Damar Hamlin is headed home to Buffalo!

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Call 911! Let the chest rebound, use your core not arms to push, 100-120 compressions a minute. Use other people if available, you will get Tired quicker than you would expect. You end up looking like you played pickup basketball after 5 minutes of CPR. Hard and Fast until help arrives.
It’s been a while, but as I recall you are supposed to go to the beat of Staying Alive (or Another One Bites the Dust if you’re morbid). Is that still true?
 

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Mostly always, but if I go in for a Covid test, for example, and it comes out positive, that's not good.
I interpreted it as promising meaning positive for Hamlin's outlook. Not "positive" in a bad context like some kind of test for a virus, infection, etc.

IANAD but my thought was the promising readings is whatever is coming back from the tests doctors do to determine brain function after something like this, but I could be pulling that from medical drama's on TV which isn't based in reality.
 

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It’s been a while, but as I recall you are supposed to go to the beat of Staying Alive (or Another One Bites the Dust if you’re morbid). Is that still true?
From upthread:
As a teacher, I recertify every two years for CPR. It's usually less than two hours depending on the size of the group. They way they explain it, you want to flatten the heart with compressions, so it is strenuous. The dummies they use have a light that comes on once you have the right amount of pressure. Compress to the beat of 'Stayin' Alive', The Office episode is actually correct about that.
 

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It’s been a while, but as I recall you are supposed to go to the beat of Staying Alive (or Another One Bites the Dust if you’re morbid). Is that still true?
Either are good for tempo, but try to refrain from humming them...

There is actually a CPR spotify list.

Another great thing is to throw a CPR metronome app on your phone for pacing.
 

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It’s been a while, but as I recall you are supposed to go to the beat of Staying Alive (or Another One Bites the Dust if you’re morbid). Is that still true?
"I Will Survive" should work, too.

(Though it's a touch faster and would probably be a bit more tiring. It's about 112-117 bpm.)
 

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I interpreted it as promising meaning positive for Hamlin's outlook. Not "positive" in a bad context like some kind of test for a virus, infection, etc.

IANAD but my thought was the promising readings is whatever is coming back from the tests doctors do to determine brain function after something like this, but I could be pulling that from medical drama's on TV which isn't based in reality.
It did sound like some good news. Everything had been quiet since Damar went into the hospital.
 

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I'm missing something. I see the words promising and progress in Harvey's tweet, but not the word positive. Must admit no coffee yet this morning.
Presumably they did some of the neuro exam CPT Neuron nicely laid out and got responses indicating brain activity.

Potentially he got a CT/MRI of his brain that didn’t show any massive anoxic stroke. Sometimes a radionuclide nuclear medicine study is also done to look for blood flow to the brain.

I suppose other “good news” at this point could be related to improving lung function or function of other organs. While this is important in the short term and the actionable items they can treat now, almost certainly the critical long term question is about his neurologic status.
 
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Within the Jewish faith, 18 is “chai” and signifies life. The “3” is Damar Hamlin’s number.

Beautiful gesture. View: https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/1610477513725169666/photo/1
View: https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/1610477513725169666/photo/1
Some other names now appearing:

Schefter:$1,003
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Drake London: $2k
Michael Phelps: $2k
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It’s been a while, but as I recall you are supposed to go to the beat of Staying Alive (or Another One Bites the Dust if you’re morbid). Is that still true?
I never connected the title of the song to the act of CPR until seeing this juxtaposition. Just thought that it was a good BPM.

Yeah let's stick with the Bee Gees tune over the Queen song.
 

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Somewhat off topic, but since it was discussed here, Sharpe getting ripshit at Skip was a sight to behold

View: https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/1610651056622518272?s=20&t=o4rGUNIkm523Mmsuv5i35g
I'm all for properly directed outrage at the gladiator component of professional football and the NFL in general. And I know that nuance is not a thing with social media.

But [he says with great trepidation] . . . am I the only one reading Bayless's tweet differently from how it's being construed publicly?

I read him as saying, they will just go on with this because that's what people do and the NFL is show must go on, but it all just seems so irrelevant given what we just saw.

He misred what would happen -- the show did not go on. But why is everyone reading "which suddenly seems so irrelevant" right out of the tweet? It was the whole purpose of the tweet.
 

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I'm all for properly directed outrage at the gladiator component of professional football and the NFL in general. And I know that nuance is not a thing with social media.

But [he says with great trepidation] . . . am I the only one reading Bayless's tweet differently from how it's being construed publicly?

