Correa or Bust, or, How Much is that SS in the Window, the One With the Questionable Back?
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It’s a ton — but also, that’s only a $26.9 AAV, which seems pretty manageable.
Love him or hate him if you are baseball player he does his job as a agent.
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This offer looks even more canny in retrospect, 11/350 vs the 13/350 he signed for plus some very generous opt-outs minus the no-trade, think he/Boras would have definitely gone for this if offered by BOS.
When the Correa contract ends, he will be 83 years old. That’s a lot of early bird dinners
Eh, in 10 years there will be 80 million a year contracts.
Just as easily could end up a relative bargain.
And I fear that AAV manipulation is creating a time bomb for the next two rounds of CBA negotiations. I know they are 5 and 10 years out, but I think it's going to be interesting to see the splits among owners, with one group swamped under a series of dead weight contracts and begging for CBT relief while another group is pissed at the way they've been effectively priced out of the free agent market. Getting 23 owners to agree on a CBA may be an impossible task of cat herding.
13 years is downright ridiculous. I've had enough of overly long contracts like this.
It hurts that this is coming from the Giants, my second favorite team (after the BoSox).
As for Correa, I just can't bring myself to like him. He's talented, but he doesn't seem likeable, and he didn't handle Houston's cheating scandal very well.
It hurts that this is coming from the Giants, my second favorite team (after the BoSox).
As for Correa, I just can't bring myself to like him. He's talented, but he doesn't seem likeable, and he didn't handle Houston's cheating scandal very well.
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16 years ago, Alfonso Soriano (8/$136M) got the 3rd biggest FA contract in history, behind A-Rod (10/$252) and Manny (8/$160).
Today the top 3 are Judge (9/$360), Correa (11/$350), Harper (13/$330).
I mean $22 million AAV isn't that bad, but given that Swanson's 2021 is so far outside his career norm, I really hope the Sox don't bite.
Oh well. Come on back, José.
At what point does it make sense to let the present vs. future value of money (i.e. inflation and depreciation) work for you when dealing with long term contracts? The marginal cost of these contracts is going to be a lot less when the final dollar is paid, but the team will likely have extracted that value at the front, when it costs more.
No billionaire owner is priced out of the market, except by their own choice. That said, I’m curious if the cheapskate teams try and leverage this issue via Manfred before it gets to the CBA.
For a guy with a better history of health, maybe. I’m glad the Sox aren’t on the hook for this one.
I wonder if this ownership group will ever sign a top of the market deal again. They have no appetite for the years. I suspect they’d happily match or even exceed the AAV for much shorter term but given how much they’ve paid over the years to players not to play for us, it makes sense that they wouldn’t go for deals like this.
At some point though they need to start signing their young talent to big early extensions. Something to leverage their money into talent retention/acquisition.
At some point though they need to start signing their young talent to big early extensions. Something to leverage their money into talent retention/acquisition.
So here's what I hope. I hope they get a good stopgap until Mayer comes up, and I hope Mayer is the absolute real deal. And then after like his second season with the Sox, I hope they sign him to a 15 year deal at like $20 million per year, locking him up for basically his entire career. It would be way under what he likely would end up getting on the FA market, but for a guy who would then be in his very early 20s, still under team control for a long time (and thus free agency would still be a long way off), it would guarantee him $300 million.
EDIT: Looks like I was writing this at the exact same time you were, @Jed Zeppelin - looks like we're on the same page here.
EDIT: Looks like I was writing this at the exact same time you were, @Jed Zeppelin - looks like we're on the same page here.
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Maybe just try dividing it by 26, for the number of players on the roster.
The bottom line is that the bottom payroll teams could engage the market to improve their teams, and they choose not to. The rest of the league shouldn’t be colluding to help prop up their poor product.
For San Francisco's sake, it's a good thing that back problems aren't a thing that chronically affects a person.
I suspect they know that. And now that there's actually young talent coming up, I also think we'll start to see it. More "Atlanta with more money" (or "dodgers with less") than the "Tampa Bay north" that some have described.
Looks like we can expect to be TBN for a couple years until those players get here, at least in the free agent market.
At least when it comes to players looking for 10+ year deals that extend to their 40s. (I dont think that's close to TBN, but that's a different discussion).
So there is obviously precedent for this if you look at the not so distant past of the NHL - The long term / cap avoiding deals were retroactively punished and "recapture penalties" were created to prevent some of the more blatant shenanigans. The biggest difference is that there is a salary floor in the NHL so there is a market for trading those dead weight contracts that can be put on LTIR.
Theoretically. He is a 10/5 guy and may not be interested in joining the Sox, but can’t imagine he would cost a ton depending on if the Sox want a giants to take on salary; BTV has him a slightly negative value. Maybe someone like a Hernandez who is likely to get DFA’d?
I think the Giants wouldn't do him like that, and then there is the 10-and-5. If they're interested in getting rid of Tommy La Stella or J.D. Davis, I'd be kind of interested there.
This is a great point. There is a lot of competition for entertainment bucks but MLB is doing fine and as a cartel they control their territories. MLB has not expanded in almost 25 years and though they might add two teams soonish, they're not going to put another team in SF; in fact one could leave the Bay Area. So that's a huge wealthy market that the Giants have cornered for summer sports entertainment. Same thing with lots of other cities including Boston.
Teams also know that if there is some local economic crash that destroys their bottom line they can get bailed out by revenue sharing. There isn't really a ton of risk to this kind of deal unless you have a few of them and they're taking up half your luxury tax limit or something.
But that’s going to be every elite FA unless the market resets. Tampa Bay beat us out for Efflin, after all.
I'm not exactly sure what the Giants would be doing to Crawford. With the 10 and 5 rights, they'd have to get his approval for a deal. If they tried to trade him, I would imagine it would be with his support. If he doesn't want to leave SF, he won't, and the Giants wouldn't be doing him like anything.
Probably moot anyway sense the rest of their IF is pretty weak. They'll probably move him to 3B or 2B.
