Cutting The Cord on Cable/Satellite TV Service?

edoug

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Does Peacock have Jeopardy? That’s another thing I’ll miss if YouTube drops NBC.

Edit: Nevermind. Jeopardy is on ABC. I’m an idiot (who really has lost the concept of channels. It’s my favorite part of these services, just being able to watch and record things without caring what channel they’re on)
About 70 NBC affiliates show Jeopardy. Biggest is Atlanta. A potentially record setting run by a Amodio is going to cause a lot barking.

It’s my favorite part of these services, just being able to watch and record things without caring what channel they’re on)
Yeah, being a cable/ streaming service subscriber is like dying by a thousand cuts.
 

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Does Peacock have Jeopardy? That’s another thing I’ll miss if YouTube drops NBC.

Edit: Nevermind. Jeopardy is on ABC. I’m an idiot (who really has lost the concept of channels. It’s my favorite part of these services, just being able to watch and record things without caring what channel they’re on)
Jeopardy is on whatever network in a specific market bought the syndicated package
 

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I am a long time YTTV customer and just started a seven day FUBO trial. It is not bad. Final cost is more a bit more than YTTV, but the UI is fine. 1000 DVR hours should be enough. There is no upcharge for 4k content. My wife gains Tennis Channel ...we loseTurner channels, which hurts for playoff baseball, but I could care less about NBA. Every streaming service is missing something.
 

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Jeopardy is syndicated, and is on my NBC affiliate. Depends where you are.

I kicked youtube tv to the curb at the beginning of baseball season due to no NESN. Fubo has been fine, though no TBS/TNT/CNN is occasionally annoying. All these standoffs between companies are beyond fucking ridiculous.
 

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Jeopardy's syndication is annoying for travelers/nomads as it's on both different networks (via affiliate) and different times.

It would be a lot easier if all stations had a Netflix type direct to consumer model and you could do real a la carte. (without blackouts dammit!)

I could do something like

$5 for whatever Boston station had the best news or just do $2 for NECN
$10 for ABC national
$10 for Peacock plus if it had everything
$12-15 for CBS national
$8-10 for Fox national
$15-20 ESPN package that included everything (inc.ACCN) not just $6 for ESPN+
$3 for TNT
$1 for TBS
$2 for USA
$2 for Bravo during Top Chef season
$2 for FS1
$3 each for MLBN, NFLN, NHLN
$3 for CNBC
$1 for MSNBC
$1 for CW
$1 for CBSSN
$2 for NBC Sports Boston (Celtics)
$4 for NESN (Red Sox + Bruins)
 
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So I need some clarity for my next purchase since I'm deciding what to get for a streaming device.

My family has moved into a new house. We are going to have 4 TV's. Currently I have a roku ultra and a streamstick + and they both have youtubetv.

Ideally I'd like to purchase 2 more roku devices, but will I be able to get YoutubeTV on them? It says if you're an existing customer you can have it so I'm thinking once I sign in to the two new rokus all of my existing apps automatically download.
 

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Jeopardy is syndicated, and is on my NBC affiliate. Depends where you are.

I kicked youtube tv to the curb at the beginning of baseball season due to no NESN. Fubo has been fine, though no TBS/TNT/CNN is occasionally annoying. All these standoffs between companies are beyond fucking ridiculous.
Totally agree - so sick of the bullshit. If I knew it was going to be like this- I prob would have not dumped cable.
 

edoug

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So I need some clarity for my next purchase since I'm deciding what to get for a streaming device.

My family has moved into a new house. We are going to have 4 TV's. Currently I have a roku ultra and a streamstick + and they both have youtubetv.

Ideally I'd like to purchase 2 more roku devices, but will I be able to get YoutubeTV on them? It says if you're an existing customer you can have it so I'm thinking once I sign in to the two new rokus all of my existing apps automatically download.
I haven't tried this and it is a few months old but by the comments it does work.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b37uTf7wsKs
 

Scott Cooper's Grand Slam

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So I need some clarity for my next purchase since I'm deciding what to get for a streaming device.