I read him as saying, they will just go on with this because that's what people do and the NFL is show must go on, but it all just seems so irrelevant given what we just saw.

He misred what would happen -- the show did not go on. But why is everyone reading "which suddenly seems so irrelevant" right out of the tweet? It was the whole purpose of the tweet.
You're not the only one. I read it the same. I just think everyone was reading all the tweets that said "Don't even think about the game", and Skip's didn't fit. Plus, he's low hanging fruit for this kind of stuff.
 

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I'm all for properly directed outrage at the gladiator component of professional football and the NFL in general. And I know that nuance is not a thing with social media.

But [he says with great trepidation] . . . am I the only one reading Bayless's tweet differently from how it's being construed publicly?

I read him as saying, they will just go on with this because that's what people do and the NFL is show must go on, but it all just seems so irrelevant given what we just saw.

He misred what would happen -- the show did not go on. But why is everyone reading "which suddenly seems so irrelevant" right out of the tweet? It was the whole purpose of the tweet.
Because if twitter junta includes that last line, it takes a lot of the steam out their performative outrage. Which is the whole point.
 

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I read him as saying, they will just go on with this because that's what people do and the NFL is show must go on, but it all just seems so irrelevant given what we just saw.

He misred what would happen -- the show did not go on.
I'll give him the benefit of doubt but it didn't really read that way to me.

Skip's quote:
No doubt the NFL is considering postponing the rest of this game - but how? This late in the season, a game of this magnitude is crucial to the regular-season outcome ... which suddenly seems so irrelevant.
Skip does not seem to be talking about them resuming the game. Skip's says the are discussing postponing the game and asking how? Mentions how crucial the game is. The magnitude of it. The "...... which suddenly seems so irrelevant" almost seems like an afterthought he just threw in.

If Skip said the NFL is considering resuming the game then no one bats an eye. Everyone agrees. Now, I'm not killing him for it and will give him the benefit of the doubt and accept his clarification. Calk it up to heat of the moment, rush to get something out and social media not always the best forum. But this is Skip Bayless and reputation does matter so yes he's going to take some flak. Sometimes it's better to wait and reflect before posting or saying something, even if you are in the media.




On a semi-related media note, Hamlin family asks those that are criticizing Higgins to stop. I know Bart Scott, for one, thought Higgins lowered his helmet and that the NFL should and likely now will be penalizing those plays more often. Seemed fairly regular shoulder contact to me.
View: https://twitter.com/rachelhopmayer/status/1610655962322403339?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1610655962322403339%7Ctwgr%5E97c37ee94ef7fed7be825c55d64ac4c54deb4f53%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cincinnati.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2F2023%2F01%2F04%2Fdamar-hamlin-family-bengals-tee-higgins-nfl-cincinnati-bengals-football-ohio%2F69777135007%2F
 
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Are they unable to monitor brain functionality at this point or is it just not a priority?
He will likely be heavily sedated just by being on a ventilator. Also, the oxygen requirements of the brain are reduced by being in a medication induced coma and perhaps even by deliberately achieving a state of hypothermia, also reducing brain oxygen requirements. So hard to assess mental status and brain function this early. There are some pretty good clues though... corneal reflexes, response to painful stimuli etc.
 

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On a semi-related media note, Hamlin family asks those that are criticizing Higgins to stop. I know Bart Scott, for one, thought Higgins lowered his helmet and that the NFL should and likely now will be penalizing those plays more often. Seemed fairly regular shoulder contact to me.
View: https://twitter.com/rachelhopmayer/status/1610655962322403339?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1610655962322403339%7Ctwgr%5E97c37ee94ef7fed7be825c55d64ac4c54deb4f53%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cincinnati.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2F2023%2F01%2F04%2Fdamar-hamlin-family-bengals-tee-higgins-nfl-cincinnati-bengals-football-ohio%2F69777135007%2F
The more I hear about this kid the more tragic it all feels, he sounds like a genuinely good person.
 

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Skip Bayless deserves zero benefit of the doubt or charitable interpretations. He’s a massive asshole. He loves acting like an asshole. He gets paid handsomely to be an asshole. You can always count on anything he says or writes to be precisely what an asshole would think.
 

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So this 6+ min segment on a cleveland sports talk show seems to be spreading like crazy. Dez Bryant, Chase Edmonds and Micah Parsons are just two names I saw after taking a quick glance at the Quote tweets
View: https://twitter.com/ultCLEsports/status/1610638003990573056


Its insane how screwed many of these players are given how short of a career many have.
View: https://twitter.com/crushboy31/status/1610782737866305536?s=46&t=eaWkkTYtgtaO53qgaDwZ-Q

View: https://twitter.com/chaseedmonds22/status/1610796874356895744?s=46&t=oUvpnGKun_bTG5FAIygREg
 
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Great rant, very powerful stuff.

