Curb Your Enthusiasm: US Youth National Teams, Prospect Hype, and Youth Development Thread [The DA is DEAD updates]

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I’ve made my peace with the reality that Guti is a 10 in a world that has largely moved passed 10s. A call would be cool, but would probably end up like Guti’s last run out with the 21s - a late game sub in an awkward position leading to not much.

But Brady…he’s got to be in the squad.
Brady is a bad birth year, where he's the youngest of the four birth years in this Olympic cycle. Even if he's arguably a better prospect, Brady is likely behind Patrick Schulte, who is more experienced and who is three years older than Brady. So then it's down to Brady vs. Gaga.
 

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This is one of those things that seems outrageous until you sit down and do the math on an 18-man Olympic roster. 18-man rosters are brutal.

Basically, you've got your best XI and then you have one backup per position area (GK, FB, CB, CM, AM/winger, FW) and then one additional backup. The math gets hard very quickly.

If we're playing a 4-3-3, the starting AMs are Djordje Mihailovic and Kevin Paredes. I've heard Taylor Booth is going to be on the team. That's the backup. If you want to use your additional flex backup at this position, it's probably Luna vs. Paxten Aaronson, who's a bit more versatile than Luna and who is also good.

The CMs are probably Busio, Tessmann, Morris, and McGlynn. We know McGlynn (and Nathan Harriel) are in per the Philadelphia Union.

Side note: Goff reported that the three overages are Walker Zimmerman, Miles Robinson, and Djordje. I'm really glad that they got two CBs in, since that is by far the weakest part of this pool. I would have taken a #9 over an attacking mid like Djordje, but it's been reported that they got denied by Coventry for Haji Wright, and I assume Monterrey said no on Vazquez as well.
Everything you say is completely logical. Luna hit binkie status for me long ago, so logic goes out the window. Djordje has had a great season so far, but I still want Luna on the team over him because I just prefer the way he plays. It sucks for the kid too, “two or three strikers won’t get released so now you don’t get to go.”
 

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Brady is a bad birth year, where he's the youngest of the four birth years in this Olympic cycle. Even if he's arguably a better prospect, Brady is likely behind Patrick Schulte, who is more experienced and who is three years older than Brady. So then it's down to Brady vs. Gaga.
Gaga is already in the offseason and I’m sure Chelsea would like to put him out there for more eyeballs to weigh up another loan deployment. But Brady is in fine form right now, though Heitz has been hesitating to release players mid-season in the past.
 

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Okay, I've cobbled together some stuff from various sources and here's what I know so far.

GK: Schulte and Pulskamp

Schulte was going to be the starter. Gaga not released. Brady also not released, and I heard some questions as to whether he'd want to miss games with the Fire just to be the U23 backup.

FB: Harriel + ?? + ??

This is an area of mystery. Bryan Reynolds was not released by Westerlo. Harriel is a solid, but unspectacular player, but very versatile and can play across the backline, which you really want in this type of roster. The LB situation is a mystery. John Tolkin would make a lot of sense, as would Caleb Wiley. Since there aren't a ton of other RBs (Joe Scally is eligible but it would be a shock to see him in the squad), I wouldn't be surprised to see both Tolkin and Wiley.

Lund is also eligible, not sure if they can double-dip with him.

CB: Zimmerman + Robinson + ??

Zimmerman and Robinson will hold down the middle of the backline. My preference for backup would be Jalen Neal. There really aren't a lot of options, unfortunately. There's a good reason why Mitrovic brought in two overage players here.

CM: Tessmann, McGlynn + Cremaschi? + Busio?

Philly announced McGlynn earlier today. I'm pretty sure Tessmann is going. A local Miami reporter with whom I am not familiar just tweeted that Cremaschi is on the team. Brian Sciaretta thinks the last guy is Busio. Cremaschi was probably added because it's likely that Middlesbrough did not released Aidan Morris, which is a real shame. There is quality in this quartet, but not a lot of defensive chops. (Yes, Tessmann is a Large Human. No, that doesn't make him a DM.)