My family has moved into a new house. We are going to have 4 TV's. Currently I have a roku ultra and a streamstick + and they both have youtubetv.

Ideally I'd like to purchase 2 more roku devices, but will I be able to get YoutubeTV on them? It says if you're an existing customer you can have it so I'm thinking once I sign in to the two new rokus all of my existing apps automatically download.
I deleted the YouTube.TV app thinking that I wouldn’t resubscribe. Then I resubscribed. YouTube.TV is available on Roku through the YouTube app.

1. Open YouTube
2. Open the left-hand nav menu
3. Choose “Go to YouTube.TV” (on the bottom, below settings).

It’s slightly annoying, but once you do it it’s the full YouTube.TV experience. It’s a bold move by Google. Roku wouldn’t dare remove the YouTube app, so Google just put all of YouTube.TV inside of YouTube. It’s also possible to use YouTube on Roku signed out and YouTube.TV signed in without switching accounts every time, if that matters to you.

Edit: this is shown in the video that edoug posted
 
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IMHO the Chromecast Ultra is superior to the Roku. We replaced all of ours.
+1. Chromecast Ultra is a game changer for Youtube TV (and other streaming apps). It's fantastic. My only complaint is that the remote is kind of slippery.
 

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+1. Chromecast Ultra is a game changer for Youtube TV (and other streaming apps). It's fantastic. My only complaint is that the remote is kind of slippery.
I don't mind the Ultra and I like the small remote, but it's a little slower than Roku. I do not like the Roku remote.

But Fire TV stick is the best of them all, IMHO. It is the fastest and the most reliable. Ultra is the least reliable, at least on speed.
 

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Yes, but telling my wife to live without Bravo is not gonna happen. The impasse is just NBC owned affiliates which includes Boston.
You can get the Bravo shows (I believe) on Peacock Premium, which I think is $5 a month although I think it is ad-supported which is obnoxious (no fast-forwarding through commercials, in other words). But I don't know exactly when those shows are put on Peacock vs. when they are shown live, so if your wife likes to watch the shows live then that could be an issue.
 

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You can get the Bravo shows (I believe) on Peacock Premium, which I think is $5 a month although I think it is ad-supported which is obnoxious (no fast-forwarding through commercials, in other words). But I don't know exactly when those shows are put on Peacock vs. when they are shown live, so if your wife likes to watch the shows live then that could be an issue.
Here is some new info ...I thought the impasse only included NBC owned stations ...apparently it is ALL NBC affiliates. An interesting side bar to this is YTTV is literally a lemonade stand as far as revenue it contributes to the Alphabet/Google empire. They could shut it down tomorrow and the impacts to the company and the stock would be essentially zero.

https://thestreamable.com/news/all-nbc-affiliates-would-be-affected-if-youtube-tv-loses-nbcu-channels
 

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Can anyone educate me on the downsides of Hulu Live? I picked up a Fubu subscription for Sox season to get NESN, but don't like that I can't use it on TVs in more than one house at the same time (I share accounts with my parents), so I also kept YouTube TV for most other purposes (including access to Turner networks). Assuming YTTV is about to lose the NBC channels, and my dad and I will both want to watch the Celtics this year, if we drop both YTTV and Fubo and go to Hulu with multi-screen add on, will we be able to both watch NBC Sports Boston at the same time in our different homes (including when my parents go to Florida for January-April)? Is the DVR pretty good? I worked around Fubu's multi home limitations by using my Fubu account to log in to the NESN app on my TV, but that option still stinks for being able to channel surf between innings. I just want one provider that I can use all winter.
 

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Reading through these threads makes me hate throwing money at Comcast much, much less than before. An extra $50 or whatever per month is well worth not dealing with this aggravation. And it would likely end in divorce if I forced my wife to go through it, so I think I'm working out ahead in the long run.

Thanks for working through all this for the rest of us, though. I'll jump on it whenever it operates as straightforward as a DVR cable box does.
 

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Assuming this doesn't get worked out between YouTube TV and NBC does Peacock have NBC Sports New England?

Or, would one have to use a VPN to use an out-of-state IP address and get NBA League Pass?

