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DennyDoyle'sBoil

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I’m not sure how a team meeting improves the roster.
Team meetings and smashing phones are bullshit. They make no difference and never have.

You either hit run and catch or you don't. We're playing the best team in baseball and they could have 40 team meetings but if they played another 100, the Rays would win a significant majority of them.
 

Salem's Lot

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Team meetings and smashing phones are bullshit. They make no difference and never have.

You either hit run and catch or you don't. We're playing the best team in baseball and they could have 40 team meetings but if they played another 100, the Rays would win a significant majority of them.
Exactly. You either have the horses or you don’t.
 

pk1627

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Rays are really good. Scored runs without the home run. Sox played them fairly tough, but there’s a gap. This Sox team is significantly better than last year and there’s plenty of season to get a WC.
 

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When you look at Tampa's success, with their anemic payroll... you gotta fuckin wonder if any one of us could do better than Bloom.
The Rays had a lot of lean years while they were developing their program. I’m sure they would have loved to win a World Series 5 years ago.
 

DeadlySplitter

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The fuck was that Jarren

Man, was hoping what was turning into an extended breakout was real, but guess not.
 

DeadlySplitter

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Rays are really good. Scored runs without the home run. Sox played them fairly tough, but there’s a gap. This Sox team is significantly better than last year and there’s plenty of season to get a WC.
There's time but with Texas & Baltimore breaking out, they are significantly out in that race right now. It might take 92 wins and this team isn't sniffing that number.
 

LynnRice75

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Starting to think the Sox will do better without my poems.
Or maybe they’re just leaving me uninspired.
Back to 500. Fresh start tomorrow I guess.
 

Ale Xander

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Rays are really good. Scored runs without the home run. Sox played them fairly tough, but there’s a gap. This Sox team is significantly better than last year and there’s plenty of season to get a WC.
How do you figure?
AL West probably gonna have one WC team (Hou/Tex) and 3 of TBR/Balmer/Taranna/MFY gonna make it (The other 2 WC)
 

teddywingman

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Chaim, who you seem to not like, was the GM of the Sox the last time they met the Rays in the postseason. And guess who won?
What was his payroll then?

What I'm starting to believe, or have become convinced of, is that Bloom was lucky to have a better staff around him in Tampa. A staff more talented than the one he has currently assembled.

This team sucks. Oh... but don't worry... there's some 22 year old kids coming to save the day. Next year. Or the year after.
 

chrisfont9

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There's time but with Texas & Baltimore breaking out, they are significantly out in that race right now. It might take 92 wins and this team isn't sniffing that number.
I was optimistic about hitting that number but it seems like the pressure of injuries concentrated initially all in the starting rotation, and now all in the middle of the defense, is producing cracks. They papered over the injuries for a while but that can only work for so long.
 

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What was his payroll then?

What I'm starting to believe, or have become convinced of, is that Bloom was lucky to have a better staff around him in Tampa. A staff more talented than the one he has currently assembled.

This team sucks. Oh... but don't worry... there's some 22 year old kids coming to save the day. Next year. Or the year after.
Well that's the existential question, how good is the current FO at evaluating talent. They've had hits and misses. Tampa seems to lead the league in evaluation/development hits every year (although they still haven't won a title). That would be nice to pull off. But the Sox don't need to be better than Tampa at evaluating and rehabilitating prospects. They need to be close enough so that when they recover their full spending power they can blow past them. Obviously they couldn't do that last winter, and even if they did, Carlos Rodon isn't changing anyone's outlook too dramatically. But that will shift maybe this winter? tbd.
 

DeadlySplitter

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There's no doubt our pitching pipeline is vastly inferior to Tampa's and that is most of the gap. One that can't be bridged right away by one person. It's been bad for 10+ years now and it's hard to see an end in sight.

The current hope is that Mayer, Yorke and Rafaela pan out and/or you trade the right pieces for better pitching at some point. I don't think the answer is even in AAA right now, talked about kids like Brandon Walter and Bryan Mata have regressed this year.
 

Blizzard of 1978

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What was his payroll then?