Johnny and Musah are also young enough for this team.

AM: Mihailovic, Booth, Aaronson, Yow

Djordje's inclusion and the fact that we know four players have made it at this position leads me to believe that Kevin Paredes was not released. That's a big shame. This is the area where fan favorites like Diego Luna and Brian Gutierrez would have been looking for a slot. They have a real shout, but it's a tough area to compete in with some good players. Yow had a good season in Belgium and put himself back on the radar.

Reyna and Tillman are age-eligible, though Tillman is cup-tied.

FW: McGuire + ??

I like McGuire a lot more as a backup at the Olympics than as a starter, but it seems likely that he's the guy. I wish Paredes had been released and we were able to take Brandon Vazquez instead of Djordje. That's not a knock on Mihailovic, but our pool at AM is deeper. I heard that they asked for Wright and were denied. Not sure about Vazquez.

Balogun and Pepi are also in this age cohort.
 

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This is one of those things that seems outrageous until you sit down and do the math on an 18-man Olympic roster. 18-man rosters are brutal.

Basically, you've got your best XI and then you have one backup per position area (GK, FB, CB, CM, AM/winger, FW) and then one additional backup. The math gets hard very quickly.

If we're playing a 4-3-3, the starting AMs are Djordje Mihailovic and Kevin Paredes. I've heard Taylor Booth is going to be on the team. That's the backup. If you want to use your additional flex backup at this position, it's probably Luna vs. Paxten Aaronson, who's a bit more versatile than Luna and who is also good.

The CMs are probably Busio, Tessmann, Morris, and McGlynn. We know McGlynn (and Nathan Harriel) are in per the Philadelphia Union.

Side note: Goff reported that the three overages are Walker Zimmerman, Miles Robinson, and Djordje. I'm really glad that they got two CBs in, since that is by far the weakest part of this pool. I would have taken a #9 over an attacking mid like Djordje, but it's been reported that they got denied by Coventry for Haji Wright, and I assume Monterrey said no on Vazquez as well.
Wait, in what world is Paredes not a winger? He's a threatening enough attacker to play RM / RW in the Bundesliga, but has to play more defense for the USA U-23s? I think I want him running in behind, not trying to make clever passing combination play. [edit: I now see that Paredes wasn't even released. Which, fair enough... but Griffin fuckin' Yow over Diego Luna? We're now into "insult" territory here. Sidenote, Westerlo released Yow but not Reynolds? C'mon guys, why ya gotta do us like that?!]

I think I'd have let Luna take Aidan Morris's spot. Morris lit the MLS Cup on fire that one year, got injured, and really hasn't been the same guy since. We keep on trying to Make Fetch Happen with him and I just don't see it.

Also it's awesome that we shipped in our #3 and #4 senior-team CBs. Including Miles who I'm not even sure saw the field in the Copa. Put some grown-man beef back there, see how your set pieces go.

Agree on Djordje as an odd choice for an overager. I'd almost rather have sent a goalie. Sean Johnson lifetime achievement award for being a good sport / team player for a decade - hey Sean, you get to go to the Olympics! Or pick someone who's not married and will get full value out of the Olympic Village :)
 
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Lund is also eligible, not sure if they can double-dip with him.
As with Scally, Pepi, etc - the teams are not obligated to release for a second tournament in one summer. For Scally it makes sense - Gladbach is counting on him and he played some very rough minutes there at Copa America. For Pepi, you'd think they want him getting in some reps. I wish. I guess you'd have thought that about Gaga too, and yet here we are. Lund might be somewhere in the middle - Palermo starts him, of course, but if he shines at LB and someone in the Big 5 comes calling for him, they're stoked. And he didn't play a minute in Copa, because Jedi is a tank.
 

