Agree with all of that.Cancel for now, figure out the rest later. Play tomorrow, call it a tie--whatever--but make the obvious call now.
Let the people in the stands go home.
Agree with all of that.Cancel for now, figure out the rest later. Play tomorrow, call it a tie--whatever--but make the obvious call now.
Let the people in the stands go home.
who gives a FUCKCancel? Postpone? Big playoff implications and while everyone is sympathetic today and of course it’s all that matters it will be a shitshow if the first round bye is affected by this
That was probably the refs, it’s probably league protocolThe only thing I know for sure is that whoever thought it was a good idea to try and restart the game after five minutes is a fucking moron.
My son plays lacrosse, and last year they upgraded the chest protection requirements to better protect the heart from commotio cordis.A blow to the chest can cause sudden, cardiac death. It’s called commotio cordis. Essentially, the trauma causes a brief electrical spike. If it happens during a particular point of the cardiac cycle, it can stop the heart immediately. It is much much more common in young children due to the increased compliance of the chest wall. Most cases that I’ve ever heard of occur with a strike to the sternum, usually a punch or a ball – like in baseball or lacrosse.
It’s extremely rare. Only about 10 to 20 cases a year are reported. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a case in anyone over the age of 20 years of age. Every case I’ve heard of, or attended to, involved baseball. I would think shoulder pads would prevent the anterior chest from this type of injury. Resuscitation was historically, dismal, but that is improved with better recognition. There is some speculation that certain individuals are more predisposed given a possible long QT syndrome. The variables that are necessary for this to occur, include the velocity and timing of the incident. Without going into the specifics of the cardiac electrical cycle and repolarization, the most common underlying dysrhythmias include long QT syndrome, and a condition called Brugada syndrome.
A blow to the chest does transmit electrical activity through the chest wall into the heart. Whenever I’m at the bedside and a patient’s heart stops the quickest way I have to get it restarted is a thump, essentially a punch into the chest of the patient. It is thought that a normal punch to the chest confers, approximately 2-5 J of energy.
No one really, but this is what we do here. They will have to figure something out.who gives a FUCK
I thought they suspended the game and resumed it the next day.They resumed play when Danish soccer player Christian Eriksen collapsed and received CPR and an AED on the field a couple years ago just before halftime. They didn't know he was stable until after the match ended.
I don't have much faith in the NFL being better in these circumstances.
Appreciate the insight. Also thankful there are people like you who have been through the trenches and developed the quickest way to restart a heart.A blow to the chest can cause sudden, cardiac death. It’s called commotio cordis. Essentially, the trauma causes a brief electrical spike. If it happens during a particular point of the cardiac cycle, it can stop the heart immediately. It is much much more common in young children due to the increased compliance of the chest wall. Most cases that I’ve ever heard of occur with a strike to the sternum, usually a punch or a ball – like in baseball or lacrosse.
It’s extremely rare. Only about 10 to 20 cases a year are reported. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a case in anyone over the age of 20 years of age. Every case I’ve heard of, or attended to, involved baseball. I would think shoulder pads would prevent the anterior chest from this type of injury. Resuscitation was historically, dismal, but that is improved with better recognition. There is some speculation that certain individuals are more predisposed given a possible long QT syndrome. The variables that are necessary for this to occur, include the velocity and timing of the incident. Without going into the specifics of the cardiac electrical cycle and repolarization, the most common underlying dysrhythmias include long QT syndrome, and a condition called Brugada syndrome.
A blow to the chest does transmit electrical activity through the chest wall into the heart. Whenever I’m at the bedside and a patient’s heart stops the quickest way I have to get it restarted is a thump, essentially a punch into the chest of the patient. It is thought that a normal punch to the chest confers, approximately 2-5 J of energy.
My guess is he’ll do whatever they say. Probably procedural as he’s the only one who can officially do anything.So the decision WILL be from Goodell after talking to the teams...
The owners. Goodell is still just their employee. Bills and Bengals owners should be calling this off ASAP. Waiting to see if the guy lives to make the call is gross.I hate Roger but to be fair who equipped to make this decision?