What I'm starting to believe, or have become convinced of, is that Bloom was lucky to have a better staff around him in Tampa. A staff more talented than the one he has currently assembled.

This team sucks. Oh... but don't worry... there's some 22 year old kids coming to save the day. Next year. Or the year after.
Exactly Chaim never ran Tampa. He was only the assistant there. Erik Neander and Peter Bendix ran it. Surprised we always get the story from the media that Bloom was in charge. Truth is it's Erik Neander. Bloom was his assistant.
 

OurF'ingCity

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What was his payroll then?

What I'm starting to believe, or have become convinced of, is that Bloom was lucky to have a better staff around him in Tampa. A staff more talented than the one he has currently assembled.

This team sucks. Oh... but don't worry... there's some 22 year old kids coming to save the day. Next year. Or the year after.
This team doesn’t suck. It’s just very mediocre. Sometimes mediocre is enough to squeak into the playoffs (if the Sox were in the AL Central they’d be a game out of first place) but not in this division.

It’s frustrating to watch but does anyone really think if this team were on, say, an 87 or 90 win pace instead of 81 they’d be legitimate playoff threats? This was always another rebuilding year.
 

chrisfont9

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There's no doubt our pitching pipeline is vastly inferior to Tampa's and that is most of the gap. One that can't be bridged right away by one person. It's been bad for 10+ years now and it's hard to see an end in sight.

The current hope is that Mayer, Yorke and Rafaela pan out and/or you trade the right pieces for better pitching at some point. I don't think the answer is even in AAA right now, talked about kids like Brandon Walter and Bryan Mata have regressed this year.
Sox title winners were mostly built around pitching that was acquired at the major league level, no? If you clear enough payroll you can go that route again. In some ways it's the safest route given the attrition rates among pitching prospects.
 
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I was optimistic about hitting that number but it seems like the pressure of injuries concentrated initially all in the starting rotation, and now all in the middle of the defense, is producing cracks. They papered over the injuries for a while but that can only work for so long.
We doing the injury excuse again already?
 

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The more empty seats and plodding months that go by at Fenway the more I’m convinced the Sox ownership is going to push all their chips into the middle of the table of Ohtani.

Most people pop-poo the idea but if this team wins 75-80 and Fenway is lifeless for much of the year, it’s happening (probably).

The one thing that they have right now is more payroll flexibility down the road then some of their bigger spending competitors. And tbere probably factoring on some of these AA kids to be nice cheap pieces to the roster to help balance things out for their first 4-5 years of their careers while they are paying Ohtani a kings ransom
 

Blizzard of 1978

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The more empty seats and plodding months that go by at Fenway the more I’m convinced the Sox ownership is going to push all their chips into the middle of the table of Ohtani.

Most people pop-poo the idea but if this team wins 75-80 and Fenway is lifeless for much of the year, it’s happening (probably).

The one thing that they have right now is more payroll flexibility down the road then some of their bigger spending competitors. And tbere probably factoring on some of these AA kids to be nice cheap pieces to the roster to help balance things out for their first 4-5 years of their careers while they are paying Ohtani a kings ransom
I really agree with your Ohtani theory. Kluber And Hernandez alone is 20 million savings next year. Hope they pull it off.
 

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The more empty seats and plodding months that go by at Fenway the more I’m convinced the Sox ownership is going to push all their chips into the middle of the table of Ohtani.

Most people pop-poo the idea but if this team wins 75-80 and Fenway is lifeless for much of the year, it’s happening (probably).

The one thing that they have right now is more payroll flexibility down the road then some of their bigger spending competitors. And tbere probably factoring on some of these AA kids to be nice cheap pieces to the roster to help balance things out for their first 4-5 years of their careers while they are paying Ohtani a kings ransom
This might be an interesting thread on its own. My main question about Ohtani is whether he's going to be a two way player for most of his career. Paying him $50M/year to be a 33-43 year old DH seems like a real risk.
 

strek1

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Have they developed a homegrown star pitcher post-Lester?
I’m trying to think
I know, it's annoying as hell. The scouts seem to have a real problem picking the right people and developing them. You'd they would have almost gotten a good one by accident in all this time.