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Wait, in what world is Paredes not a winger? He's a threatening enough attacker to play RM / RW in the Bundesliga, but has to play more defense for the USA U-23s? I think I want him running in behind, not trying to make clever passing combination play. [edit: I now see that Paredes wasn't even released. Which, fair enough... but Griffin fuckin' Yow over Diego Luna? We're now into "insult" territory here. Sidenote, Westerlo released Yow but not Reynolds? C'mon guys, why ya gotta do us like that?!
Yes, Paredes is a winger. I descending into Football Manager brain, where the game describes both wingers and central attacking mids as "AMs". Everyone in that pool on the roster (Djordje, Aaronson, Booth, Yow) would be competing for the non-center forward slots in the front three of the 4-3-3.

I can't say I've watched much of Yow in Belgium but he's reportedly had a breakout season. He's done well in U23 friendlies so I guess Mitrovic is sticking with him.

I think I'd have let Luna take Aidan Morris's spot. Morris lit the MLS Cup on fire that one year, got injured, and really hasn't been the same guy since. We keep on trying to Make Fetch Happen with him and I just don't see it.
You can just say that you haven't watched him play for Columbus and develop under Wilfried Nancy. :) Morris is good and would be a lock for this team if healthy. I think we'll miss his defensive workrate with our quartet of CMs.

Also it's awesome that we shipped in our #3 and #4 senior-team CBs. Including Miles who I'm not even sure saw the field in the Copa. Put some grown-man beef back there, see how your set pieces go.
They're going to need to be good because we're not bringing any true DMs! I'm hoping that Miles will be hungry because his playing time has suffered from being the "bad passing center back", and while...he is a bad passing center back, it must have been annoying to have watched the supposedly better-passing Richards hit one hospital ball after the next all Copa.

Agree on Djordje as an odd choice for an overager. I'd almost rather have sent a goalie. Sean Johnson lifetime achievement award for being a good sport / team player for a decade - hey Sean, you get to go to the Olympics! Or pick someone who's not married and will get full value out of the Olympic Village :)
GK is usually the way to go for a U23 squad, but gap between whoever you see as the Sean Johnson Memorial #4 Goalkeeper type and Patrick Schulte isn't that big. Not sure the overager would be worth it this time around. He won the MLS Next Pro title with the Crew reserves in 2022, became the youngest starting GK to win MLS Cup in 2023, was part of their run to the CONCACAF Champions Cup this spring in which he made two saves in a PK shootout in El Volcán against Tigres, and already got his first Camp Cupcake cap.

He's still a young GK prone to the odd error, but he fits the bill for U23 right now.
 

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You can just say that you haven't watched him play for Columbus and develop under Wilfried Nancy. :) Morris is good and would be a lock for this team if healthy. I think we'll miss his defensive workrate with our quartet of CMs.
It's true, I haven't seen much of Morris for club the last 12 months, only for country. But his performances for the YNTs were kinda ass, he looked slow for the level - which unless you're Pirlo with the ball is kinda a problem, given that we like to play with 1 CDM. Maybe he's been a lot better. But wait, are you saying Morris isnt on the roster either?

And fair enough on Schulte. Glad at least one of our goalie prospects is panning out, it's been a while.
 

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Morris being on the roster likely got torched when he got his transfer and now needs to integrate to a new club in preseason whose season starts mid-Olympics.
 

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Well, Diego Luna had a goal and three assists last night against Atlanta...
 

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Gaga made it. But the back up striker is…?
Pax was a False 9 a few times for his club.

Which is another way of saying "we don't have one", I suppose. How Earnie said no when we asked for Pepi, I'm not sure, but how awesome would that be?
 

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Yesterday, the USSF announced the roster for the CONCACAF U20 Championship, which serves as a qualifier for the 2025 U-20 World Cup in Chile. The CONCACAF tournament, which is being held in Mexico, begins next week. The US U-20s are in a group with Costa Rica, Jamaica, and Cuba. Only eight of the twelve teams are eliminated in the group stage, which leads into the all-important QF, which is the actual threshold for qualification to the U-20 WC. The semifinals and beyond are basically just for bragging rights.

