D(anny)-Day : Predict the outcome of today's trade deadline

What move(s) does Danny make today?

  • Trades for a "white whale" (e.g., Bradley Beal, Domantas Sabonis, etc.)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Trades for a "big fish" (e.g., John Collins, Malcolm Brogdon, etc.)

    Votes: 4 3.9%
  • Trades for a "keeper" (e.g., Aaron Gordon, Harrison Barnes, Lonzo Ball, etc.)

    Votes: 27 26.2%
  • Trades for a rental that you have to throw back (e.g., Norman Powell, Victor Oladipo, etc.)

    Votes: 11 10.7%
  • Trades for minor bench piece(s)

    Votes: 30 29.1%
  • Trades existing players for future picks

    Votes: 6 5.8%
  • Nothing! The fish got away...

    Votes: 40 38.8%

  • Total voters
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bellowthecat

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This would put them over the tax unless they send out salary elsewhere, correct? I will like this deal significantly less if they can't stay under the tax here for an expiring deal.
 

DGreenwood

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I have come around to hoping Danny blows it up and reshuffles. I would be fine with literally anyone being traded other than TimeLord, which I know is irrational, but he's just so damn entertaining to watch.

Something just isn't right about the current roster, the sum seems much less than the parts, and it's hard to see how it improves as currently constructed. I think there needs to be at least some addition by subtraction.
This approach makes no sense at all. It's also pretty much exactly how I feel.
 

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I think the Athletic had put Theis at a value of around 2 second rounders. Maybe that goes down to 1, but somewhere between 1-2 2nds would be good, depending a bit on the team and timeline.
 

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There is little reason to keep both (Theis and Tristian) of them at this point. Maybe they could be both go to cover the cost of fournier - and they could start fourneir at the five (and keep the TPE open). <kidding>
 

JCizzle

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Theis will go to a team where he finally gets a favorable whistle and become a top 5 player in the league
 

Cesar Crespo

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Thompson would make more sense to move you'd think.
If you think Theis actually stretches the floor, yeah. I'd trade whichever gives the best return as I don't think it makes much a difference. CBS is close to freeing TL.

I'd actually try to acquire a PG with some size and look into trading Smart but time might be running out on that.
 

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If you think Theis actually stretches the floor, yeah. I'd trade whichever gives the best return as I don't think it makes much a difference. CBS is close to freeing TL.

I'd actually try to acquire a PG with some size and look into trading Smart but time might be running out on that.
Yeah, Theis' floor-stretching is mostly theoretical; I wouldn't let that be a holdup.
 

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Now that Gordon is off the table, is there anything else Danny can do other than a small deal to jettison some of the crap off our bench?
 

Dduncan6er

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Collins deal still doable, but sounding like that ship has sailed. A deal centered around Smart and 1sts would make a lot of sense both ways though.
Are you willing to max Collins though? That's a ton of salary if we're talking about Tatum, Brown, Kemba, a re-signed Fournier and Collins on a max. If I'm Wyc there's no way I'm paying that tax bill for a roster that's not a guaranteed finals contender.
 

Cesar Crespo

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Are you willing to max Collins though? That's a ton of salary if we're talking about Tatum, Brown, Kemba, a re-signed Fournier and Collins on a max. If I'm Wyc there's no way I'm paying that tax bill for a roster that's not a guaranteed finals contender.
It only works if they could flip Kemba. There's probably a way to make it work trading Smart, TT and gutting the rest of the roster too but I'd have to look more into it.
 

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It only works if they could flip Kemba. There's probably a way to make it work trading Smart, TT and gutting the rest of the roster too but I'd have to look more into it.
Yeah, the intention there would clearly be to flip Kemba.
 

lovegtm

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I'm happy with the Theis trade as addition by subtraction (more TL, less 2-big). TL makes him mostly redundant, and you still have TT to bang with the big boys. Solid deal.
 

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I'm happy with the Theis trade as addition by subtraction (more TL, less 2-big). TL makes him mostly redundant, and you still have TT to bang with the big boys. Solid deal.
Yep. Time Lord is clearly one of the top two centers now.
 

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So which category does today fall into? Keeper? And maybe one "throw back" in Wagner?

