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Rosenthal reporting Franmil Reyes and Logan Allen to Cleveland, if so great get for them.
 

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Cleveland got Franmil, Puig, and Logan Allen. wow...Good for them indeed. If Syndergaard nets something similar, I'm not sure who has what it takes.
 

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the Reds giving up their top prospect for 1 1/3 years of Bauer seems to be a huge mistake. there has to be more to this
 

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SD gave up Reyes and Allen for Trammell? That will be a fascinating one to watch progress, that seems like a ton even if Reyes is defensively challenged, Allen is still really young. Trammell is young too (22 in September) but he has been pretty bad this year in AA (.688 OPS), Allen had some success at least in the bigs already.
 

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This doesn’t make Cleveland better now though.
They had no DH and now they have the wrecking ball known as Franmil (some might remember I wanted NY to move Andujar for him and Margot in the winter, and then sign Machado, before SD thought they had a shot at him, or Moustakas).
 

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Rosenthal:

"What we know:

#Reds give up Taylor Trammell, Yasiel Puig; get Trevor Bauer.
#Indians give up Bauer; get Puig, Franmil Reyes and Logan Allen.
#Padres give up Reyes and Allen, get Trammell.

Not known if other pieces involved."
 

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I love that deal for CLE, not only did they get two guys for the middle of the order, they got a possible long-term Bauer replacement in Allen. The Padres must be getting more.
 

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What in the WORLD are the Padres doing there?
The only thing I can think is that they couldn't play both Renfroe and Franmil in a non-DH lineup and I think Trammell doesn't have to be on the 40 man yet this offseason. Today's 40 man overview in Fangraphs has this sentence: "You can see how trading one of the big league corner outfielders, like Hunter Renfroe or Franmil Reyes, would make it easier to roster Jorge Ona in the offseason."

Throwing in Allen too seems like way too much, agreed, maybe the whole trade isn't reported yet.

 

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SD gave up Reyes and Allen for Trammell? That will be a fascinating one to watch progress, that seems like a ton even if Reyes is defensively challenged, Allen is still really young. Trammell is young too (22 in September) but he has been pretty bad this year in AA (.688 OPS), Allen had some success at least in the bigs already.
That's actually an above average line for the Southern League. The SL and the EL have been strangely low offense; the SL doesn't have 20 guys with an OPS over .800 even if you set a cutoff at 150 ABs.
 

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The only thing I can think is that they couldn't play both Renfroe and Franmil in a non-DH lineup and I think Trammell doesn't have to be on the 40 man yet this offseason. Today's 40 man overview in Fangraphs has this sentence: "You can see how trading one of the big league corner outfielders, like Hunter Renfroe or Franmil Reyes, would make it easier to roster Jorge Ona in the offseason."

Throwing in Allen too seems like way too much, agreed, maybe the whole trade isn't reported yet.

The other thing is Trammell is a potential legit CF, which they needed more than the cornucopia of corner OF they had (Reyes, Renfroe, Myers, Naylor, Cordero). Jankowski is okay for a 4th OF if it came to that, and while Margot has come on lately, he's still lacking. It's also why the Padres and Mets were never really a fit, since both are weak in CF but have a lot of corner OF.
 

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God is this a good deal for Cleveland. Fills an immediate need at DH, especially, with Franmil, plus the long game Trammell provides. Consider the following: Of AL teams, the Indians at DH were 14th (both to Chicago) in wOBA at .241 and wRC+ at 70. Finally, Bauers gets less ABs, plus Luplow and his .229 wOBA against RHP can ride some pine for Puig.
 

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God is this a good deal for Cleveland. Fills an immediate need at DH, especially, with Franmil, plus the long game The Franimal provides. Consider the following: Of AL teams, the Indians at DH were 14th (both to Chicago) in wOBA at .241 and wRC+ at 70. Finally, Bauers gets less ABs, plus Luplow and his .229 wOBA against RHP can ride some pine for Puig.
Plus this fixes their lineup a bit as they can move Ramirez back up to the #2 slot, Reyes slots in at cleanup, Puig hits 5th and all of a sudden their 1-5 is pretty damn good:

Lindor SS
Ramirez 3B
Santana 1B
Reyes DH
Puig RF
Kipnis 2B
Perez C
LF platoon (Bauers/Luplow)
Mercado CF
 

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I don't think Houston or New York would have been able to provide that much talent. We can't be upset at this. Even if we could, Cleveland has to prefer sending him to a non-contender. Just big big trade all around for them. This is what the Mets should be doing.
 

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I don't think Houston or New York would have been able to provide that much talent. We can't be upset at this. Even if we could, Cleveland has to prefer sending him to a non-contender. Just big big trade all around for them. This is what the Mets should be doing.
I said since last winter that if CLE moved him, it would almost certainly be to the NL.

Diaz just hit McCann maybe in the head trying to close Syndergaard's game, 2-1, 1st and 2nd, two outs.

Fake edit: 99, maybe to the shoulder and then the face like the one Voit took recently, yikes.
 

