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Tomorrow is one of the most fun days of the year, the summer transfer window deadline day.  
 
The big name that could move is Falcao.  I've seen Real Madrid, Manchester City, and Arsenal all linked with the player.  The price has been as high as 55 million pounds (!?).
 
Danny Welbeck could move from United with Spurs being a destination.  
 

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I doubt anyone significant will be coming in at Liverpool, but it will be interesting to see who leaves.  At the very least, they've got to figure out what to do with Borini.
 

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I doubt anyone significant will be coming in at Liverpool, but it will be interesting to see who leaves.  At the very least, they've got to figure out what to do with Borini.
 
Send him to THE Ukraine to whichever team doesn't buy Fat Midfielder.
 

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https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/506369736561942528
 
20M pounds for a 1-year rental in a position that doesn't need strengthening? Or is he a secret DM that we've been unaware of? Genius or madness - you decide.
 

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The Guardian is reporting that the loan fee is 6 million pounds, but of course they are paying his wages.
 
I'm honestly not sure what to think
 

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Move Rooney back to the trequartista role at the front of midfield while playing Van Persie and Falcao up top?

This makes more sense than someone paying £55M for a player coming off an ACL injury, I guess. Man U doesn't have to worry about FFP* so I doubt this is a buy disguised as a loan.

* Because they won't be playing in Europe for the foreseeable future.
 

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I think it's more of lvg hedging his bets against an aging rvp but if they are all fit you could be right.

Our ffp is fine given the revenue we bring in.
 

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It's funny to misspell City in the Manx accent. The same City who have turned a profit in this window while all the "victims" of City's spending have spent like drunken sailors. I think it's pretty clear at this point why FFP was enacted. Only true believers like Arsene haven't gone wild and even Arsenal have spent, just not as much as their FFP brothers in arms
 

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It's funny to misspell City in the Manx accent. The same City who have turned a profit in this window while all the "victims" of City's spending have spent like drunken sailors. I think it's pretty clear at this point why FFP was enacted. Only true believers like Arsene haven't gone wild and even Arsenal have spent, just not as much as their FFP brothers in arms
 
Not quite true, but there's certainly been a touch of realism at the Etihad...still a few hours to go though.
 
 

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The graphic isn't loading for me, but I was probably too bold in saying City will turn a profit, I think when Nastasic, Richards (gone to Fiorentina), Sinclair, Guidetti are sold they'll be pretty close to even, and there's a lot of smoke around Valencia taking Negredo as well, which would likely make City profitable in this window.
 
Fucking PSG and 50m to Luiz really screwed up the market for everyone.  The weird thing for me with United spending on Falcao (I'm assuming that this is a loan with a compulsion to buy) is that they're strengthening in areas of theoretical strength and ignoring their dramatic CB problem while all of Europe has been consolidating at the position.  Real and Barca have been bringing in CBs, City went for Mangala.  I can't believe they let Benatia go to Bayern, who are 3 or 4 deep at the position.  Chelsea bought Zouma to stay ahead of the position scarcity....who is the young super talented CB that's left for United to buy even if they wanted to? Every year new prospects emerge and maybe United can hope that one of the big sides depth comes back to hurt them and a Varane or someone very talented becomes available.
 
Quite frankly, given the quality United needs, they need to invest in players like Di Maria and Falcao.  It's not much different from what City did.  Having players like that make other players more possible.  It's just the hypocrisy of all it all that is hilarious.
 

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Move Rooney back to the trequartista role at the front of midfield while playing Van Persie and Falcao up top?

This makes more sense than someone paying £55M for a player coming off an ACL injury, I guess. Man U doesn't have to worry about FFP* so I doubt this is a buy disguised as a loan.

* Because they won't be playing in Europe for the foreseeable future.
 
 
Technically, FFP applies to domestic leagues as well. Not that ManU is in any trouble.
 

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Listen, we sold Ronaldo for the world transfer record and bought Michael Owen on a free transfer during the same window.  We can spend all of the fucking money we want.
 

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teddykgb said:
The graphic isn't loading for me, but I was probably too bold in saying City will turn a profit, I think when Nastasic, Richards (gone to Fiorentina), Sinclair, Guidetti are sold they'll be pretty close to even, and there's a lot of smoke around Valencia taking Negredo as well, which would likely make City profitable in this window.
 
Well, I am bored and what am I gonna do, work?
 
 
Spent Received Net Spend
Man Utd 132.9 14.2 118.7
Arsenal 62.2 18.3 43.9
Liverpool 116.8 81.1 35.7
Man City 54.5 19.0 35.5
West Ham 33.5 0.0 33.5
Everton 32.8 0.0 32.8
Newcastle 37.8 12.9 24.9
Hull 35.9 15.0 20.9
West Brom 15.6 2.0 13.6
QPR 26.5 15.5 11.0
Leicester 10.0 0.0 10.0
Sunderland 12.0 2.5 9.5
Burnley 8.0 0.0 8.0
Aston Villa 6.9 1.0 5.9
Tottenham 29.5 27.5 2.0
Swansea 25.1 23.8 1.3
C Palace 2.4 1.4 1.0
Stoke 3.4 3.0 0.4
Chelsea 87.7 88.5 -0.8
Southampton 47.9 88.6 -40.7
 
 

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I'm hearing, on Radio 5, Ben Arfa to Hull City. They just called Steve Bruce who said he was too busy to talk. Phil Neville's in the studio and he's saying he reckons it'll get done.
 