It’s insane how the MLBPA has so much power compared to the NFLPA when the sport is so much more incredibly dangerous.
 

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I assume it’s partly because the sport is so dangerous and careers are so short that bargaining power is less.
 

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Skip Bayless deserves zero benefit of the doubt or charitable interpretations. He’s a massive asshole. He loves acting like an asshole. He gets paid handsomely to be an asshole. You can always count on anything he says or writes to be precisely what an asshole would think.
Yeah he’s an asshole but I don’t see where he even needs any benefit of the doubt as their should be no doubt in what he was conveying……that the game was irrelevant.
 

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I assume it’s partly because the sport is so dangerous and careers are so short that bargaining power is less.
Yah. This seems to be one of the main reasons the NFLPA is one of the weakest sports unions.

like you said. Careers are already extremely short for most players already, and a large majority of them would not be able to afford going on strike and wiping out an entire season.

MLB/NBA players on the other hand can take that chance.
 

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Great rant, very powerful stuff.

It’s insane how the MLBPA has so much power compared to the NFLPA when the sport is so much more incredibly dangerous.
As always, if you want to feel the opposite of powerful stuff, read the comments.

"He should buy insurance". "No one forced him play football". Fucking bootlicking cretins.

Ugh.
 

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Apologies if I missed it, but could we have a member here give a CPR breakdown?

I took a class 25 years ago to obtain a guide license, and I did some google the other night, but honestly I think a summation here might be best.
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Decent training video on hands only cpr

AHA hands only 2 min video

Full AHA BLS certification

Call 911! Let the chest rebound, use your core not arms to push, 100-120 compressions a minute. Use other people if available, you will get Tired quicker than you would expect. You end up looking like you played pickup basketball after 5 minutes of CPR. Hard and Fast until help arrives.
It’s been a while, but as I recall you are supposed to go to the beat of Staying Alive (or Another One Bites the Dust if you’re morbid). Is that still true?
"I Will Survive" should work, too.

(Though it's a touch faster and would probably be a bit more tiring. It's about 112-117 bpm.)
I never connected the title of the song to the act of CPR until seeing this juxtaposition. Just thought that it was a good BPM.

Yeah let's stick with the Bee Gees tune over the Queen song.
Another former EMS instructor here and, given the interest, I wanted to emphasize the most important thing that @Valek123 mentioned that could easily be missed: core.

This is a sports board, yeah? So we know that people easily get distracted by the movements of the appendages when the real power comes from the core. So the issue isn’t really the tempo, but:

Leverage.

The problem with the videos is that they don’t generally explain how to get on that musical rhythm. The point is, you don’t do it with your arms. When you kneel there, don’t squat down on your ankles and try to push with your arms; as @Valek123 indicates, you’ll exhaust yourself trying to do this with your arms, and you’ll likely get focused on getting the numbers in rather than on making sure that the compressions are deep enough to actually be moving blood—the point isn’t number of reps, it’s about blood movement.

Hips up, arms extended, lean over the patient and bend at the hips; let your body weight do the work.

Basic sports understanding of athletic exertion 101. You can’t do squats in the gym really fast if you’re doing them correctly, yeah? If you do them correctly, deeply enough to move blood, the pace actually comes quite naturally; if you can do them faster, it means you’re not doing them right.

And if you’re not letting your body weight do the work and rather trying to muscle it with your arms, you will get wiped out quick, and probably not accomplish much. It’s why so many of those videos bother me: They show proper technique, but often visualize the arms and then don’t explain the mechanics from the hip—the animated video that was the second @Valek123 posted is a prime example of that, where the person is doing it right, but doesn’t explain and leads with a misleading and incorrect usage of arms (i.e. the angle; arms should be close to vertical so that you can use body weight rather than muscle exertion.)

My high school had a CPR certification requirement for graduation. I used to think that was kinda cool. Now that I’m older, I’d upgrade it to a First Responder certification, but only because I think a full EMT Basic would be too hard a roe to hoe… ;)

But imagine how cool and revolutionary for our society that would be… if everyone had EMS training?
 

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I had no idea about the amount of compressions per minute. I'm pretty sure the technique I remember from 1998 was quite different.
“Fewer.”