The roster:

GOALKEEPERS (3): Adam Beaudry (Colorado Rapids; Castle Pines, Colo.), Julian Eyestone (Brentford FC/ENG; Dallas, Texas), Duran Ferree (Orange County SC; San Diego, Calif.)

DEFENDERS (6): Luca Bombino (Los Angeles FC; Saugus, Calif.), Noah Cobb (Atlanta United FC; Chattanooga, Tenn.), Aiden Harangi (Eintracht Frankfurt/GER; Reston, Va.), Stuart Hawkins (Seattle Sounders FC; Fox Island, Wash.), Ethan Kohler (Werder Bremen/GER; Campbell, Calif.), Nolan Norris (FC Dallas; Fort Worth, Texas)

MIDFIELDERS (6): Taha Habroune (Columbus Crew; Columbus, Ohio), Cruz Medina (San Jose Earthquakes; San Francisco, Calif.), Sergio Oregel Jr. (Chicago Fire FC; Chicago, Ill.), Brooklyn Raines (Houston Dynamo FC; Chicago, Ill.), Pedro Soma (UE Cornella/ESP; Coconut Creek, Fla.), Niko Tsakiris (San Jose Earthquakes; Saratoga, Calif.)

FORWARDS (6): Nimfasha Berchimas (Charlotte FC; High Point, N.C.), Keyrol Figueroa (Liverpool/ENG; Warrington, England), Zavier Gozo (Real Salt Lake; Eagle Mountain, Utah), Ruben Ramos Jr (LA Galaxy; La Puente, Calif.), David Vazquez (Philadelphia Union; Los Angeles, Calif.), Marcos Zambrano (Vitoria Guimaraes/POR; Parkland, Fla.)
The age cutoff here is players born after 1/1/2005. This squad is okay with some interesting prospects, but the most knowledgable prospect watchers consider these age cohorts to be weaker than those before and after them, perhaps because these kids were at a particularly tough age for development when the COVID shutdowns began. Whether or not that's true, this squad is also missing a bunch of guys.

https://x.com/ProspectsUsmnt/status/1811875574022865089


Buck plays for England, Vargas just switched to Mexico, Bajraktarevic is strongly believed to be joining the Bosnian YNTs, Cremaschi is with the Olympic team, Barajas played for Mexico U17 and was rumored to be switching to the US, but was just sold to Chivas so who knows. The rest were just not released by their clubs or are injured.

We'll see how it goes. Berchimas is especially notable because he's a 2008, and also eligible for next year's U17 World Cup. He's a pacy winger who a lot of people really like, and if he's able to show out against older opposition here it would be a good sign.
 

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Vazquez roofs a rebound to give the US the 1-0 lead after one minute!
 

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Wow, a bad giveaway by Jamaica is intercepted by Vazquez, who buries his shot and gets a brace inside of three minutes. 2-0 US.
 

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Pedro Soma scores off a corner, 3-0 in the 17th minute. This Jamaica team is not good.
 

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US get a 4 on 2. Medina sends it wide for Vazquez who passes it back to Medina. Nice turn and finish, 5-0. 2g/2a for Vazquez on the night.

Jamaica have already made three first half subs unrelated to injury. I'm not sure I've ever seen that before.
 

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I went to bed at 6-0 and it finished 9-0(!)

Next up is Cuba, who tied Costa Rica 1-1.
 

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Intrigued by Raines. Not sure how Utah ended up with his rights to sell to Houston, but always pulling for a Chicago kid. (Even if he only spent a few years here.)
 

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Medina is the big prospect on this team, the one who is expected to go far, right? I haven't really followed.
I believe his stock has dipped in the past few years, I don’t think he’s that guy anymore. Not truly sure who is, particularly on this version of the squad which has a lot of top U20s not released (a good thing honestly, as it means their clubs find them important to keep).

