DeAaron Fox to Spurs, Zach Lavine to Kings

Kliq

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 31, 2013
24,683
Wow, huge weekend for the NBA.

Love Fox in San Antonio, that team is going to be so much fun to watch.

LaVine to Sacramento is kind of a lateral move--he can create his own shot and is a better shooter than Fox, but not nearly as good of a distributor and is a weak defender.

Suppose the Spurs must have given up some serious picks--they didn't just give up Zach Collins' salary for Fox.
 

benhogan

Granite Truther
SoSH Member
Nov 2, 2007
22,858
Santa Monica
What did the Spurs give up for Fox?

Zach Collins and Tre Jones + 2 Firsts?

The Celtics got a similar package for Marcus Smart
 

koufax32

He'll cry if he wants to...
SoSH Member
Dec 8, 2006
9,442
Duval
I love NBA trade season.

One more high end wing in SA and that’s a dangerous and really, really fun team. Imagine if JB ended up there in a year or two?
 

Euclis20

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 3, 2004
10,252
Oakland
I really like this move for Spurs, Fox is an ideal offensive partner for Wemby (and his super aggressive defense will get better with an elite rim protector behind him instead of Sabonis).

Underrated downside: This makes Chicago worse, and while Philly deserves to miss the playoffs entirely (now 10 games under .500), I don't see how they can avoid the play in now.
 

DeadlySplitter

Member
SoSH Member
Oct 20, 2015
36,690
Looks like Bulls got their 1st back so they can have a prayer at Flagg

Also that 2025 Charlotte pick should be heavily protected, so is that a true 1st?
 

CaptainLaddie

dj paul pfieffer
SoSH Member
Sep 6, 2004
39,942
where the darn libs live
I really like this move for Spurs, Fox is an ideal offensive partner for Wemby (and his super aggressive defense will get better with an elite rim protector behind him instead of Sabonis).

Underrated downside: This makes Chicago worse, and while Philly deserves to miss the playoffs entirely (now 10 games under .500), I don't see how they can avoid the play in now.
Agreed 100% on all of this.
 

BigSoxFan

Member
SoSH Member
May 31, 2007
49,859
So, the Spurs kept all their Hawks picks? That is huge. Another big move could easily be made.
 

DeJesus Built My Hotrod

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Dec 24, 2002
54,734
The details matter but I don't understand what Sacramento is doing overall. I would have expected them to receive more NBA ready talent given the rest of their roster.
 

mikeot

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 22, 2006
8,427
Crazy how the NBA stole the spotlight during Super Bowl hype week. Looking forward to watching the new-look Spurs.
 

Auger34

used to be tbb
SoSH Member
Apr 23, 2010
12,878
I was trying to figure out what the Spurs gave up for Fox?

I'm assuming Chicago had to attach draft comp to LaVine
I am pretty sure that the Spurs gave up 4 1sts, Tre Jones and Zach Collins for Fox.

Don’t believe Chicago attached any comp to LaVine
 

BigSoxFan

Member
SoSH Member
May 31, 2007
49,859
I was trying to figure out what the Spurs gave up for Fox?

I'm assuming Chicago had to attach draft comp to LaVine
Looks like they gave their own 2027 pick, the Bulls pick they got in the DeRozan trade, and the pick they got for the Dillingham Minny draft trade. An absolute steal of a deal.

Edit: and the protect Charlotte pick that converts to 2 2nds
 

DeadlySplitter

Member
SoSH Member
Oct 20, 2015
36,690
Where are the details on the Charlotte pick? I haven’t seen them.
Are there any protections on those firsts?

From realgm.com:

2025 first round draft pick to San Antonio
Charlotte's 2025 1st round pick to San Antonio protected for selections 1-14; if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Charlotte will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round draft pick to San Antonio (via New York to Atlanta) [Charlotte-New York, 7/30/2021; Atlanta-New York, 1/13/2022; Atlanta-San Antonio, 6/30/2022]
The 2031 1st from MIN is unprotected.
 

Devizier

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 3, 2000
21,093
Somewhere
What the hell are the Kings thinking? Jonesing for the Mitch Richmond, Sharif Abdur-Rahim heyday? Absolute heist for the Spurs.
 

LA_33

Member
SoSH Member
Oct 26, 2005
208
MN via MA
Looks like Bulls got their 1st back so they can have a prayer at Flagg

Also that 2025 Charlotte pick should be heavily protected, so is that a true 1st?
That Bulls pick going back to them is big. But one 1st, Huerter, and Tre Jones isn’t great return for LaVine (I guess Zach Collins a helpful for them, too, and his contract isn’t bad).

The Charlotte 2025 1st is fully lotto protected, and while maybe they have SOME chance of sneaking into the Play-In, it’s highly likely to become Charlotte’s 2026 and 2027 2nds. Those still might be quite good. But probably only two firsts to the Kings.
 

DeadlySplitter

Member
SoSH Member
Oct 20, 2015
36,690
The 2025 1st for Chicago, which is why they got it back from the Spurs in this trade:

2025 first round draft pick from Chicago
Chicago's 1st round pick to San Antonio protected for selections 1-10 in 2025, 1-8 in 2026 and 1-8 in 2027; if Chicago has not conveyed a 1st round pick to San Antonio by 2027, then Chicago will instead convey its 2028 2nd round pick to San Antonio [Chicago-San Antonio, 8/11/2021]
 

luckiestman

Son of the Harpy
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
35,580
What the hell are the Kings thinking? Jonesing for the Mitch Richmond, Sharif Abdur-Rahim heyday? Absolute heist for the Spurs.

