We might start having to call him "Jesus" as well because he's also resurrected the corpse of Travis Zajac this season.
Lamoriello should be able to pry a 1st rounder from a contending team at the deadline for The Jagr at this rate
Pumpsie said:
Well...it should be Yeesus, for the alliteration. Jaromir Yeesus Jagr.
mikeford said:
Easily a 1st, should be a 1st + considering he'd be going to a contender and the 1st would be late. That's assuming he's even selling, the way things stand now there's a good chance the Devils make the playoffs. Other than the Pens and maybe the Caps the Patrick Division is pretty weak.
Calgary scores on a Power Play with 4 seconds left to send it to OT against StL. Exciting game.
Edit: And now 4 on 3 with a minute left in OT
Edit: And now 4 on 3 with a minute left in OT
i don't understand how that's a legal goal. why didn't the whistle blow once the puck wound up in the goal-keep's pants?
PseuFighter said:
The whistle probably should have blown when the puck was lodged in Smith's pants. However, it didn't and they can't change that on the review (unless a ref had intent to blow the whistle, which clearly was not the case).
It's Patrick Sharp's birthday and he's partying like it's his birthday. He has a hat trick already early in the second. Toews has a goal and an assist. Blackhawks lead the Avalanche 4-0.
Every time Sharp scores a goal, I have an irresistible urge to drive to Bob Clarke's house and kick him in the ass.