The signal-to-noise is obviously terrible, but without Twitter most of us wouldn’t have access to what appears to be the only real source of information out there — a guy from the local Fox affiliate in Cincinnati who I can only assume took the time to get to know a bunch of working stiffs around the stadium, and therefore had information that we obviously weren’t meant to have. Which of course might be less than the full picture, but it’s something.Agree, particularly in regards to Twitter.
Yep, this.My guess is he’ll do whatever they say. Probably procedural as he’s the only one who can officially do anything.
Completely agreeMy guess is he’ll do whatever they say. Probably procedural as he’s the only one who can officially do anything.
Yeah, what's so complicated about this?Just call it a tie and send everyone home.
Ah, I had it wrong--resumed later the same day.I thought they suspended the game and resumed it the next day.
Not familiar with Mike Brown I seeThe owners. Goodell is still just their employee. Bills and Bengals owners should be calling this off ASAP. Waiting to see if the guy lives to make the call is gross.
Why does the decision need to be made quickly?The owners. Goodell is still just their employee. Bills and Bengals owners should be calling this off ASAP. Waiting to see if the guy lives to make the call is gross.
That's wrong: Eriksen collapsed at 5:43pm; the Danish FA published the news that Eriksen was alive, in hospital and stabilised at 6:32pm; the game resumed at 7:30pm (timeline here). Even then the Danes thought it was a bad decision, but they did know their teammate was stable.They resumed play when Danish soccer player Christian Eriksen collapsed and received CPR and an AED on the field a couple years ago just before halftime. They didn't know he was stable until after the match ended.
I don't have much faith in the NFL being better in these circumstances.
Presumably they’d get a full warmupEven if they decided to play, they going to start at 10:30pm and have players cold after 90 min off and get more people hurt?
Yeah. I would imagine that *if* the players wanted to play tomorrow, since they were only 5 minutes or so in, that is likely possible.Even if they decided to play, they going to start at 10:30pm and have players cold after 90 min off and get more people hurt?
I agree with this. If it turns out he's going to be fine, I can see the players managing to shake this off and continue.Why does the decision need to be made quickly?
It seems unlikely at this point, but if we got word an hour from now that Hamlin is going to be ok, I wouldn’t be surprised if both teams wanted to play.
They want to keep the gate too. Can't forget that.Why does the decision need to be made quickly?
It seems unlikely at this point, but if we got word an hour from now that Hamlin is going to be ok, I wouldn’t be surprised if both teams wanted to play.
Yeah, that's concerning, Seeing what we saw, they are not holding up the ambulance for a second longer than necessary.All this speculation is just that, useless. He could also be dead and they’re getting his mom.
Given the on-the-fly stuff done during Covid, maybe they resume the game on Wednesday, even early like 11 AM.Even if they decided to play, they going to start at 10:30pm and have players cold after 90 min off and get more people hurt?
The only thing I know for sure is that whoever thought it was a good idea to try and restart the game after five minutes is a fucking moron.
From the TV coverage, it looked like Zac Taylor was the voice of reason — he called two officials over to him, then they went over and spoke to McDermott, then both teams left the field.That was probably the refs, it’s probably league protocol
that’s what I was thinking. Hope to be wrongI hate that I’m speculating. But if he was responsive, we would have gotten that report by now.
I remember the Eriksen situation well, and by this much time elapsed we were at least getting some very small positive reports.
He's an NFL owner, so I think I have him fairly pegged.Not familiar with Mike Brown I see
Why? Because it's the right thing to do, isn't that obvious? These players are shaken to their core, they aren't going to be in the right mindset to go out and play after waiting an hour to find out if a teammate is alive.Why does the decision need to be made quickly?
It seems unlikely at this point, but if we got word an hour from now that Hamlin is going to be ok, I wouldn’t be surprised if both teams wanted to play.
They’ll get the gate when the game resumes, whether that’s later tonight or another time.They want to keep the gate too. Can't forget that.
Doubt it. I have money on the game - Cincinatti +4 in fact… I really don’t care about the bet right now. Anyone who does is a selfish POSMillions of bettors and fans will give a fuck.