I like Lavine but did not realize the protections on the Charlotte pick when I liked this trade for Sacto
 

the moops

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 19, 2016
5,494
Saint Paul, MN
The details matter but I don't understand what Sacramento is doing overall. I would have expected them to receive more NBA ready talent given the rest of their roster.
Hmm. I think SAC did very well here. Is Fox meaningfully better than Lavine? I’m not so sure. So a lateral move at guard, they get off Huerter, and they get 3 first round picks.
 

Auger34

used to be tbb
SoSH Member
Apr 23, 2010
12,878
That Bulls pick going back to them is big. But one 1st, Huerter, and Tre Jones isn’t great return for LaVine (I guess Zach Collins a helpful for them, too, and his contract isn’t bad).

The Charlotte 2025 1st is fully lotto protected, and while maybe they have SOME chance of sneaking into the Play-In, it’s highly likely to become Charlotte’s 2026 and 2027 2nds. Those still might be quite good. But probably only two firsts to the Kings.
Didn’t they trade away the 1st to get rid of DeRozan in the first place? I mean that is insane incompetence
 

DeadlySplitter

Member
SoSH Member
Oct 20, 2015
36,690
Actually wait, if it was top 10 protected anyways I am confused why the Bulls needed it back now.
 

Just a bit outside

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 6, 2011
8,775
Monument, CO
Hmm. I think SAC did very well here. Is Fox meaningfully better than Lavine? I’m not so sure. So a lateral move at guard, they get off Huerter, and they get 3 first round picks.
They got a Charlotte first that probably won’t convey and a Spurs pick that will probably be a late first. The TWolves 31 is the only first that could be decent.
 

radsoxfan

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 9, 2009
14,943
Price seems a little light to me, I guess Fox only has 1.5 years left on his current deal.

Really nice get for SA and a good fit with Wemby.

They are probably getting close to being a contender now, maybe 1 guy away.
 

Caspir

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 16, 2005
7,385
Can’t believe that SA kept Vassell, Castle and Johnson and still got Fox. This team looks really good (and fun) now, and like a serious threat to OKC/Denver next year.
 

radsoxfan

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 9, 2009
14,943
Hmm. I think SAC did very well here. Is Fox meaningfully better than Lavine? I’m not so sure. So a lateral move at guard, they get off Huerter, and they get 3 first round picks.
Fox is WAY better than LaVine. It's not even remotely close IMO, you have to remember LaVine is an atrocious defender.

DARKO has LaVine as a 0.7 guy and Fox as a 3 guy for what it's worth. LaVine is also almost 30 with bad knees, theres a reason he had no value on the trade market.
 

cheech13

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 5, 2006
1,733
The Kings don’t want to rebuild so turning a guy who was leaving into LaVine isn’t the worst outcome. He hasn’t been that bad this year.
 

BigSoxFan

Member
SoSH Member
May 31, 2007
49,859
Price seems a little light to me, I guess Fox only has 1.5 years left on his current deal.

Really nice get for SA and a good fit with Wemby.

They are probably getting close to being a contender now, maybe 1 guy away.
Yup. And still have tons of assets to make another major deal.

2025 Spurs & Hawks (unprotected)
2026 Best of Hawks/Spurs
2027 Hawks (unprotected)
 

RorschachsMask

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 23, 2011
7,260
Lynn
Since I’ve made it clear for weeks I’d love this for the Spurs, let’s talk about the Kings. With the caveat that obviously they aren’t a championship team, I really like Lavine for the them, he’s great both on and off ball, which matters with Sabonis, and he’s just crazy efficient. +8 on/off overall, the Bulls offense just craters without him, from 117 to 108.

I don’t care about the Bulls part of it.
 
Last edited:

wade boggs chicken dinner

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 26, 2005
33,879
The details matter but I don't understand what Sacramento is doing overall. I would have expected them to receive more NBA ready talent given the rest of their roster.
They basically traded Fox for LaVine, added some draft picks, and got some salary relief for Huerter. They also were probably doing Fox a solid since it's hard enough getting guys to play in SAC. Not great but not terrible considering Fox really wanted to go to SAS.

Obligatory DARKO comparison (though I'm surprised LaVine isn't higher given how efficient he has been shooting the ball this year, unless DARKO thinks his defense is worse than we do):

95810
 

radsoxfan

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 9, 2009
14,943
Obligatory DARKO comparison (though I'm surprised LaVine isn't higher given how efficient he has been shooting the ball this year, unless DARKO thinks his defense is worse than we do):
Who is "we"? :)

His defense is terrible, he is hunted all game and gives minimal effort.

There is no comparison at all between Fox and LaVine when you factor in age, health, and defense.

One guy is worth a lot and one guy is worth next to nothing.
 

osori

Member
SoSH Member
Oct 8, 2009
2,711
The entertainment value of this trade-deadline so far is off the roof.
 

RorschachsMask

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 23, 2011
7,260
Lynn
They basically traded Fox for LaVine, added some draft picks, and got some salary relief for Huerter. They also were probably doing Fox a solid since it's hard enough getting guys to play in SAC. Not great but not terrible considering Fox really wanted to go to SAS.

Obligatory DARKO comparison (though I'm surprised LaVine isn't higher given how efficient he has been shooting the ball this year, unless DARKO thinks his defense is worse than we do):

View attachment 95810
FWIW, EPM (which, along with DPM, is considered the cream of the advanced stats crop) has Lavine at +2.0, and Fox +1.4.
 

nattysez

Member
SoSH Member
Sep 30, 2010
9,735
The entertainment value of this trade-deadline so far is off the roof.
I have to assume Vucevic is going to get moved, and the Bulls might want to see what they can get for Lonzo and Giddey.

And James Butler and Brandon Ingram (and Zion) are still hanging around.