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I'm hearing, on Radio 5, Ben Arfa to Hull City. They just called Steve Bruce who said he was too busy to talk. Phil Neville's in the studio and he's saying he reckons it'll get done.
 
Borini wants £90k a week wages, which might be holdng up a move - Poyet's gonna call in in a few...90 grand for Borini...
 

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I just hope they aren't getting the Cleverley that currently plays for United. Bereft of confidence, can't play a pass over 15 yards.
 

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It's strange to me that Man United would sell Welbeck to a team in England that not only desperately needs a striker, but will be fighting with them for Champions League spots.
 

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SoxFanInCali said:
It's strange to me that Man United would sell Welbeck to a team in England that not only desperately needs a striker, but will be fighting with them for Champions League spots.
 
Yeah, me too, especially after we basically screwed them on the Vermaelen transfer earlier this summer.  I'm sort of expecting them to pull out of the deal five minutes before the window closes as payback.
 

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Sigh.  I never should have mentioned FFP.  It's the reclining airline seat of Gazza.
 
SoxFanInCali said:
It's strange to me that Man United would sell Welbeck to a team in England that not only desperately needs a striker, but will be fighting with them for Champions League spots.
 
O RLY?
 

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Looks like Negredo to Valencia is happening. Loan deal with a compulsory buy at 24m pounds. Seems the player really wanted the move, which is a shame. Will end up turning a profit but risky of City to go until at least Jan with only three strikers especially considering how injury prone two of them are.

Also seeing rumors of Falcao failing a medical at United after having supposedly failed at Madrid. For now it is best to assume it's just shit stirring nonsense but my god would that be hilarious.
 

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The origin of the failed medical rumor appears to be a fake Twitter account.
 
What is the point of a "transfer deadline" if you allow a bunch of clubs to have extensions?
 

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I did not see the Negredo thing coming. I thought he was a brilliant player when City could get him in the lineup. He just couldn't settle, maybe?
 

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I really just think City had too many strikers.  Its tough to juggle for sure, but can you really have 4 superstar strikers and keep them happy?  I think you can rotate 3, not sure about 4.  I love Dzeko and think he's really under appreciated, you can't get rid of Aguero who is the best of the lot, and if Jovetic can stay fit he could be an incredible player.  I think if one of them goes down for an extended time CIty would be fine until January.  
 

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The English are such gossips that it is hard to say but the rumors of him leaving started early in the summer and always seemed linked to family issues. It never went much deeper but I think his family may have just struggled in England and a move back to Spain supports this.
 

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Falcao's move to ManU got me thinking: Why is it bad to have a player in the EPL owned by a third party, but it's fine if the same player is brought in on loan.
 

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I think it depends on why one wouldn't like third-party ownership in the first place.  If it's a question of divided loyalties--as you see in Italy, where a club can be a third-party owner in a player at another club--then it's a distinction without a difference.  In my mind, that's not really different from a loan.
 
If you look at it the way I think the EPL does, however, it's a question of financial stability.  A transfer fee, essentially, is a capital outlay amortized over the life of the player's contract.  Third-party ownership spreads that risk around, but it also makes it harder to sell if the club gets in trouble.  If the story behind the Carvalho deal is true, his third-party owners wanted about 26M pounds for their 75% share, while Sporting were willing to take about 6M pounds for their 25%.  Sporting is hardly hurting for cash, but if they were, they could get bent over and have to take maybe 2M to get the deal done.  In that sense, the argument is similar to those against doping.  Doping gives you the chance to compete (who wouldn't want Carvalho for 25% of his transfer fee?), but it has potentially scary consequences.  
 
Since the English FA is essentially a puppet organization of the clubs, I also suspect they see third-party ownership as a way to suck more cash out of clubs in bung deals with managers and directors of football.  
 

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Spurs didn't exactly shit the bed, but maybe it's the contrast with QPR (really, with 'Arry) that leaves me disappointed. Adding Jay Rodriguez probably wouldn't have meant Champions League, but I've more or less resigned myself to a season of mediocrity. 
 
Since I'm a relative noob I always question my own understandings of the game, so am I right that there is a glut of defenders akin to the 2009 NatsTown team of outfielders?
 

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The important thing to note about Spurs relative lack of activity in this window was the number of guys they brought in last year. One of the faithful will have a better take, but the biggest acquisition for Spurs this offseason was Pochettino and some stability. Too many coaches, too many players, too much everything last year has been settled (calmed) by minor additions and subtractions this year.