Joking aside, the issue is more about depth than rate. Like, if you tell me you did 10 compressions in a given amount of time versus 100, that doesn’t tell me how much work you actually did with respect to moving the blood flow in the patient without reference to how deep the compressions are.

You’re not trying to hit numbers of compressions per minute, you’re trying to pump blood. And, again, if you use your body weight and work from the hip, the rhythm comes naturally; it’s actually hard to do it either too fast or too slow with that technique, assuming some rhythm.

The real hard part is if their rib cage breaks, because you have to keep going.

That’s the discipline.
 
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I assume it’s partly because the sport is so dangerous and careers are so short that bargaining power is less.
This is probably a big part of it, which is why the QBs, the best of which have long careers and so much influence over the quality of the product, could really do more. If the top 5-10 QBs walked out, the league would really suffer.
 

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I assume it’s partly because the sport is so dangerous and careers are so short that bargaining power is less.
Yup. The owners broke the union in 1987 when tons of players crossed the picket line during their strike. Players have no leverage because so many of them can't afford to take a job action due to their playing window being so short.

That being said, that at least some portion of contracts aren't guaranteed is a disgrace and always has been. And it's unfathomable that you need to play 3 years to get vested for a pension. With the money the NFL makes it really should be 1 game.
 
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Yup. The owners broke the union in 1987 when tons of players crossed the picket line during their strike. Players have no leverage because so many of them can't afford to take a job action due to their playing window being so short.

That being said, that at least some portion of contracts aren't guaranteed is a disgrace and always has been. And it's unfathomable that you need to play 3 years to get vested for a pension. With the money the NFL makes it really should be 1 game.
It would not be easy to execute by any stretch, but a demand from the NFLPA for changes on some of these issues as a requisite to playing any more games this season (including the playoffs) would really put pressure on the owners.
 

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“Fewer.”

Joking aside, the issue is more about depth than rate. Like, if you tell me you did 10 compressions in a given amount of time versus 100, that doesn’t tell me how much work you actually did with respect to moving the blood flow in the patient without reference to how deep the compressions are.

You’re not trying to hit numbers of compressions per minute, you’re trying to pump blood. And, again, if you use your body weight and work from the hip, the rhythm comes naturally; it’s actually hard to do it either too fast or too slow with that technique, assuming some rhythm.

That’s the discipline.
It's the hardest thing to understand. My sister has decades of experience as a nurse (cardiac, surgical, ER); on her last certification she ruptured a tendon in her thumb trying to get enough pressure.
 

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Sounds like outstanding news. Any reason we shouldn't be getting our hopes up here, docs?
 

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At this stage, this is the best news one can hope for. Once they can remove the breathing tube they’ll be able to do a more thorough neuro assessment. Prompt COR and defibrillation is an amazing thing.
 

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Sounds like outstanding news. Any reason we shouldn't be getting our hopes up here, docs?
The brain is incredibly fickle.
My sister in law OD’d at 28 with a kid, and now lives in the Alzheimer’s wing of an old folks home. The brain is not binary. He could be physically well but mentally not. He could have a lot of issues, I don’t think he’s out of the woods yet and possibly may never be.
 

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Modern medicine is an amazing thing. It still amazes me how smart the people are that figured out how to do everything that it takes to keep people alive in these situations.
 

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“Neurologically intact” is the most important phrase so far and the best update we’ve gotten.

As someone said above, the brain isn’t binary and there is a lot of room between brain dead and 100% normal of course. So we’ll have to wait and see.

But definitely more and more reasons to be cautiously optimistic.
 

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Modern medicine is an amazing thing. It still amazes me how smart the people are that figured out how to do everything that it takes to keep people alive in these situations.
I know it's often an unpopular take in that it imposes duty against freedom, but, as per my engagement with @Valek123 above, I would absolutely love to see First Responder training become part of our public education curriculum.

Imagine if everyone everywhere had an understanding of how health crises worked. I don't mean being doctors, but a basic relationship to the biological phenomena that is, well, frickin' life. How to understand it cognitively, and how to respond in crisis, intertwined. Is there really not 20 hours out of the four year curriculum that couldn't be put for... that??
 

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I know it's often an unpopular take in that it imposes duty against freedom, but, as per my engagement with @Valek123 above, I would absolutely love to see First Responder training become part of our public education curriculum.

Imagine if everyone everywhere had an understanding of how health crises worked. I don't mean being doctors, but a basic relationship to the biological phenomena that is, well, frickin' life. How to understand it cognitively, and how to respond in crisis, intertwined. Is there really not 20 hours out of the four year curriculum that couldn't be put for... that??
This and financial decision making.