I've lived without the Red Sox just fine, but I'd be hard pressed to enjoy the Celtics on gamecast. Radio won't work, as I try to listen to music and watch the game on mute.
 

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My real fear here is that NBCUniversal is just trying to choke the streaming providers and drive us all to Peacock/Comcast - Hulu and Fubo will just be next whenever their deal is up. Vertical integration harming consumers, as usual.
 

edoug

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Can anyone educate me on the downsides of Hulu Live? I picked up a Fubu subscription for Sox season to get NESN, but don't like that I can't use it on TVs in more than one house at the same time (I share accounts with my parents), so I also kept YouTube TV for most other purposes (including access to Turner networks). Assuming YTTV is about to lose the NBC channels, and my dad and I will both want to watch the Celtics this year, if we drop both YTTV and Fubo and go to Hulu with multi-screen add on, will we be able to both watch NBC Sports Boston at the same time in our different homes (including when my parents go to Florida for January-April)? Is the DVR pretty good? I worked around Fubu's multi home limitations by using my Fubu account to log in to the NESN app on my TV, but that option still stinks for being able to channel surf between innings. I just want one provider that I can use all winter.
I don't thing Hulu will work for you.
https://streamingclarity.com/hulu-live-away-from-home/
 

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My real fear here is that NBCUniversal is just trying to choke the streaming providers and drive us all to Peacock/Comcast - Hulu and Fubo will just be next whenever their deal is up.
I have Comcast for internet so I'll just use Peacock for the game on Sunday. I remember trying to use the app before for some show and it blows. I forgot what issues I have.

In any case, I have no desire to go back to regular cable for TV. I'll just live without that service if it comes down to it.
 

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So I need some clarity for my next purchase since I'm deciding what to get for a streaming device.

My family has moved into a new house. We are going to have 4 TV's. Currently I have a roku ultra and a streamstick + and they both have youtubetv.

Ideally I'd like to purchase 2 more roku devices, but will I be able to get YoutubeTV on them? It says if you're an existing customer you can have it so I'm thinking once I sign in to the two new rokus all of my existing apps automatically download.
If you are buying new TVs, Smart TV capabilities let you skip the Roku for many of the TV apps(not all, though). YouTube & YouTube Kids, for example, can be added directly to Samsung Smart TVs. My Roku is necessary for Nick Jr, PlutoTV, and some other random apps.
 

Scott Cooper's Grand Slam

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Thanks for working through all this for the rest of us, though. I'll jump on it whenever it operates as straightforward as a DVR cable box does.
There was a blissful period of about 18 months where YouTube.TV was too good to last. It had every channel, including NESN. It was easier to use than any cable box. Storage was unlimited. They hiked their price from $35 to $40 per month.

Then the BS started. Sigh.
 

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Reading through these threads makes me hate throwing money at Comcast much, much less than before. An extra $50 or whatever per month is well worth not dealing with this aggravation. And it would likely end in divorce if I forced my wife to go through it, so I think I'm working out ahead in the long run.

Thanks for working through all this for the rest of us, though. I'll jump on it whenever it operates as straightforward as a DVR cable box does.
And the price of all the streaming services is no longer actually cheaper than cable.

A big problem though is that content that was all available on cable is now going exclusive to some of the streaming services. All EPL games used to be on NBC Sports Gold if you subscribed to a cable package with NBC Sports, but now you have to pay for Peacock (even if you already have all the NBC channels today through your cable package). Almost all of the Champions League Coverage has moved to Paramount+. ESPN+ has some exclusivity with Boxing and UFC right now, but that's expected to grow as some of their deals come up under renegotiation like with the NBA. I think the shoe to drop is probably playoff games getting exclusivity to some of these streaming services.
 

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And the price of all the streaming services is no longer actually cheaper than cable.
Except for folks like me in rural America who can’t get cable without paying exorbitant installation costs. For me, it’s over $3,000 for Comcast to run cable from the nearest line to my house. I’d pay it, except I’m getting by fine on 20-50Mbps DSL.

We’re a small audience, but cable-like services without actual cable is a godsend.
 