The consensus seems to be that Ainge made a modest upgrade to the wing rotation; maybe more than modest given who was in that rotation. Either way, he addressed the roster's biggest shortcoming. The cost:

a.) Loss of their starting C. Not a huge deal given that I think RWill and TT can both fill in admirably. Less depth at the position, but Stevens was already having difficulty with the depth they did have.

b.) Loss of one of their veteran backup PG, one who was indeed playing better recently. But the dropoff to Pritchard isn't that huge. It could be a problem if Kemba needs to miss a lot of time, but the team is screwed anyway in that case.

c.) Loss of some of the TPE. The rules around sign-and-trades were always going to make the full TPE difficult to use, and it wasn't quite enough for the "white whale" anyway.

d.) A couple of fungible 2nd round draft picks that are easily replaced.

e.) Some end of bench flotsam/jetsam in Green.

Seems like a solid B grade to me.
 

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So which category does today fall into? Keeper? And maybe one "throw back" in Wagner?

The consensus seems to be that Ainge made a modest upgrade to the wing rotation; maybe more than modest given who was in that rotation. Either way, he addressed the roster's biggest shortcoming. The cost:

a.) Loss of their starting C. Not a huge deal given that I think RWill and TT can both fill in admirably. Less depth at the position, but Stevens was already having difficulty with the depth they did have.

b.) Loss of one of their veteran backup PG, one who was indeed playing better recently. But the dropoff to Pritchard isn't that huge. It could be a problem if Kemba needs to miss a lot of time, but the team is screwed anyway in that case.

c.) Loss of some of the TPE. The rules around sign-and-trades were always going to make the full TPE difficult to use, and it wasn't quite enough for the "white whale" anyway.

d.) A couple of fungible 2nd round draft picks that are easily replaced.

e.) Some end of bench flotsam/jetsam in Green.

Seems like a solid B grade to me.
Talent-wise, he's definitely in the "keeper" category so I award points to the 26% who made that vote
 

lovegtm

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So which category does today fall into? Keeper? And maybe one "throw back" in Wagner?

The consensus seems to be that Ainge made a modest upgrade to the wing rotation; maybe more than modest given who was in that rotation. Either way, he addressed the roster's biggest shortcoming. The cost:

a.) Loss of their starting C. Not a huge deal given that I think RWill and TT can both fill in admirably. Less depth at the position, but Stevens was already having difficulty with the depth they did have.

b.) Loss of one of their veteran backup PG, one who was indeed playing better recently. But the dropoff to Pritchard isn't that huge. It could be a problem if Kemba needs to miss a lot of time, but the team is screwed anyway in that case.

c.) Loss of some of the TPE. The rules around sign-and-trades were always going to make the full TPE difficult to use, and it wasn't quite enough for the "white whale" anyway.

d.) A couple of fungible 2nd round draft picks that are easily replaced.

e.) Some end of bench flotsam/jetsam in Green.

Seems like a solid B grade to me.
For point (d), they are going to have to deal Fournier or Smart if they acquire an impact guy in the summer, so I don't even really count that as a negative. If anything, it makes it easier to go whale hunting.

If the Celtics were contenders this year, I'd give this a C+/B-, but I think it's a B+/A- given that they're now lined up to go after some higher-end talent without gutting the roster or being too into the tax.
 

Cesar Crespo

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B/B-. It's clear the team's composition was broken with too many bigs in the top 8. They desperately needed to swap one of the bigs for a wing for a magnitude of reasons. One being TL deserves to play a lot more, but TT and Theis deserve to play too. That and sometimes the big 2 lineup was our best option. Fournier gives us the wing we need and moving Theis frees TL. He's also a pretty good fit and they didn't give up any real assets outside of the TPE, which was kind of a gift anyway.

Moving Teague so there are some minutes to develop the young guys makes it even better. Ainge also gets some points for not selling low on Nesmith and Langford.
 

lexrageorge

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Lemme see....

- Kawhi would have cost them Jaylen Brown. Would Kawhi/Kyrie/Horford with a limping Hayward and a sophomore slumping Tatum been enough to net a title before slinking back to mediocrity once Kawhi left?

- Paul George wasn't coming here.

- AD wasn't staying here and would have cost them Tatum and all of their future draft picks.

Yeah, it's Twitter for you.....
 

Cesar Crespo

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Lol umm...

Kawhi, George, Davis and.... Myles F'n Turner?

Turner isn't really any better than Fournier either.
 

lovegtm

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Lol umm...

Kawhi, George, Davis and.... Myles F'n Turner?

Turner isn't really any better than Fournier either.
The funny thing is that there is tons of shit that Danny should take for the past 3 years. People focus on literally the only thing he's nailed as a negative. People are dumb.
 

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I think this was about the best we could hope for. A real shake up to see if you can somehow change the mix and get meaningful improvement but not much of a mortgaging of the future on what is probably not an actual contender. You may have considered just waiting for the summer but the situation is getting pretty toxic and a few more months of the status quo may have created more problems than they solve.

