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This seems odd, no? I would have expected them to go, too.
This seems odd, no? I would have expected them to go, too.
Well, they're "advisors" ... so, if no one asks for their advice, they can just hang around for a few weeksView: https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo/status/1170923442360766466
This seems odd, no? I would have expected them to go, too.
They fired Ben soon after a WS victory too. To paraphrase Walpole Joe Morgan, this job isn't as desirable as the braintrust thinks it is.Who would want this job? Deliver a WS. Have an off year with incredible financial handcuffs and get fired?
Maybe it's more JWH is tired of taking grief from the minority owners, so they play polo with DD's head.Cora might’ve just won a power struggle, for one.
Guessing there are people they want to talk to now and they don't want to have to lie to reporters and to DD.Wow crazy. Just do it in the off-season. Makes the season even more bizarre and annoying
Why wait though? If owners know DD is out why would they want him involved in daily meetings, briefings, and be involved in any future planning? Once a decision is made just be done with it and move forward.Wow crazy. Just do it in the off-season. Makes the season even more bizarre and annoying
Chaim Bloom is the TB guy who was aced out for the Mets job by smooth-talking Brodie last winter, he is back to the Rays now as some kind of VP and probably available.There must’ve been something behind the scenes to lead to this happening now.
Who’s out there the Sox should be looking at?
Roster Resource is off. For example, the Red Sox are not paying Cashner's full salary (Orioles kicked in a lot), and they certainly aren't paying Chacin $6.75 million.This is from the MLBTradeRumors piece on this, is this really true about Boston’s current 2019 luxury tax number? I thought the reason they couldn’t add salary all year was they were just under $246M but if they are really over already, then I’m confused.
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Multiple issues surrounded the 2019 Red Sox, which were seemingly enough for upper management to decide that a change was needed. For one, the team exceeded the upper level of the luxury tax ($237MM) in 2018, and are again in position to exceed the new upper threshold of $246MM this season. As per Roster Resource, the Red Sox have a projected luxury tax number of over $257.7MM, putting them in line to face another maximum penalty — a 75 percent tax on the overage, as well as a drop of ten spots for their highest pick of the 2020 draft.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/09/red-sox-part-ways-with-dave-dombrowski.html
I really didn't like the hiring of Dombrowski to begin with and I didn't think much of bringing La Russa and Wren on board, either.This seems odd, no? I would have expected them to go, too.
To me the weakness is the lack of stockpiling of young international players. NY is exceptionally good and focused on this in recent years but as a comparison, right now Fangraphs has NY with 40 prospects rated 40 or better, 23 of those are their own international signings. BOS has 23 prospects 40 or better, only 8 of those their own international signings.People keep saying the farm system is in shambles, but who did DD trade away that we’re missing now? Is it just poor drafting?
Also the talent drain of the farm system wasn't just trades, it was also the players that graduated to the major league level and are now core players. And IMO he did a fairly good job choosing who to keep and who to trade.People keep saying the farm system is in shambles, but who did DD trade away that we’re missing now? Is it just poor drafting?
Yes ministerI’m guessing Humphrey was being sarcastic.
Part of that is probably the sanctions they faced '16/'17 for the '15/'16 international signing period. Not all of it, but some.To me the weakness is the lack of stockpiling of young international players. NY is exceptionally good and focused on this in recent years but as a comparison, right now Fangraphs has NY with 40 prospects rated 40 or better, 23 of those are their own international signings. BOS has 23 prospects 40 or better, only 8 of those their own international signings.
https://www.fangraphs.com/prospects/the-board/2019-in-season-prospect-list/summary?sort=-1,1&team=bos&pos=&filter=
https://www.fangraphs.com/prospects/the-board/2019-in-season-prospect-list/summary?sort=-1,1&team=nyy&pos=&filter=
This was my first thought, too. I think this season was always going to be a bit of a drag after how incredible last season was.... and it has definitely turned out to be true, as a lot of teams around the Sox got better, while they basically stood pat, and got worse, but they are sitting 10 games above .500 right now (and would be just a 1/2 game out in the NL), and had hope, albeit diminishing, into mid-August.What can't get lost here is, while this was a frustrating season for the Red Sox, they weren't terrible.
Dombrowski did exactly what he was hired to do when the Sox brought him on board in the summer of 2015. He traded prospects for veteran talent. He signed big name free agents. He threw around contract extensions like fun-sized Halloween candies. He ignored draft and development. And he ignored a lot of the people who worked at Fenway Park.
The Sox won every year until this year. And each season, Dombrowski became more isolated inside the walls of Fenway. He holed up with his buddies Frank Wren and Tony La Russa. He insisted that Sam Kennedy have zero input on all baseball decisions and never clicked with the “new” CEO. Dombrowski was not particularly close to the people in baseball ops. Or Tom Werner.
In the end, Dombrowski did not have much support from Alex Cora. No one in a Sox uniform was happy last week in Anaheim when Dombrowski failed to bring major league arms to California after a 15-inning win on a Friday night at the Big A. The next night, Cora was forced to call on weary, worn-out Ryan Brasier in relief of a critical game. Brasier blew a 4-3 lead, giving up six runs in the eighth inning. It was front office malpractice. Things were coming to a head.
When the team came home from the coast to play the Twins and Yankees, Dombrowski wanted clarity on his situation, and that clarity came after the Sox’ 10-5 loss to the Yankees late Sunday night.
The Sox are like Taylor Swift. Can’t anybody ever leave without weird gossip thrown at their backs?
But there was a reason he left a wreck in Detroit. Owner Mike Ilitch was ill and dying and ordered a series of "go for it now" moves in an effort to win a WS before his death. That's not really DD's fault.It's always hard for someone to see, one year after a World Series win.
One thing I've always been worried about with DD is the wreck he left Detroit in after he left. I have feared we'd be that wreck in two or three years. No minor league system, with long term ageing stars on premium contracts.
We can't judge this without seeing the next stage but it does seem like the next step will be a forward one.
What can't get lost here is, while this was a frustrating season for the Red Sox, they weren't terrible.
That was my thought. He was under contract for 2020 only and wanted an extension and JWH didn't want to give him an extension, so this was the logical progressionWhen the team came home from the coast to play the Twins and Yankees, Dombrowski wanted clarity on his situation, and that clarity came after the Sox’ 10-5 loss to the Yankees late Sunday night.
They don’t handle these things gracefully or well. They didn’t under Harrington; they don’t under Henry. Lucchino was a prick, but it goes beyond him. And I don’t understand, in particular, the compulsion to make Shaughnessy their Thomas Paine. You never win the PR battle.The Sox are like Taylor Swift. Can’t anybody ever leave without weird gossip thrown at their backs?
So which one of us gets the job?I imagine GM/head of Sox baseball ops is one of the most highly sought after job in all of baseball. There wil be no shortage of very qualified candidates
Ostensibly, the lesson learned from Liverpool is thy you need to identify the best possible candidate, move decisively to nab him/her, and then provide him/her the resources they request to do the job. Jurgen Klopp has transformed Liverpool into one of the best squads in the world.Maybe owning a European soccer club has rubbed off on Henry. Those guys don't think twice about firing management after disappointing seasons.
To clarify, are you suggesting that the Sox fired Dombrowski based on something CHB wrote?Because executing an idea cooked up by CHB is always a good idea...ugh this is a mistake.