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Except for folks like me in rural America who can’t get cable without paying exorbitant installation costs. For me, it’s over $3,000 for Comcast to run cable from the nearest line to my house. I’d pay it, except I’m getting by fine on 20-50Mbps DSL.

We’re a small audience, but cable-like services without actual cable is a godsend.
Isn't that what satellite covers though? Cable like service minus On Demand funcitonality?
 

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And the price of all the streaming services is no longer actually cheaper than cable.
I suppose it varies some, but the only truly new thing we added when we switched from DirecTV to YTTV was HBO Max (we didn't have HBO, because the bill was already $200). We had Apple+ from having a ton of Apple products and the years of free subscriptions that came with it, we already had Amazon, Netflix, Peacock, and Disney+. We do have new streaming sports services like MLB and Sunday Ticket, but I paid for those add-ons when I had satellite.
 

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And the price of all the streaming services is no longer actually cheaper than cable.
If you need to have multiple streaming services plus YTTV, then yes.

I go from service to service, subscribing to each for a period of time before switching to another.
I split my YTTV subscription with two other people but one person will be leaving soon so I will have a slot open if someone is interested (send me a PM).

I don’t plan on ever going back to regular cable ever again.
 

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Guess I'll ask here too:

If I have the $5 level of Peacock and try to watch a movie, when do the ads play? All up front, or do they cut in?
 

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I switched from Roku to the Chromecast w/ Google TV and have been quite happy with it. Love the voice capable remote and how my tv is now a seamless part of the Google ecosystem I have in my house.
 

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The Google/Roku spat resumes. New Roku devices won’t be able to download the YouTube app after December 9. https://www.axios.com/roku-youtube-tv-google-unable-to-strike-deal-de879a12-079b-4329-a27f-5692c19bea2c.html
I do think it's hilarious Roku removed YouTubeTv and YouTube just added (like the next day) a way to watch YouTubeTV from the Youtube app. So that spat didn't matter. An irrelevant removal of an app that didn't actually get removed.

For this spat, if you have the app before December, it doesn't matter. But new devices not being able to use Youtube definitely hurts Roku. Google is flexing hard in this one. And these fights suck for everyone.
 

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A lot of the popular brand Roku TVs (TCL and Hisense being the two main ones) have also been churning out Android TVs. I'm guessing their licensing is cheaper to Google than Roku. Historically Roku's big advantage has always been agnostic and thus supporting everything from Google to Amazon.
 

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I do think it's hilarious Roku removed YouTubeTv and YouTube just added (like the next day) a way to watch YouTubeTV from the Youtube app. So that spat didn't matter. An irrelevant removal of an app that didn't actually get removed.

For this spat, if you have the app before December, it doesn't matter. But new devices not being able to use Youtube definitely hurts Roku. Google is flexing hard in this one. And these fights suck for everyone.
Yeah. We really need TVs to become home consoles with exclusive content. I know I want to have 2 or 3 different TVs along with 8 or 9 different streaming services so I can watch whatever show I want.

It's ridiculous limiting content to certain platforms. It's the one thing I hate about console gaming and why 99% of my gaming is done on PC nowadays. Looks like I'll have to connect an old computer up to my TV. The interface is a million times better and a mouse blows the controller away. Of course, my old PC doesn't have 4k.

It's fuckin stupid. It's right up there with the Switch not having Netflix or Disney +.
 

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I am overwhelming myself (probably unnecessarily so) trying to figure this out. What is the most cost effective way to watch: NBA games (specifically Celtics, but I love watching almost any game), Premier League games (Chelsea), Patriots games, and the occasional Sox game (though they're last on the totem pole these days).

I was using a YouTube TV account with my cousin who still lives in Boston but that is no longer an option. I live in Orlando, Florida, if that matters. Is YouTube TV still a viable option for me to be able to consistently watch local Boston teams? Or was I able to do that only through my cousin's local Boston address? I basically need year-round service from August to June. I don't mind paying monthly subscriptions for certain services during the various sports calendars and then turning them off when not needed.

For what it's worth, I don't have cable and just pay for basic stand-alone services like Disney+, Netflix, Prime Video, etc.