Smart may become a real problem though. He may see a smaller role and I hope he doesn’t chafe
 

lovegtm

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I think this was about the best we could hope for. A real shake up to see if you can somehow change the mix and get meaningful improvement but not much of a mortgaging of the future on what is probably not an actual contender. You may have considered just waiting for the summer but the situation is getting pretty toxic and a few more months of the status quo may have created more problems than they solve.

Smart may become a real problem though. He may see a smaller role and I hope he doesn’t chafe
If he does chafe, he's a $12M expiring.
 

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I think this was about the best we could hope for. A real shake up to see if you can somehow change the mix and get meaningful improvement but not much of a mortgaging of the future on what is probably not an actual contender. You may have considered just waiting for the summer but the situation is getting pretty toxic and a few more months of the status quo may have created more problems than they solve.

Smart may become a real problem though. He may see a smaller role and I hope he doesn’t chafe
If Smart really cares about winning, he should be happy to slide back into a more defense and distribute first role. That’s what he’s good at.
 

Cesar Crespo

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I don't see Smart's role getting smaller this year. Fournier won't be replacing his minutes and they also traded away Teague and Theis who have played an average of 37 mpg (1643 minutes).

His role might change a little, but it won't be decreasing.
 

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How could Danny not top the offer for Gordon? Squints at Gary Harris, R.J. Hampton, and top-five protected pick in 2025. Maybe he didn't think Gordon was that good (3P% trending in the right direction this year but career .323 and 70% FT% albeit his defense is legit) or maybe the Celtics assets are not valued very highly. The first this year could be valuable in a deep draft.

Our competitors, the Heat, got remarkably better with Oladipo (looking at his game log, has his minutes been managed this year?) and Bjelica for little in Bradley, Olynk, Harkless, Silva.

At the end of the day, Atlanta was not trading John Collins (pipe dream) and Fournier (the Fornicator? Forny? Fourscore? no these are horrible) is definitely a step in the right direction.
 

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Yeah, the Twitter take is outrageously stupid. It looks clever, because obviously anyone would rather have George, Leonard or Davis instead of Fournier. But the price paid would have been astronomical, and would have entailed mortgaging the future -- in a couple of cases for guys who probably wouldn't even have stayed (e.g., Leonard and the Raptors), as others have noted.
 

lovegtm

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Thread seems to confirm that once Fournier became available cheaply, the team saw it could pivot from using the TPE for a summer acquisition to using players for a more flexible acquisition. Also worth noting that they think they need to be better to fix the vibe around the team, contrary to the braindead "how will JT/JB/MS like having Fournier" takes.

View: https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1375425877484437512?s=20
 

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The funny thing is that there is tons of shit that Danny should take for the past 3 years. People focus on literally the only thing he's nailed as a negative. People are dumb.
I do feel like over the last several years Danny has taken more shit in the media and on twitter over the last few years than in previous years. But, I'm sure if twitter had existed when he traded Antoine and made the moves that led to the title, people would have been shitting their pants back then as well.

It seems like he has become a bit more risk averse recently, but shitting on him for like not trading Tatum for Anthony Davis who would have left in free agency is a moronic take. To say that he was too bearish on the Jays progression before last and that he maybe shouldn't have targeted Kemba is a better, more realistic example. And I'm sure if the Celtics trade Kemba this summer, these same people will be like "This is IT all over again, Danny sucks."

I wonder if it's a backlash to all of the "Danny is fleecing other teams" stuff, there's always an impulse in the media/social media/the hot take economy to like try to say someone is overrated or in decline as early as possible, I guess (see Max Kellerman re: Tom Brady). I just want these people to tell me who the better GMs are that are out GMing Danny and winning championships with all of their awesome GMing. Pat Riley? Masai? Is the conclusion I'm supposed to draw from yesterday that Danny is a bad GM because he didn't want to push all his chips in for Aaron Gordon?
 

lovegtm

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I wonder if it's a backlash to all of the "Danny is fleecing other teams" stuff, there's always an impulse in the media/social media/the hot take economy to like try to say someone is overrated or in decline as early as possible, I guess (see Max Kellerman re: Tom Brady). I just want these people to tell me who the better GMs are that are out GMing Danny and winning championships with all of their awesome GMing. Pat Riley? Masai? Is the conclusion I'm supposed to draw from yesterday that Danny is a bad GM because he didn't want to push all his chips in for Aaron Gordon?
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Pretty much this.