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Source: #Braves acquire Chris Martin from #Rangers for Kolby Allard.
--Ken Rosenthal

Lost in the big deal is this deal, which is a steal for the Rangers. Allard's taken a step back this year, but he's still only 21 pitching okay at AAA. And to get a prospect like him for a 2 month rental RP is absolutely highway robbery, if for no other reason than for gambling on the upside. Martin's 33 and having a career year. Great job by the Rangers cashing him in.
 

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God is this a good deal for Cleveland. Fills an immediate need at DH, especially, with Franmil, plus the long game The Franimal provides. Consider the following: Of AL teams, the Indians at DH were 14th (both to Chicago) in wOBA at .241 and wRC+ at 70. Finally, Bauers gets less ABs, plus Luplow and his .229 wOBA against RHP can ride some pine for Puig.
Love this deal for the Indians, especially since Bauer pretty much cemented his way out of town on Sunday.
 

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Joe Girardi thinks the Reds will flip Bauer and the Prospects365 guy thinks Taylor Trammell will be routed onto the Mets as part of a Syndergaard deal. 16 hours to go!!
 

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Dan Szymborski at Fangraphs sees the logic in all three sides, really a fascinating deal all around.

 

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Even if they don't and they love Trammell (and Keith Law did just make him his 14th top prospect in all of MLB), Reyes was a DH in a league where they don't have one and Allen was one of 8 45 level pitching prospects they have, plus Trammell doesn't have to go on the 40 man until after 2020.
 

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I’ll add to the chorus that can’t figure out how a major league established power hitter, a starting pitching prospect who’s reached the majors at 22, and a live lottery ticket in rookie ball, is the cost of a AA centerfield prospect, no matter how good.

Unless Trammell is supposed to be the next Mike Trout, I don’t see what the Padres are doing here.
 

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I’ll add to the chorus that can’t figure out how a major league established power hitter, a starting pitching prospect who’s reached the majors at 22, and a live lottery ticket in rookie ball, is the cost of a AA centerfield prospect, no matter how good.

Unless Trammell is supposed to be the next Mike Trout, I don’t see what the Padres are doing here.
And if I might add to this...Reyes is just 24 years old, not arbitration eligible until 2022 and FA eligible in 2025. If San Diego doesn't see him fitting into their plans that's one thing, but that there wasn't a better haul available for Reyes is pretty questionable. Perhaps Trammell does get flipped for Syndergaard, but the fact that this hasn't happened yet means it that deal wasn't already in the works and IMO was a pretty significant leap of faith by San Diego.
 

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Guys who are only DHs have limited markets, SD has been trying to move Reyes since the winter.
 

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This kind of smells like the Britton move. They just want to make 5-6 inning games. I admire their willingness to build their team differently.
 

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This kind of smells like the Britton move. They just want to make 5-6 inning games. I admire their willingness to build their team differently.
I think if they get another late inning reliever type plus Betances comes back that they really could go with an all opener strategy if/when they make the postseason. Green/Kahnle alternate as openers, your 4 SPs try to cover 3-4 innings, then the rest of the pen takes it from there. FWIW, NY is undefeated when using an opener so far this season (8-0).
 

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No way to really spin it other than failure if a starter is not acquired. Could it work out? Absolutely. Should not be the case though.
 

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I think if they get another late inning reliever type plus Betances comes back that they really could go with an all opener strategy if/when they make the postseason. Green/Kahnle alternate as openers, your 4 SPs try to cover 3-4 innings, then the rest of the pen takes it from there. FWIW, NY is undefeated when using an opener so far this season (8-0).
Are you at all worried that Betances might not come back or come back effective? I've been monitoring him all year as he's on my fantasy IL, and he seems to just be having a lot of setbacks and feels like it might become a lost year. He's now not scheduled to start throwing again for a few weeks. Feels similar to the way that Glasnow's injury has strung out and the longer that keeps happening the less likely to get something out of them this season.
 

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Are you at all worried that Betances might not come back or come back effective? I've been monitoring him all year as he's on my fantasy IL, and he seems to just be having a lot of setbacks and feels like it might become a lost year. He's now not scheduled to start throwing again for a few weeks. Feels similar to the way that Glasnow's injury has strung out and the longer that keeps happening the less likely to get something out of them this season.
I mean, until he is actually back and effective, I will doubt that he will be, but saying that I feel pretty confident he'll be back and effective (less so for Severino). FWIW, Betances is not on a mound yet but is throwing from 90 feet right now before NY's afternoon game.
 

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Told Noah Syndergaard was pulled off the trade market last night. He is staying with the #Mets-Joel Sherman
 

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Well, at least that means the Stros won't get him. It's sounding more and more like the best we're gonna do is Robbie Ray and I'd be okay with that for a Frazier package.
 

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Well, at least that means the Stros won't get him. It's sounding more and more like the best we're gonna do is Robbie Ray and I'd be okay with that for a Frazier package.
I liked the Ray/Archie Bradley package that was rumored yesterday, Bradley looked good last night.