Berchimas maybe, but the reason he’s exciting (young guy playing up some levels) is also the reason you might not see so much from him this tournament.

Pedro Soma is also likely headed from a Spanish club you’ve never heard of to a Spanish club you have heard of this summer, so we’ll see how that develops.
 

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Medina is the big prospect on this team, the one who is expected to go far, right? I haven't really followed.
The Scuffed guys had Marcus Chairez on recently, and Medina was one of several players that he talked about. Overall he talked about how young the US team is relative to most others and he was quick to point out that many players in this age group are not on the roster for various reasons. The big name is Nimfasha Berchimas who didn’t start against Jamaica (I turned it off at 4-0 so he might’ve come on later). He’s an electric 16 year old playing up a few age groups. Soma, Tsakiris, Raines and a few others got shouts too. My big takeaway is that he thinks Fidel Barajas might return to the fold.

https://scuffed.simplecast.com/episodes/514-the-mens-u20-roster-with-marcus-chairez
 
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U20s tonight: Cuba vs. US

10pm ET on FS2 and TUDN

Cuba tied Costa Rica in their first game. I don't know if that means Cuba is slightly better than they normally are, if Costa Rica is bad this cycle, or if it was a random fluke.

Regardless, this game should be a straightforward W and will allow the US to cruise through the final game of the group and rotate the squad to set up the QF however Nsien wants it.
 

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Let’s goooo, Sergioooo!

I’ve been hoping Oregel would get some run with the Fire this season, at least some cameos. Justin Reynolds just got his debut, so we may be approaching the part of the Fire season where bleeding in youth becomes a priority.
 

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could be offside, but nice to see the set piece coaching has improved from the top all the way down the pipeline

edit: aaaaand should've been a second, what a through ball for the breakaway

edit2: aaaaaand there's the second. What a smash.
 
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All games were postponed for today after a police officer was murdered outside of one of the hotels in which players were staying. The rest of the tournament is being moved from Celaya to Irapuato and León.
 

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Golazo from Niko Tsakiris to give the US a 1-0 lead over Costa Rica in the first half of the final group stage game. The field at this new tournament location is a true CONCACAF cow patch.
 

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Quiet thread today. I was unable to watch the quarterfinal match against Guatemala, but the US won 1-0 off a goal from Ruben Ramos and a late penalty save from Adam Beaudry.

From all accounts, the US did not play very well, but gutted out a win. This was the game that really mattered; all semifinalists qualify for the U20 World Cup next year. In the next round, the US will meet the winner of Panama and Canada.
 

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Young Berchimas golazo put the US ahead of Mexico 1-0 in the U-20 CONCACAF championship finals. Mexico have had a couple of chances to score.

edit: “The Chant” has made an appearance
 

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Mexico deservedly ties it up.

nevermind, goal called off by VAR

Now tied in the 7th minute of added time (when only five were out on the board).
 
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This ref made the mistake of handing yellows out like Halloween candy. Now that he’s got both whole teams on yellows, he can’t give out obvious yellows. As long as he’s consistent, I guess it can be ok? Silly though.
 

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Pedro Soma is getting close to joining Barcelona. I assume he will be at Barca Athletic in the 3rd tier. This club rotated Marc Bernal, Marc Casado, and Pau Prim last season, and now all 3 are with the big club (admittedly Prim is there because of the Bernal injury). Even if he can’t cut it at Barcelona, it can still be a great move because it’s a heavily scouted stepping stone club.

View: https://twitter.com/jaumemarcet/status/1829146639132688436?s=46&t=XvGOrrWIyL-5CHVVL_0JYQ


This coupled with the rumor that a striker from Charleston Battery is off to Castellón warms my Spanish heart, even if LDLT is likely moving on. I know Soma was already in Spanish soccer, but keeping him there and moving up the latter is great news, especially since he’s already nearby.