I think it’s 4 1sts? Might be 3What did the Spurs give up for Fox?
Zach Collins and Tre Jones + 2 Firsts?
The Celtics got a similar package for Marcus Smart
Agreed 100% on all of this.I really like this move for Spurs, Fox is an ideal offensive partner for Wemby (and his super aggressive defense will get better with an elite rim protector behind him instead of Sabonis).
Underrated downside: This makes Chicago worse, and while Philly deserves to miss the playoffs entirely (now 10 games under .500), I don't see how they can avoid the play in now.
Where are the details on the Charlotte pick? I haven’t seen them.Looks like Bulls got their 1st back so they can have a prayer at Flagg
Also that 2025 Charlotte pick should be heavily protected, so is that a true 1st?
I was trying to figure out what the Spurs gave up for Fox?I think it’s 4 1sts? Might be 3
I am pretty sure that the Spurs gave up 4 1sts, Tre Jones and Zach Collins for Fox.I was trying to figure out what the Spurs gave up for Fox?
I'm assuming Chicago had to attach draft comp to LaVine
Looks like they gave their own 2027 pick, the Bulls pick they got in the DeRozan trade, and the pick they got for the Dillingham Minny draft trade. An absolute steal of a deal.I was trying to figure out what the Spurs gave up for Fox?
I'm assuming Chicago had to attach draft comp to LaVine
Where are the details on the Charlotte pick? I haven’t seen them.
Are there any protections on those firsts?
The 2031 1st from MIN is unprotected.2025 first round draft pick to San Antonio
Charlotte's 2025 1st round pick to San Antonio protected for selections 1-14; if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Charlotte will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round draft pick to San Antonio (via New York to Atlanta) [Charlotte-New York, 7/30/2021; Atlanta-New York, 1/13/2022; Atlanta-San Antonio, 6/30/2022]
Thank you. So the Charlotte pick is really two seconds.From realgm.com:
That Bulls pick going back to them is big. But one 1st, Huerter, and Tre Jones isn’t great return for LaVine (I guess Zach Collins a helpful for them, too, and his contract isn’t bad).Looks like Bulls got their 1st back so they can have a prayer at Flagg
Also that 2025 Charlotte pick should be heavily protected, so is that a true 1st?
2025 first round draft pick from Chicago
Chicago's 1st round pick to San Antonio protected for selections 1-10 in 2025, 1-8 in 2026 and 1-8 in 2027; if Chicago has not conveyed a 1st round pick to San Antonio by 2027, then Chicago will instead convey its 2028 2nd round pick to San Antonio [Chicago-San Antonio, 8/11/2021]
What the hell are the Kings thinking? Jonesing for the Mitch Richmond, Sharif Abdur-Rahim heyday? Absolute heist for the Spurs.
Hmm. I think SAC did very well here. Is Fox meaningfully better than Lavine? I’m not so sure. So a lateral move at guard, they get off Huerter, and they get 3 first round picks.The details matter but I don't understand what Sacramento is doing overall. I would have expected them to receive more NBA ready talent given the rest of their roster.
Didn’t they trade away the 1st to get rid of DeRozan in the first place? I mean that is insane incompetenceThat Bulls pick going back to them is big. But one 1st, Huerter, and Tre Jones isn’t great return for LaVine (I guess Zach Collins a helpful for them, too, and his contract isn’t bad).
The Charlotte 2025 1st is fully lotto protected, and while maybe they have SOME chance of sneaking into the Play-In, it’s highly likely to become Charlotte’s 2026 and 2027 2nds. Those still might be quite good. But probably only two firsts to the Kings.
They got a Charlotte first that probably won’t convey and a Spurs pick that will probably be a late first. The TWolves 31 is the only first that could be decent.Hmm. I think SAC did very well here. Is Fox meaningfully better than Lavine? I’m not so sure. So a lateral move at guard, they get off Huerter, and they get 3 first round picks.
Is it ever clear what the Kings are doing?The details matter but I don't understand what Sacramento is doing overall. I would have expected them to receive more NBA ready talent given the rest of their roster.
Fox is WAY better than LaVine. It's not even remotely close IMO, you have to remember LaVine is an atrocious defender.Hmm. I think SAC did very well here. Is Fox meaningfully better than Lavine? I’m not so sure. So a lateral move at guard, they get off Huerter, and they get 3 first round picks.
Yup. And still have tons of assets to make another major deal.Price seems a little light to me, I guess Fox only has 1.5 years left on his current deal.
Really nice get for SA and a good fit with Wemby.
They are probably getting close to being a contender now, maybe 1 guy away.
They basically traded Fox for LaVine, added some draft picks, and got some salary relief for Huerter. They also were probably doing Fox a solid since it's hard enough getting guys to play in SAC. Not great but not terrible considering Fox really wanted to go to SAS.The details matter but I don't understand what Sacramento is doing overall. I would have expected them to receive more NBA ready talent given the rest of their roster.
Who is "we"?Obligatory DARKO comparison (though I'm surprised LaVine isn't higher given how efficient he has been shooting the ball this year, unless DARKO thinks his defense is worse than we do):
FWIW, EPM (which, along with DPM, is considered the cream of the advanced stats crop) has Lavine at +2.0, and Fox +1.4.They basically traded Fox for LaVine, added some draft picks, and got some salary relief for Huerter. They also were probably doing Fox a solid since it's hard enough getting guys to play in SAC. Not great but not terrible considering Fox really wanted to go to SAS.
Obligatory DARKO comparison (though I'm surprised LaVine isn't higher given how efficient he has been shooting the ball this year, unless DARKO thinks his defense is worse than we do):
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I have to assume Vucevic is going to get moved, and the Bulls might want to see what they can get for Lonzo and Giddey.The entertainment value of this trade-deadline so far is off the roof.